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Markets Lacking Top 40's

LMAO!!! Classic!

I can shoot your idea on WKFR right out of the sky, too, Hair. They've gone up against a couple of rhythmic competitors over the years, and each time the rhythmics had their rears handed to them. Now, granted, I've argued that the market could use a rhythmic that doesn't necessarily feel the need to compete with KFR, and they'd do just fine. But KFR, due to their dayparting, will always remain in the top 2 in both Kalamazoo and Battle Creek (they're separate markets that really should be one).

Again, refer to the above link.
 
WIXX is hardly a balanced CHR. Kiss Green Bay is the balanced one.
As for artists with a Rhythmic edge, sorry but with females 18-34 nothing says pop like Gwen, Justin, Fergie, Beyonce, and so on.

As for Kelly Clarkson's "Since U Been Gone", WFNX and WBCN have NEVER EVER played any of Kelly's song. They've never even considered it.
Kiss 108 overall is a very balanced CHR these days
 
Wow

Steve N. said:
Kelly Clarkson's "Since U Been Gone" - rock, especially given that both 'BCN and 'AAF play the song
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As Jim Rome would say...that's classic.

(Neither play that or any other Kelly Clarkson song...)
 
Steve N. said:
Boston . Kiss 108 sound Like there sister station Jamn 94.5
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I agree with rapking on Kiss 108, except it's in direct reverse (has to be to protect gangsta rap Jam'n 94-5). In short, I consider Kiss to be a rock 40 post-Sunny Joe White. Just a sample of the artists they play:

Advil Latrine - rock
Kelly Clarkson's "Since U Been Gone" - rock, especially given that both 'BCN and 'AAF play the song
Gwen Stefani/No Doubt - rock
Nickelback - rock
Hinder - heavy metal, aka the un-PC moniker of active rock
3 Doors Down - rock
Creed - rock
Dave Matthews - rock
Hoobastank - rock
All-American Rejects - rock
The Killers - alt-rock
Fall Out Boy - alt-rock
Blink-182 - rock
Sublime - rock (they've always played Sublime way more than your average CHR dating back to '96)
Third Eye Blind - rock
Green Day - rock
Rob Thomas/Matchbox 20 - rock
The Fray - rock (always on 'BCN and 'FNX)
Barenaked Ladies - rock
Red Hot Chili Peppers - rock
U2 - rock

I don't think I got every rock artist that Kiss plays, but this represents at least 75% of Kiss' music since John Ivey (who has a history of running rock 40 stations; he's now at KIIS, which runs the same exact format as LA's Star - a huge reason why Star's ratings are so bad) took over from 1994 to 2002. Cadillac has the keep the rap music on Jam'n completely separated from the rock on Kiss otherwise both stations will suffer because people won't be able to tell Kiss apart from Jam'n.
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That is NOT 75% of their playlist, look it up on Mediabase, nor are all of those artists considered Rock. The one common thread with all the artists you mentioned is that they have all had HITS. That what KISS 108 plays, HITS. They are very well balanced. They play rhythmic, rock, pop HITS. Just because they play Hinder doesn't make them a Rock station. Just because they play Akon doesn't make them a Rhythmic. They play Carrie Underwood too, are you going to say they are a country station now????

Get over what Ivey did in the 90's and early 2000's with the station. He ran a station that you obviously didn't like, but he protected the brand and the station thrived (and continues to). The station has evolved, the format has evolved and the station is still successful, as well as JAM'N. And what do you mean KIIS and KYSR run the same format? KIIS is a heavy Rhythmic leaning CHR and KYSR is a Hot AC?

