Happened at Sunday's Steelers game:
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Mark Madden and Jim Wexell get physical
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Wait a sec- two members of the media have a physical confrontation after a ballgame and you DON'T think that's news?
I'm surprised it didn't get more attention. Then again, perhaps James Harrison's $75,000 hit on a Brownie was enough violence for the sports scribes of the Steel City.
Not really.
I don't see in the story where Madden was physical.
I see it as another attempt of Bob Smizik to poke fun at Madden - from the over 300 pound remark to having to retract the portion of "Madden complaining to Clear Channels".
So a radio host got pushed over. It would be newsworthy here if Madden somehow worked it into his show.
I don't see in the story where Madden was physical.
I see it as another attempt of Bob Smizik to poke fun at Madden - from the over 300 pound remark to having to retract the portion of "Madden complaining to Clear Channels".
So a radio host got pushed over. It would be newsworthy here if Madden somehow worked it into his show.
And notice how Smizik is the only one to post this "newsworthy story"
The tv stations and newspapers didn't find it to be important enough to report.
(nevermind the fact that he was in such a rush to get it out, he ended up having to make two corrections. Way to make sure all the facts were correct Bob.)
Smizik infatuation with Madden over the years is really weird.
The tv stations and newspapers didn't find it to be important enough to report.
(nevermind the fact that he was in such a rush to get it out, he ended up having to make two corrections. Way to make sure all the facts were correct Bob.)
Smizik infatuation with Madden over the years is really weird.
Madden and Wexell are members of the media. There's no denying that.
If you wish to comment on their talent, you're free to. But they are members of the media.
Per Smizik, he writes about media types because that is his job. To my knowledge no other newspaper has a writer covering the sports media in this area.
Mark Madden is a controversial figure and he brings lots of attention to himself. To argue that Smizik, or any writer covering radio and TV, should look the other way regarding an instance like this is laughable, especially when Wexell and Madden have a "history," so to speak.
Though this example is on a larger scale, when Brent Musberger and Jimmy "The Greek" Snyder got into a physical altercation in 1980 it was major news that is still remembered today. The incident even led off ESPN's "30 For 30" biographical documentary on Snyder this year. Do you honestly think THAT wasn't news?
You're really far off here, Knisha1.
If you wish to comment on their talent, you're free to. But they are members of the media.
Per Smizik, he writes about media types because that is his job. To my knowledge no other newspaper has a writer covering the sports media in this area.
Mark Madden is a controversial figure and he brings lots of attention to himself. To argue that Smizik, or any writer covering radio and TV, should look the other way regarding an instance like this is laughable, especially when Wexell and Madden have a "history," so to speak.
Though this example is on a larger scale, when Brent Musberger and Jimmy "The Greek" Snyder got into a physical altercation in 1980 it was major news that is still remembered today. The incident even led off ESPN's "30 For 30" biographical documentary on Snyder this year. Do you honestly think THAT wasn't news?
You're really far off here, Knisha1.
Pratte4Life said:
So is the guy who drives the truck that delivers newspapers. So is the guy who changes the light bulbs in the studio. You're absolutely correct that Madden and Wexell are members of the media. They work in sports, aka "the sandbox". Madden and Wexell are to the news media what the Bearded Lady and the Elastic Man are to the circus. They're side show attractions.
I'll grant you that there are sports reporters worthy of respect. Madden and Wexler are not on that list.
Pratte4Life said:
In a world where Lindsey Lohan's blood alcohol level is news, or Brittany Spears can snatch a headline by forgetting to wear her knickers, I suppose you could say that Musberger and Snyder's altercation was equally as newsworthy.
Huh?Pratte4Life said:
Uh, Talk- the Musberger/Jimmy The Greek fight, which was huge news (for years Snyder couldn't do an interview without someone bringing it up- be it a sportswriter or David Letterman)- occurred before Lohan and Spears were born.
Pratte4Life said:
1. When the events occurred is irrelevant. There have been stupid stories about celebrities that are given far more media coverage than they deserve ever since modern news media came along. There were stupid celebrity stories back before World War II. They got a lot of coverage at the time, and no one remembers them today.
2. Even though the Musberger/Snyder fight was a stupid piece of celebrity gossip mongering, it at least involved reasonably well-known national figures. Madden and Wexell are minor figures. Even among Pittsburgh sports "media personalities", they're barely second tier.
Parttimer said:
So he's the biggest duck in a little puddle. Sports talk is such a popular format that one of the two sports talk stations in town is closing up shop. Saying that Madden is the top sports talk host in Pittsburgh in 2010 is like saying that Moe was the smartest Stooge. That's only a small step above saying that Sal Patitucci has the highest rated Italian language show in Pittsburgh.
