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fred flintstone
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And they want to give this guy a chance for a third strike!
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And they want to give this guy a chance for a third strike!
Come on Fred!
The morning show that was concelled, Morning Sedition, was pretty good and getting better and AAR kept Riley who is/was just terrible- that was their mistake. Marc was thrown out but he is actually good- one of AAR's better performers. The LA station that played Marc was supposed to be set up for syndication of the program but something happened and it never went through. The station was also constantly delaying/canceling the program for Basketball. You know how we liberals love the basketballs. Typical radio biz stuff. This is not an example of Marc having chances and blowing them, but rather of typical radio mismanagement by AAR and Clear Channel- a shock to no one familiar with either organization. It is a shock to me that LA has no sports channels upon which to play Basketball games. If only people had little electronic boxes in their living rooms that played these games and they could actually watch them. Wow, wouldn't that be great! They could even put them in Bars and stuff- call it tele-vision er something.
AAR is under new management (Goldberg hated Marc) that is looking for (cheap) replacements for Janeane, Franken, and Springer. They appear to be interested in Marc for Janeane's position on Majority Report (all access appears to be telegraphing this in its statement). An excellent fit IMHO. Rumors are that Franken's spot goes to Hartmann and Springer's replacement still remains in question, though I think it will be Jay Marvin who subs for Springer regularly and is currently a Clear Channel property occupying Springer's timeslot.
The morning show that was concelled, Morning Sedition, was pretty good and getting better and AAR kept Riley who is/was just terrible- that was their mistake. Marc was thrown out but he is actually good- one of AAR's better performers. The LA station that played Marc was supposed to be set up for syndication of the program but something happened and it never went through. The station was also constantly delaying/canceling the program for Basketball. You know how we liberals love the basketballs. Typical radio biz stuff. This is not an example of Marc having chances and blowing them, but rather of typical radio mismanagement by AAR and Clear Channel- a shock to no one familiar with either organization. It is a shock to me that LA has no sports channels upon which to play Basketball games. If only people had little electronic boxes in their living rooms that played these games and they could actually watch them. Wow, wouldn't that be great! They could even put them in Bars and stuff- call it tele-vision er something.
AAR is under new management (Goldberg hated Marc) that is looking for (cheap) replacements for Janeane, Franken, and Springer. They appear to be interested in Marc for Janeane's position on Majority Report (all access appears to be telegraphing this in its statement). An excellent fit IMHO. Rumors are that Franken's spot goes to Hartmann and Springer's replacement still remains in question, though I think it will be Jay Marvin who subs for Springer regularly and is currently a Clear Channel property occupying Springer's timeslot.
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I agree with you about Reilly but I'm not as big a fan of Maron as apparently you are. I admit the chemisty between the two wasn't good but I got sick of hearing about Maron's stand-up gigs and the midtown restaurant where had lunch the day before.
Majority Report might be a logical choice, although I can't see Maron with Seder - oil and water.
I like Jay Marvin and his Denver show is OK. I think with a good producing staff (something he seems to lack now) he could be an improvement over Jerry. Still he will face a very uphill contest with Stephanie Miller. Clear Channel seems to be competing with itself but maybe with so much of their radio operations in Cincinnati they may have learned something from P&G (who wrote the book on competing with yourself - you always win).
Majority Report might be a logical choice, although I can't see Maron with Seder - oil and water.
I like Jay Marvin and his Denver show is OK. I think with a good producing staff (something he seems to lack now) he could be an improvement over Jerry. Still he will face a very uphill contest with Stephanie Miller. Clear Channel seems to be competing with itself but maybe with so much of their radio operations in Cincinnati they may have learned something from P&G (who wrote the book on competing with yourself - you always win).
I am not a big fan of Marvin's but if AAR can't get Steph he makes the most sense to replace. Ray is already on the radio and in the timeslot. If it only adds the XM feed and the AAR internet feed to his listenership it would still be a great leap forward for him.
I have heard Seder and Maron together and they are not oil and water IMHO, they are gasoline and fire. Interesting radio to say the least!
I have heard Seder and Maron together and they are not oil and water IMHO, they are gasoline and fire. Interesting radio to say the least!
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robbbc said:
Why, for Pete's sake, would Steph want to sign with AAR. She doesn't need AAR. She is doing better without them. I just don't get this attachment to single-source, one-size-fits-all progressive talk radio that keeps popping up on this board.
Fred: Relax!
I agree, Steph doesn't need AAR. On the other hand, AAR could really use Steph- however I don't think it will happen. They should try, that's all. I also agree you don't need one size fits all programming- I'd like to see folks like Johnny Angel get a chance and AAR would never go that way IMHO.
I agree, Steph doesn't need AAR. On the other hand, AAR could really use Steph- however I don't think it will happen. They should try, that's all. I also agree you don't need one size fits all programming- I'd like to see folks like Johnny Angel get a chance and AAR would never go that way IMHO.
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No offense, Rob...
