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AAR FANS KNOCKING COLMES OFF XM IS APPALLING

Thanks 4 yr comments...I'm going to respond to your comments on Colmes only...and my comments are not to you specifically since I don't like to disagree with individual posters who will never agree with me for ideological reasons...furthermore, for every poster like you there are dozens reading who agree with you...so we'll treat this like a talk radio show with dozens of listeners who agree with what you had to say...

> The real venom, of course, is directed to Alan Colmes who is
> essentially considered a Vichy talk show host for his
> collaboration with Fox and Hannity. Franken's last book
> solidified that, and a lot of AA fans are working hard to
> get Colmes booted off "their" station, particularly on XM.

what they are doing is appalling... Colmes is one of the longest and most successful and respected liberal commentators. I don't know anything about this Franken - Colmes issue. These types of things are just another reason that many of us who are left of center or progressives are gradually losing respect for Air America, and are turning our attention to other liberal hosts now *ENTERING* syndication - such as Mark Levine and Doug Basham...

And again, Colmes is on the FOX TV show to be the liberal counterpart to Hannity. Why do liberals expect...for Mr. Colmes to viciously attack Hannity and all the conservative guests? That is not what Colmes was hired to do. And most listeners wouldn't watch it if a liberal host on FOX did tear conservatives apart...

Furthermore, some people here who keep attacking Colmes (including the XM fans) do not understand that when you are evaluating a liberal *RADIO* host who has other media activities, you generally look at the host's ability to get ratings and revenue on *RADIO,* since radio is a very different medium than TV or the print media. You may need to look at the political activities that the host may be involved with, because they may be unethical or a conflict of interest. For example...if a prospective host has a BLOG with inappropirate content, they may be asked to take it down or remove the material before going on the air.

In this case, Colmes has a 3 hour radio show that has absolutely no connection to Sean Hannity. Who cares what Colmes does on TV - it's not relevant to a topic driven radio show. Furthermore, you also have to look at ratings, revenue, longetivity, awards, etc. etc. etc. and Colmes has been in progressive radio since the late 1980's if not before and widely respected by the industry from both conservatives and liberals. This is unlike Air America, who so far has not earned the respect of many progressives for a variety of reasons including many political viewpoints of the hosts which if I discussed would go beyond the rules of this board (e.g. recall all those the Counterpunch articles, etc.).

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<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by this Tom: on 06/19/05 07:23 AM.</FONT></P>
 
Re: AAR FANS KNOCKING COLMES OFF XM IS APPALLING

> what they are doing is appalling... Colmes is one of the
> longest and most successful and respected liberal
> commentators. I don't know anything about this Franken -
> Colmes issue.

Check out his Lies and Lying Liars book. Amusingly whenever Colmes is mentioned (typically as is "Hannity and Colmes"), Alan's name is always cast in a smaller font size to represent the whisper-like quality of his impotent performance on the TV show with Hannity, which is where the ratings are. Further, the concept of Fox Radio doing liberal talk is on par with matter/anti-matter. Automatically progressives are not going to trust it.

Conservatives did precisely the same thing to Phil Donahue when he joined up with Radio Moscow-commentator Vladimir Posner to do radio and TV show "bridges." He was called a traitor.

I personally don't mind his radio show, but it should be on a different XM Radio channel, not pre-empting AA shows.

> And again, Colmes is on the FOX TV show to be the liberal
> counterpart to Hannity. Why do liberals expect...for Mr.
> Colmes to viciously attack Hannity and all the conservative
> guests? That is not what Colmes was hired to do. And most
> listeners wouldn't watch it if a liberal host on FOX did
> tear conservatives apart...

Actually, it's worse than that. Colmes himself admits he is not permitted to debate Hannity. It's Hannity's show - Colmes is basically a sidekick. However, Hannity is permitted to, and regularly does zap Alan. Frequently, the longest time you really see Alan is when he announces the next commercial break.

This is worse than having no liberal point of view on Fox because it simply emboldens conservatives who believe there is no intellectual and worthy liberal who can stand on his own in a debate. Alan Colmes wasn't even allowed to question Hannity on his assertions back during the Schiavo mess, that one of the expert doctors called in was a Nobel prize nominee. He had to do it on his radio show.

I think most liberals expect Alan Colmes to either demand he receive equal treatment to Sean Hannity and that a true debate format be permitted, or he should recognize he's the TV equivalent of Stepin Fetchit and quit.

> In this case, Colmes has a 3 hour radio show that has
> absolutely no connection to Sean Hannity. Who cares what
> Colmes does on TV - it's not relevant to a topic driven
> radio show.