It's not like Madden is the play-by-play announcer of any major league sports team. He's a jerk who was just good enough to hang on when other sports talk hosts moved on to bigger and better things. He's still second-tier compared to first-tier people like Hilgrove.
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Talk_Dude said:
Can you tell me who's in the first tier, so I can understand how the market's dominant sports talker over the last dozen or so years fits into the tier system?
I can't stand his act, but he delivers bigger shares than anyone ever has doing sports talk in this market.
Actually, Madden does a combination sports talk and music show.
There is no denying that Madden has a presence in Pittsburgh. He even can be remembered for being on the national scale for his wrestling work and national weekend radio show.
But he isn't on the level of Musberger or Jimmy the Greek.
It's not his job.
From the top of his blog:
Community Voices blogs offer a cross-section of opinions and interests. The bloggers are not employees of the Post-Gazette, and their views are their own.
I stick with the opinion that Smizik just enjoys writing negatively about Madden. Substitute Joe Starkey for Madden in the story, and it never gets mentioned anywhere.
But he isn't on the level of Musberger or Jimmy the Greek.
It's not his job.
From the top of his blog:
Community Voices blogs offer a cross-section of opinions and interests. The bloggers are not employees of the Post-Gazette, and their views are their own.
I stick with the opinion that Smizik just enjoys writing negatively about Madden. Substitute Joe Starkey for Madden in the story, and it never gets mentioned anywhere.
apostate said:
The first tier sports people are the ones who actually cover games and do play-by-play or analysis during games. There are lots and lots and lots of people who'll never miss a game of their favorite sport (or sports) who never listen to sports talk. So, those people who get the mega-audiences for their actual game coverage are the first tier. Back in the day, Myron Cope both covered games and also did a talk show. He was first-tier because of his work on Steeler broadcasts, and that carried over to his work on sports talk. I'd also include anyone who is a TV sports anchor who also does a talk show.
Those who only host sports talk shows are the second tier. The sports fans who listen to sports talk may know about them, but for every sports fan who listens to sports talk shows, there are a dozen who only listen to the games themselves, plus the pre- and post- game shows but never the kind of stuff Madden does.
No matter how often someone points out the obvious that Madden is the top sports talk show host, it makes no difference. Anyone who only hosts a sports talk show and who doesn't do play-by-play or analysis of actual major league teams like the Steelers, Penguins, or Pirates (OK, calling the Pirates "major league" is a stretch), or even top NCAA teams like Pitt or Penn State, is second tier. As I said earlier, Madden is the biggest duck in a little puddle.
So by your definition, Tunch Ilkin is first tier but Stan Savran isn't?
Or is Savran first-tier by virtue of the fact you'll occassionally find him behind the mike of, say, the Washington Wild Things for television broadcasts (remember when Jenna Morasca was a roving reporter in the ballpark for those games?).
Maybe you don't listent to sports talk but that's like saying because I don't listen to hip-hop any urban contemporary DJ is second-tier.
But guys- the head coach of the Pittsburgh Steelers mentioned the incident at the beginning of his press conference. Even if the media WAS looking the other way regarding this incident for a couple of days out of respect to both Wexell and Madden, then at that point somebody had to come forward and merely explain what Mike Tomlin was talking about.
Obviously, as the lone sports media reporter in Pittsburgh, Bob Smizik was the logical person to do so. It's his job. To debate this is akin to debating that it's Ed Bouchette's job to cover what goes on with Ben Roethlisberger.
By the way, my little birdies (it's a talk show reference- you wouldn't understand) tell me there won't be any disciplinary action regarding this incident.
Or is Savran first-tier by virtue of the fact you'll occassionally find him behind the mike of, say, the Washington Wild Things for television broadcasts (remember when Jenna Morasca was a roving reporter in the ballpark for those games?).
Maybe you don't listent to sports talk but that's like saying because I don't listen to hip-hop any urban contemporary DJ is second-tier.
But guys- the head coach of the Pittsburgh Steelers mentioned the incident at the beginning of his press conference. Even if the media WAS looking the other way regarding this incident for a couple of days out of respect to both Wexell and Madden, then at that point somebody had to come forward and merely explain what Mike Tomlin was talking about.
Obviously, as the lone sports media reporter in Pittsburgh, Bob Smizik was the logical person to do so. It's his job. To debate this is akin to debating that it's Ed Bouchette's job to cover what goes on with Ben Roethlisberger.
By the way, my little birdies (it's a talk show reference- you wouldn't understand) tell me there won't be any disciplinary action regarding this incident.
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