From time to time people have posted that Steph, even Big Ed, should sign with AAR. They (not you) seem to feel everybody should be with AAR and even believe all progressive talk stations should carry the same programming. I've even some complain about stations pre-empting AAR for local shows or for Steph or Ed.
With all due respect to these people, radio is still a local medium. Local is what sets broadcast radio apart from satellite radio. IMHO AAR was right to see progressive talk as a distinct format. They were wrong to regard stations as repeaters and AAR as a national service. AAR is a service to local stations. I think, in the long run, the Drobnys and the other backers of progressive talk made a HUGE mistake in stopping their support for Democracy Radio and DR's plan to develop local hosts and local programming. Local radio in morning drive is still the backbone of radio.
Good programs are what draw an audience (not ideology). Good programs come from competition. Stephanie versus Jerry gives progressive talk stations a stronger entry in late mornings than was the case when AAR started with Unfiltered. What AAR needs to do is dump Jerry and counter-program Stephanie; to give stations a real choice in any given daypart. They waited too long to drop Unfiltered and then responded with a me-too show and a host with too much trash TV baggage.
From time to time people have posted that Steph, even Big Ed, should sign with AAR. They (not you) seem to feel everybody should be with AAR and even believe all progressive talk stations should carry the same programming. I've even some complain about stations pre-empting AAR for local shows or for Steph or Ed.
With all due respect to these people, radio is still a local medium. Local is what sets broadcast radio apart from satellite radio. IMHO AAR was right to see progressive talk as a distinct format. They were wrong to regard stations as repeaters and AAR as a national service. AAR is a service to local stations. I think, in the long run, the Drobnys and the other backers of progressive talk made a HUGE mistake in stopping their support for Democracy Radio and DR's plan to develop local hosts and local programming. Local radio in morning drive is still the backbone of radio.
Good programs are what draw an audience (not ideology). Good programs come from competition. Stephanie versus Jerry gives progressive talk stations a stronger entry in late mornings than was the case when AAR started with Unfiltered. What AAR needs to do is dump Jerry and counter-program Stephanie; to give stations a real choice in any given daypart. They waited too long to drop Unfiltered and then responded with a me-too show and a host with too much trash TV baggage.
...Jay Marvin on Air America in something more than a fill-in capacity? Considering Marvin only returned to WLS in 1999 to help screw Mike Malloy out of his gig -- and then put his guts up for collateral for turning rightey and obtaining a midday slot for four years after that -- they'd more than likely have to dump Malloy first. I don't see that happening with the Drobnys involved with AAR at all...
fred flintstone said:
I think XM and HD Radio may eventually change some of this attitude, if only because there will be so many additional choices and turnkey seems to satisfy a lot of listeners to the new mediums anyway. As we keep adding more choices, a lot of listeners are going to pick quality over where the microphone is at. If you have a great national host and a mediocre local host, you will go for the national talk host if they are talking about the same topics. A lot of the local hosts don't seem to spend a lot of time on local issues - they just repeat the national topics.
Unfiltered wasn't bad when it focused on comedy and banter, but then during the 04 elections it was a parade of guests running for Congress and morning after morning it was politicians reading their platforms. It doesn't matter what party you belong to, listening to politicians drone on is not compelling radio. When they had fun with it, Unfiltered was a good show. Stephanie is the result of 70% fun, 30% hard politics discussions (mostly from Jim and his conspiracy theories and the occasional guest.)
Marc Maron said this today in an e-mail message to those of us on his list:
Maron here. For those of you who didn't know or I have lost touch with. Air America Radio has pulled the plug on The Marc Maron Show before it was even syndicated. The wanted me to return to NYC but we couldn't agree on terms. So, no NYC, no syndicated show.
That said, I am hitting the road a bit in preparation for a Comedy Central Presents special taping in NYC in August. I'll give you details as I find them out.
I am in talks with some radio syndicators and streaming outlets. I'll let you know where those lead.
In other words, he never was syndicated. He did a local show in Los Angeles for Clear Channel's KTLK, which was cancelled. AAR offered to syndicate him if he would return to New York and he refused. Or at least that's his story.
Maron here. For those of you who didn't know or I have lost touch with. Air America Radio has pulled the plug on The Marc Maron Show before it was even syndicated. The wanted me to return to NYC but we couldn't agree on terms. So, no NYC, no syndicated show.
That said, I am hitting the road a bit in preparation for a Comedy Central Presents special taping in NYC in August. I'll give you details as I find them out.
I am in talks with some radio syndicators and streaming outlets. I'll let you know where those lead.
In other words, he never was syndicated. He did a local show in Los Angeles for Clear Channel's KTLK, which was cancelled. AAR offered to syndicate him if he would return to New York and he refused. Or at least that's his story.
I liked listening to Maron when he had the morning show on AAR. However, his late night show in LA was terrible. All he did was talk about stand up comedy and interview other comedians. I think he knew his days were numbered and was just getting ready for his next gig. Even his farewell email had a plug for his wife's upcoming comedy performance.
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