I may see your point from a business perspective, but the average liberal will not. Colmes made his own bed with his TV show. Now he's a pariah. As Randi Rhodes witnessed herself at the Democratic convention during the 2004 election, when Alan Colmes sat down at a cafeteria table with a half dozen other people already there, they all recognized him and every one of them got up and moved to another table. Alan Colmes ate alone. He has few friends on the left side of the aisle.

That's the way it is these days. If he took on Hannity once on the air and called him a liar or exposed something he said, I suspect this reputation would be erased in about 30 seconds, but until that happens, Alan Colmes is the skunk at the garden party.
 
Re: AAR FANS KNOCKING COLMES OFF XM IS APPALLING

> I think most liberals expect Alan Colmes to either demand he
> receive equal treatment to Sean Hannity and that a true
> debate format be permitted, or he should recognize he's the
> TV equivalent of Stepin Fetchit and quit.

Well put. Colmes' willingness to be the grinning subservient houseboy for Hannity is shameful and inexcusable. And, as I understand it, XM signed an agreement with Air America to convert the channel that Colmes has been on to an "Air America" channel. Colmes isn't on Air America, so Colmes won't be on that channel. How can you blame AAR "fans" for that?
 
Your post if POLITICAL and not re: the BUSINESS OF PROGRESSVE TALK RADIO...

The board is about the business of radio, not politics....Yes, politics do enter into talk radio and we all accidentally get into politics from time to time as you did here and as I did several lines above. As for all these alledged stories you write about Colmes, the stories have absolutely nothing to do with the BUSINESS of talk radio syndication, which is what is meant to be discussed on this forum. And the TV interview show with Hannity has NOTHING to do with the SYNDICATED RADIO PRODUCT that airs coast to coast.

For you to keep going on and on in your posts about alledged bad things about FOX, I would have to ask if you about another liberal host elsewhere. Would you have the same criticisms for THOM HARTMANN, who just signed a contract with Clear Channel to host morning drive at AM 620 KPOJ PORTLAND. I would imagine that some do not listen to Hartmann anymore, do to his associations with Clear Channel, just like you say some do not listen to Colmes do to his association with FOX. However, such reasoning is very provincial. In the talk radio industry, it's all about RATINGS and REVENUE, not ownership (unless there's a bankruptcy, etc.). If you are going to start tracing the ownership of each show to the very top, then I think you would not be tuning into any radio or TV talk show, due to the obvious controversies surrounding media consolitidation.

Finally, I was just informed that Alan just spoke at the New Media
Seminar in New York where he congratulated Air America...I'll see if there's a video link to this speech on-line. I've also heard that Bill Clinton guest hosted Alan's show recently and Cindy Sheehan has been a guest on his show.
I wish I had a chance to hear those shows but in that time slot I rotate between Colmes, Rense, and Malloy...



> > what they are doing is appalling... Colmes is one of the
> > longest and most successful and respected liberal
> > commentators. I don't know anything about this Franken -
> > Colmes issue.
>
> Check out his Lies and Lying Liars book. Amusingly whenever
> Colmes is mentioned (typically as is "Hannity and Colmes"),
> Alan's name is always cast in a smaller font size to
> represent the whisper-like quality of his impotent
> performance on the TV show with Hannity, which is where the
> ratings are. Further, the concept of Fox Radio doing
> liberal talk is on par with matter/anti-matter.
> Automatically progressives are not going to trust it.
>
> Conservatives did precisely the same thing to Phil Donahue
> when he joined up with Radio Moscow-commentator Vladimir
> Posner to do radio and TV show "bridges." He was called a
> traitor.
>
> I personally don't mind his radio show, but it should be on
> a different XM Radio channel, not pre-empting AA shows.
>
> > And again, Colmes is on the FOX TV show to be the liberal
> > counterpart to Hannity. Why do liberals expect...for Mr.
>
> > Colmes to viciously attack Hannity and all the
> conservative
> > guests? That is not what Colmes was hired to do. And
> most
> > listeners wouldn't watch it if a liberal host on FOX did
> > tear conservatives apart...
>
> Actually, it's worse than that. Colmes himself admits he is
> not permitted to debate Hannity. It's Hannity's show -
> Colmes is basically a sidekick. However, Hannity is
> permitted to, and regularly does zap Alan. Frequently, the
> longest time you really see Alan is when he announces the
> next commercial break.
>
> This is worse than having no liberal point of view on Fox
> because it simply emboldens conservatives who believe there
> is no intellectual and worthy liberal who can stand on his
> own in a debate. Alan Colmes wasn't even allowed to
> question Hannity on his assertions back during the Schiavo
> mess, that one of the expert doctors called in was a Nobel
> prize nominee. He had to do it on his radio show.
>
> I think most liberals expect Alan Colmes to either demand he
> receive equal treatment to Sean Hannity and that a true
> debate format be permitted, or he should recognize he's the
> TV equivalent of Stepin Fetchit and quit.
>
> > In this case, Colmes has a 3 hour radio show that has
> > absolutely no connection to Sean Hannity. Who cares what
> > Colmes does on TV - it's not relevant to a topic driven
> > radio show.
>
> I may see your point from a business perspective, but the
> average liberal will not. Colmes made his own bed with his
> TV show. Now he's a pariah. As Randi Rhodes witnessed
> herself at the Democratic convention during the 2004
> election, when Alan Colmes sat down at a cafeteria table
> with a half dozen other people already there, they all
> recognized him and every one of them got up and moved to
> another table. Alan Colmes ate alone. He has few friends
> on the left side of the aisle.
>
> That's the way it is these days. If he took on Hannity once
> on the air and called him a liar or exposed something he
> said, I suspect this reputation would be erased in about 30
> seconds, but until that happens, Alan Colmes is the skunk at
> the garden party.
>
 