Also, if you can prove that WAAF or WBCN ever played Since U Been Gone in rotation (not as a tie in to a bit), I will shave my head and post the video on this site!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Come on now, everyone knows that Kelly Clarkson is the very definition of Modern/Alternative Rock :p
I also heard Boston's Country station just added Beyonce and Akon into rotation, with their Country Dance remixes of course :D
 
CHRles said:
WIXX is hardly a balanced CHR. Kiss Green Bay is the balanced one.
As for artists with a Rhythmic edge, sorry but with females 18-34 nothing says pop like Gwen, Justin, Fergie, Beyonce, and so on.
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WIXX is being worked on. The management there insists on targeting 25-54, so thus the rock lean. The new PD wants it to be a mainstream CHR station so he's been tweaking the playlist around. In responce, the airstaff at WIXX have been getting pissy at him because they think WIXX is an "Adult CHR" station.

WKSZ started out as a balanced CHR. But its reincarnation is more rhythmic since they're reaching out to former Wild 99-7 listeners.

http://web.yes.com/chat/stationtop.php?station=WIXX


http://web.yes.com/chat/stationtop.php?station=WKSZ
 
Rhythmic Leaning, or Hot A/C ish CHR its still a CHR.It doesn't matter. THey're fine. It's like if they absolutely don't have a CHR. That's what I mean.
 
CHRles said:
WIXX is hardly a balanced CHR. Kiss Green Bay is the balanced one.
As for artists with a Rhythmic edge, sorry but with females 18-34 nothing says pop like Gwen, Justin, Fergie, Beyonce, and so on.

As for Kelly Clarkson's "Since U Been Gone", WFNX and WBCN have NEVER EVER played any of Kelly's song. They've never even considered it.
Kiss 108 overall is a very balanced CHR these days
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Sorry, but adding Top 40 tracks that crossed over well to rhythmic, into your otherwise rhythmic playlist, IS NOT A BALANCE!
 
Look guys, let's not kid ourselves. Rock radio is in a pitiful state right now in most of the major and large markets. Personally I think there's a lot of great Alternative Rock/Modern Rock product right now, which hopefully will revitalize Modern Rock radio. At the moment though Modern Rock stations are oftentimes underperforming, Active Rock and Triple A seem to be a dying breed, and Modern A/C stations are oftentimes tanking. In fact, more and more Modern A/Cs are adding Rhythmic and Pop titles. Who can blame them - a lot of the Modern A/C titles are just so freaking bland.

One so-called Rhythmic artist trult stands out. Beyonce is becoming the Michael Jackson of the 21st Century. She's Pop, and just way bigger then being boxed as an R&B or Rhythmic artist. "Irreplaceable" is a huge hit even on Hot A/C radio.
http://www.mediabase.com/mmrweb/AllAccess/Details.asp?sngcde=BEYOI+++
Guess what else most of those Hot A/C stations are playing - that's right Justin, Gwen, Fergie, Pink, and Christina Aguileraand Nelly Furtado

So yes those artists are all very VERY Pop. Much moreso then any Augustana.

Whats great about it is that while artists like Gergie, Beyonce, Pink, Shakira, and Nelly Furtado are all Pop they are not super cheesy teen Pop. They boy band era is over. Justin has matured, Christina has matured, while at the same time artists like Gwen Stefani formerly of No Doubt have come closer then ever to mainstream Pop.
 
CHRles said:
Look guys, let's not kid ourselves. Rock radio is in a pitiful state right now in most of the major and large markets. Personally I think there's a lot of great Alternative Rock/Modern Rock product right now, which hopefully will revitalize Modern Rock radio. At the moment though Modern Rock stations are oftentimes underperforming, Active Rock and Triple A seem to be a dying breed, and Modern A/C stations are oftentimes tanking. In fact, more and more Modern A/Cs are adding Rhythmic and Pop titles. Who can blame them - a lot of the Modern A/C titles are just so freaking bland.

One so-called Rhythmic artist trult stands out. Beyonce is becoming the Michael Jackson of the 21st Century. She's Pop, and just way bigger then being boxed as an R&B or Rhythmic artist. "Irreplaceable" is a huge hit even on Hot A/C radio.
http://www.mediabase.com/mmrweb/AllAccess/Details.asp?sngcde=BEYOI+++
Guess what else most of those Hot A/C stations are playing - that's right Justin, Gwen, Fergie, Pink, and Christina Aguileraand Nelly Furtado

So yes those artists are all very VERY Pop. Much moreso then any Augustana.

