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Markets Lacking CHRs

Duluth, MN
San Francisco, CA
Baltimore, MD
Annapolis, MD
Las Vegas, NV
San Jose, CA
Springfield, MA
Fredricksburg, VA
Norfolk, VA
Why can't CHR thrive in these cities?
 
One can make the argument to add El Paso to the list, too. They have a couple rhythmic stations. Power 102 is heavy on urban product. Hot 104.3 (XHTO) is a little more friendly on some of the pop/dance product (at least they play Leona Lewis, Katy Perry, Natasha Bedingfield and September), but it still reports to the rhythmic panel. Kiss 93.1 is a Hot AC with a slight rhythmic AC/CHR lean, but they still have John Tesh at night and play Culture Club as gold.

I think Mainstream CHR in El Paso will always be a tough sell, but for most of those markets you listed, I don't see a strong reason why it couldn't work with the right owners and direction from a good PD. If CHR can do so well at KIIS and KHOP, then why not San Francisco or San Jose? ???
 
Duluth has Mix 108, which is pretty much CHR (especially at night).
98.5 KLUC in Vegas has been evolving from Rhythmic to CHR/Pop. Metro Station's "Shake It" was a hit at the station, and "I'm Yours" by Jason Mraz is currently receiving its fair share of daytime rotation.
 
XCountry285 said:
Duluth, MN
San Francisco, CA
Baltimore, MD
Annapolis, MD
Las Vegas, NV
San Jose, CA
Springfield, MA
Fredricksburg, VA
Norfolk, VA
Why can't CHR thrive in these cities?

CHR would be big in Springfield in my opinion, if done right (I know the market... I live IN the demographic but there are plenty of other qualified people as well).... huge opportunity for someone that gave it a shot ... we have a "signals" issue here, being so close to Worcester, Hartford, New Haven, etc., we don't have as many stations as a usual market of this size would.
 
Baltimore and Annapolis have Hot 995.

And according to Radio-Locator, there is a college CHR in Springfield. But no commercial one.
 
Channel 104-3 in Baltimore isn't exactly setting the world on fire. In fact it's been slipping every book since it's been on the air, which isn't very long.
I have to imagine CHR would fair better on this frequency than the 1.4 they have now! 92Q, the Urban, dominates the top spot, and Mix 106-5, the CHR leaning Hot AC also does well.
You could take a few clicks from both of them and easily get a 4 or a 5.
 
I think we've had several threads before about this. Does the Topeka/Lawrence, Kansas market count as not having a CHR, or is that gap filled with CHR's from Kansas City and Manhattan?
 
The example of Channel 104.3 Baltimore perfect. I was very disappointed 104.3 wasn't given the chance to go back to CHR - it was Baltimore's dominant CHR in the 80s known as B-104.
 
DC101's "Elliott In The Morning" airs on Channel 104.3 as well. They could easily plug in CHR and simulcast Hot 995's Kane Show on 104.3

You have to think they won't let the format languish in the 1's like it is now. Hot 995 has a 1.2 in Baltimore or something like that, and that's with a less than ideal signal. Mix 1065 skirts CHR and gets good numbers, probably bills pretty well. 92Q dominates the market. There are definetly some CHR shares to be had in this market, and 104.3 is ripe to get them.
 
wxman76 said:
One can make the argument to add El Paso to the list, too. They have a couple rhythmic stations. Power 102 is heavy on urban product. Hot 104.3 (XHTO) is a little more friendly on some of the pop/dance product (at least they play Leona Lewis, Katy Perry, Natasha Bedingfield and September), but it still reports to the rhythmic panel. Kiss 93.1 is a Hot AC with a slight rhythmic AC/CHR lean, but they still have John Tesh at night and play Culture Club as gold.

I think Mainstream CHR in El Paso will always be a tough sell, but for most of those markets you listed, I don't see a strong reason why it couldn't work with the right owners and direction from a good PD. If CHR can do so well at KIIS and KHOP, then why not San Francisco or San Jose? ???

KIIS is a CHR in name only. I would add Los Angeles to the original list.
 
KIIS-FM is definitely a CHR, albeit a Rhythmic leaning one. Presentation-wise its pure CHR, rotation wise its CHR, and there are the occasional Pop/Rock songs that KIIS-FM is not only early on, but helps break nationally.
That being said, there might definitely be room for another CHR/Pop station in L.A. that is perhaps a tad bit more balanced musically ;)
(cue the KMVN topics from the L.A. board)
 
john77 said:
wxman76 said:
One can make the argument to add El Paso to the list, too. They have a couple rhythmic stations. Power 102 is heavy on urban product. Hot 104.3 (XHTO) is a little more friendly on some of the pop/dance product (at least they play Leona Lewis, Katy Perry, Natasha Bedingfield and September), but it still reports to the rhythmic panel. Kiss 93.1 is a Hot AC with a slight rhythmic AC/CHR lean, but they still have John Tesh at night and play Culture Club as gold.