Re: What do you mean by controversy w/ Schultz, Colmes???

I want to point out this post as not healthy to a good debate....Liberals do not hate life....despite the multitude of talking points and distortions...liberals do not hate others who do not agree with a certain view on one particular issue.
While it could spark a good flame fight, an abortion debate is not suitable for this forum...It is my strong belief that your posting is worthless in this context...


We can criticize our own....many liberals take issue with Colmes with his weak, lackluster appearances on Hannity where performs as a "poodle" for Hannity. I dont like Colmes because he wont stand up against the rules that hamstring him to speak out on Fox. As was said earlier, Colmes has made no public effort to fight his current inability to fight Hannity directly. Why would any liberal agree to do this besides the paycheck....Fox is certainly not serving the needs of any liberal or moderate. If hes doing it for the $$$ then to me that makes it even worse.

Schultz is a "converted" conservative in his own words. Many liberals debate or argue that Schultz is an opportunist that saw a change to capitalize on the new liberal radio market. I do not know if he is an opportunist, but he seems to enjoy trashing the liberal views while defending a small number of centrist views. Schultz seems to want to emulate Limbaugh when possible...liberals may not like him for this reason as well.....i cannot offer one specific reason.

I don't like Schultz because he is mostly uninformed. When i listen to his show, he seems to speak without preparation. In Boston, I think he is an unsuitable counter to Howie Carr who is pretty informed and less of a distorter but is a good conservative more or less and a columnist (maybe a journalist..but i dont think quite so). Shultz is an extremely unsuitable counter to Severin, who is a master of information and distortion. Randi Rhodes, who is well informed, is a much better counter in Boston to Severin. Ed seems to be popular with the mostly uninformed.......

Now if you want to debate those items im welcome to do so....but doing a hit and run is not acceptable to liberals and I hope conservatives agree.



Apparently he holds some non-liberal views, such as
> pro-life.
>
> > Hi...you wrote:
> >
> > Schultz also
> > > generates a lot of the same controversy that Colmes
> gets.
> > A
> > > lot of listeners are suspicious about Ed.
> >
> > tom responds:
> >
> > I'm not sure what do you mean by this? What controversy?
>
> > Why are listeners suspicious of Ed?
> >
>
 
Re: What do you mean by controversy w/ Schultz, Colmes???

First of all, my comment was not a hit and run, I merely noted that Schultz considers himself "pro-life", or "anti-abortion" and that runs counter to what liberals might expect. I don't understamd how Colmes is a "poodle", he obviously does not believe that he is. Does he have to yell,scream and insult Hannity to be acceptable?<P ID="signature">______________
"There ain't no reason to fight over a woman. There's two more down the street!".."Senisble Don", 700 WLW</P>
 
Re: What do you mean by controversy w/ Schultz, Colmes???

> First of all, my comment was not a hit and run, I merely
> noted that Schultz considers himself "pro-life", or
> "anti-abortion" and that runs counter to what liberals might
> expect. I don't understamd how Colmes is a "poodle", he
> obviously does not believe that he is. Does he have to
> yell,scream and insult Hannity to be acceptable?
>

Wrong twice.......the use of the word pro-life/pro-choice are misnomers....again Abortion is not a "evaluation tool" for liberals....no matter how you try to frame the comment....as i said earlier...its a great tool to start a fight but ill pass on that...i can assure you that there are many other reasons not to like Schultz or Colmes....it would seem fair that other liberals could possibly like both men...but i hope they do not (my opinion)

Colmes is a poodle as stated....he cannot debate, question, or respond directly to Sean Hannity......he doesnt have to yell/scream/insult (all things Hannity does very well by himself to )..however, he should fight to remove those stupid rules that he cannot debate his collegue...
 
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