Whats great about it is that while artists like Gergie, Beyonce, Pink, Shakira, and Nelly Furtado are all Pop they are not super cheesy teen Pop. They boy band era is over. Justin has matured, Christina has matured, while at the same time artists like Gwen Stefani formerly of No Doubt have come closer then ever to mainstream Pop.
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It does not matter. As long as a song has a Rhythmic feel, if a CHR plays it, it will NOT be considered a Hot AC song. Just as if a CHR were to play Young Jeezy's "Go Getta", it doesn't make it a pop song, its still a rap song. When someone listens to, for example, Nelly Furtado's "Say It Right", it will not have the same effect as if they were to spin "Powerless".

The reason is, just because Gwen Stefani, Nelly Furtado, and whoever else is in the top 10 right now have a pop background, a song is a song. "Say It Right" sounds like a Rhythmic track and can not be considered use to seperate a station's otherwise rhythmic playlist. "The Sweet Escape" has a hip-hop feel. and also includes Akon. Fergie's "Glamorous" is a hip-hop touched R&B songs. Adding these songs along Mims, Rich Boy, Young Jeezy, and R. Kelly would not, and never will until hip-hop is the only genre in existance, be a balanced CHR.

Also, even though "Say It Right" is charting well on Hot AC, it's just a song that is crossing over. An average listener wouldn't then call it an AC song. They'd still think its a hip-hop song with some pop flavor.

As far as Alternative radio...I think it sucks too. In general there's too much crappy music coming out the past...couple years or so. I haven't heard a quality alternative-crossover to CHR since Papa Roach's "Scars" about two years back. And Hot AC is bland just because it has no variety. I'd enjoy the format if it added more rhythmic tracks and more harder-edged rock than...Nickelback. (I have to go barf, hold on.)
 
Some Rap artists did become much more associated with Pop over the years: Will Smith, Diddy, Outkast, Nelly, Missy Eliott, and Bow Wow.
 
CHRles said:
Some Rap artists did become much more associated with Pop over the years: Will Smith, Diddy, Outkast, Nelly, Missy Eliott, and Bow Wow.
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Again, adding these along Mims, Rich Boy, Young Jeezy, and R. Kelly would not, and never will until hip-hop is the only genre in existance, be a balanced CHR.
 
I think what we're all debating here is a return of sorts to the old Top 40-of-Everything model. We're moving further and further away from specific genres and more and more toward formats that include all different genres in rotations that our target demographic will enjoy hearing on one station. Which, to me, is interesting considering the fact that not too long ago we were discussing on this very board whether or not formats were too segregated.

The fact of the matter is that a truly "balanced" CHR would include all the different genres that are popular today, and what some of you are arguing isn't balance actually is balance... you're just not seeing it as such because you think some of those genres belong on a different format.

Think of it this way: take a look at the average mainstream listener's MP3 library. I guarantee you you'll find a little pop, a little rock, a little hip-hop, a little R&B, a little dance, a little... everything. That's the balance today's listeners are looking for on radio, and radio is responding.

Additionally, CHR means contemporary hit radio... it's what's popular with it's target demographic at the moment. If more hip-hop is popular at the moment, it will be on CHR. If more rock is popular at the moment, it will be on CHR. If smooth jazz were popular... well, then, CHR just might be doomed ;)

To be completely honest with you, I've never seen CHR playlists this balanced in my lifetime. We, as a format, are literally playing a little bit of everything right now. We've got light rock and uptempo rock. We've got pop. We've got hip-hop. We've got R&B. We've got dance (though it's not as big as it could be at the moment). We're even playing country tracks because they're so popular that we can't ignore them. If that's not balance, I don't know what is. Any more balance and we'd be Jack!

But again, realistically speaking, balance isn't something you need to look for in this format. You need to look for what your listeners want to hear (and despite what anyone tells you, they do know what that is). What genre the majority of that description happens to come from at any given moment is irrelevant.
 
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