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May-June -July trends are out

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Parttimer

DVE, KD, and 104.7 all up. WPGB once again sets a new record for that frequency.

Q92.9 continues slow groth, B is flat, EAE didn't miss Madden much, at least not as far a 12+ was concerned.
 
Parttimer said:
EAE didn't miss Madden much, at least not as far a 12+ was concerned.
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Didn't someone suggest in another thread that ESPN Radio's success was in spite of Mark Madden, not because of him?
 
I'm taking credit for WDVE's success.

For years I have said WDVE needed to embrace the hair bands. They are now playing more of them.

So I'm taking a bow. And taking another.

And I do not think I am beating a belief of mine into the ground or making the same point over and over or am even being smug because three years ago in some random book in New York City Randi Rhodes beat Sean Hannity in a 25-54 demographic.
 
Pratte4Life said:
And I do not think I am beating a belief of mine into the ground or making the same point over and over or am even being smug because three years ago in some random book in New York City Randi Rhodes beat Sean Hannity in a 25-54 demographic.
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Are you kidding!!! That fact proves beyond all shadow of a doubt that, uh, well, I don't know what it proves. But dammit, it's a fact, Jack! And so it means more than all the common sense in the world.
 
And of course, the phrase "common sense" is the last refuge in an argument for people who don't do their homework and can't substantiate their arguments with verifiable facts and data. If we all agreed on the definition of "common sense", we wouldn't need message boards.

But glad to see my posts are on your mind, Biz.
 
I noticed that Pittsburgh is one of Clear Channel's best markets when it comes to ratings. That cluster is even more impressive 25-54 than 12+.
 
Jay F said:
I noticed that Pittsburgh is one of Clear Channel's best markets when it comes to ratings. That cluster is even more impressive 25-54 than 12+.
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In the land of blind men, the one-eyed man is king.

It's not hard to be number 1 when your competition's best skill is shooting itself in the foot.
 
As far as B94 goes, they need to do something. If you recall the previous B94, before KISS was in the picture, B94 was always in your face in the city of Pittsburgh. Whether the station was making the news for a stunt the morning show did or an event they were holding in the city, the first B was always an "in-your-face" type of deal. Even if a person never listened to B94 or had no idea what genre of music the station played, they knew it existed. Nowadays, the station is just there. KISS is the station that most high school and college students turn to. Why? I can't quite put my finger on it. Any thoughts?
 
Kiss has been around longer, and the B is a really low-budget operation compared to its heyday.

The talent is pretty run-of-the-mill and there's no budget for promotion.
 
There was a liner used on stations during the heyday of AM top 40 radio went something like this;
" We're men with music, not boys with noise".
That's exactly what B-94 sounds like...not only boys with noise, but "frat" boys with noise.
Back then somehow jocks that sounded like men managed to communicate with teenagers and 20 somethings....I'm sure it would work again.
 
The thinking has changed entirely on who can and can't be a CHR jock. Part of it stems from the fact that these jocks do a lot of bar remotes and if they don't look like they belong there it's a problem.

Plus, in the old days, CHR was the money format and could pay for the best talent. Relatively speaking now, with the exceptions of powerhouses like 93-3FLZ in Tampa, they miss out on the big 25-54 money and employ younger cheaper guys (and girls).
 
The '50s 60's 70s jocks did a lot of personal appearances and high school dances. I don't think they were that old, they just had a certain maturity (especially in voice) about them. Jim Quinn would have been about 24 when he was at KQV in 1968.
If it is truly a money thing at B-94 then it's painfully obvious you get what you pay for.
 
Zipperhead said:
If it is truly a money thing, then it's painfully obvious you get what you pay for.
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It is usually is the money factor! Find cheap talent. The one owner of a station I use to work at always said, jocks were a dime a dozen.
The reason many stations have so many young, bad sounding, and untalented air staff is because the owners have found out they can get the college kids to intern there for the school year and in turn have staff in all positions, not just on air, and never have to pay them. How much cheaper can you get?

Yes, they did it in my day too, but only one or two interns per year.
 
Back in the Sixties, management often did not expect their jocks to look, act, or sound like the kids or the bands. WMCA in NYC expected coats, ties, and short hair for public appearances. BMR sounded a whole lot wilder than he looked. Ever see a picture of Casey Kasem back then? Wolfman Jack was the exeption. One station that still has a full 18 hour schedule of jocks who sound like mature men is Q105 in Tampa. They stream on line and really sound great by today's standards. All the talent is local and shows what CBS can do if they try.
 
But that's not a CHR, it's an oldies station.

Even FLZ's airstaff has gotten younger sounding over the last few years from when Jeff Thomas was doing afternoons (sorry, I lived in Tampa for a long time..).
 
clangham said:
Zipperhead said:
If it is truly a money thing, then it's painfully obvious you get what you pay for.
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It is usually is the money factor! Find cheap talent. The one owner of a station I use to work at always said, jocks were a dime a dozen.
The reason many stations have so many young, bad sounding, and untalented air staff is because the owners have found out they can get the college kids to intern there for the school year and in turn have staff in all positions, not just on air, and never have to pay them. How much cheaper can you get?

Yes, they did it in my day too, but only one or two interns per year.
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Maybe the suits have discovered that the DJ's really aren't all that important, and that it's the music that really matters.
 
I know that Q105 is called "classic hits". It still has the sound and feel of a 60's CHR station. FLZ sometimes has the "energy" of an old time top 40. I lived in Pittsburgh for 23 years , visit monthly, and now live in Tampa. Besides, the only reason I post is to mentally joust with CINGRAM and PARTIMER. No ;D ;Dw it would be real fun if Doug Hoerth would post too ( assuming he doesn't)
 
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