I think Mainstream CHR in El Paso will always be a tough sell, but for most of those markets you listed, I don't see a strong reason why it couldn't work with the right owners and direction from a good PD. If CHR can do so well at KIIS and KHOP, then why not San Francisco or San Jose? ???

KIIS is a CHR in name only. I would add Los Angeles to the original list.

I wouldn't. Yes they lean Rhythmic. But I can't say that they aim at the same Rhythmic demo as does say Power 106, for example. KIIS FM is definitely more mainstream in its approach.
 
jsu5381m said:
I think we've had several threads before about this. Does the Topeka/Lawrence, Kansas market count as not having a CHR, or is that gap filled with CHR's from Kansas City and Manhattan?

They used to have Q103. KQTP/St Mary's / Topeka. Flipped to Country with Radio Rich formerly of WIBW FM (Country) as mornings.
 
A few things,,, I dont think Mix 106.5 Baltimore leans CHR at all, even not at night,, My Semi Local Hot AC B-102.7 is more CHR than them, even playing stuff like Kardinal Offshore-Dangerous, they tested LIL Wayne but it didnt work with their at work audience,, But they also play Sam Sparrow's-Black and gold a new dance song, they play DHT, and Cascada, and they play 90s dance like Le Click-Tonight is the night, and Livin Joy Dreamer, amoung others that slip my mind at the moment, but they also play some bad 80s cheese, like Come on Eileen, and George Micheal-Father figure, but then follow it up with PCD-When I grow up... They dont play much 80s at night, but they still sneak in some 80s once every few hours, But its usually stuff like Tone Loc-Wild Thing, Clash-Rcok the Cashbah, and various Def Leapard songs, so its very listenable at night and even during the day as long as you got back up presets for when Boy George comes on. On their Throwback thursdays which is all 80s, they even plsyed the humpty Dance from Digital Underground, a song that was actually too hot for alot of CHRs even at the time. As for Mix 108 in Duluth,,, Ive heard its an interesting Dayparting station but ive never heard it with my own ears, I hope they stream some day. KIss 93.1 in El Passo is good except for the John Tesh at night,,, and you should look at stations like the new Virgin 99.9 in Toronto and CHUm 104.5 in Torronto,,,, Virgin leans very much like a Rhythmic AC here would but still plays POP/Rock as well,,, And Both CHUM and Virgin have Dance Music mixshows on weekends. MIX 96 in Montreal is technically a Hot AC, but look at the playlist and listen onliine, it sounds like a CHR to me, very rhythmic friendly... Mix 96 Montreal used to be all Dance Music live in the mix at night, but I dont think they do that anymore, correct me if im wrong, and I hope I am.
 
"Mix 96 Montreal used to be all Dance Music live in the mix at night, but I dont think they do that anymore, correct me if im wrong, and I hope I am."

I believe that on Friday evenings, beginning at 6, they have a club mix show. And at 7, they do M.C. Mario's countdown. I'm not sure about the other nights of the week.
 
cartman1964 said:
For Springfield,MA, wouldnt Kiss 95.7 count? They are from Hartford, which is just about a 30 minute drive from Springfield.

Sadly, CC has run Kiss 95.7 into the ground big-time. They were a great CHR back in the late '80's and '90's, but now they sound awful. Terrible jocks, no production (sweepers, jingles, etc.), awful stale playlist and the music is pitched way too high. Someone pointed out earlier in this thread that KIIS-FM in LA is a CHR in name only. I'd say the same for WKSS.
 
Sorry, but it's official. KIISFM is not CHR. They are Rhythmic. Look at the playlist and look at the charts.
 
1900radio said:
Sorry, but it's official. KIISFM is not CHR. They are Rhythmic. Look at the playlist and look at the charts.

I wouldn't consider Tokio Hotel "Monsoon", Paramore "Misery Business" and Carrie Underwood "Before He Cheats" rhythmic tracks, but i digress.  Whether you label it (rhythmic leaning) CHR or rhythmic, it's working for them.

And Mix 108 is a dayparted station that's Hot AC until 6pm, then it flips to CHR.  I don't know many Hot AC's playing Danity Kane, Kardinal Offishall and Flo Rida in midday (and T.I. and September, at night), but I don't know many CHR's playing Rick Springfield, the Cranberries and old Sheryl Crow tunes (just to name a few) outside a retro lunch.  They've established a strong position in the market (Open House Party on Mix gets huge numbers), and they could be the reason why the market lacks a straight Hot AC and a straight CHR right now.  IIRC, WZOK in Illinois is also HAC in the day and CHR at night.
 
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