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MediaBiz, Herald: Moe pondered age discrimination lawsuit
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argytunes
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That Vicotria Block one-liner has to be the funniest thing I've heard ALL DAY! ;D
argytunes
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Well, Moe was 65...I doubt he wanted to work any more than 1 day a week.
Well, he wasn't 65 when he started, he was 40. If, when he was forty, his career plan was only to work 1 day a week, then he put himself in a precarious position.
I believe moe had another job.....Fall River? And he was also involved with politics in Southeatern Mass.......and had another job outside of radio.
Well, he had a choice and he made it. I'd be surprized if all those other gigs would have taken precedence over a full time M-F gig at WRKO if he could have gotten one, especially for someone with a goal of a career in talk radio.
I doubt that he was looking for anything beyond weekend duty.
That's a pretty dangerous path to take in broadcasting. If, OTOH, he was doing his WRKO work as a hobby, he had a pretty good run, and doesn't have a bitch coming.
BTW...Are you saying Sat AM is considered an entry level position?
Actually, I was referring to the WEEI producer who also got broomed, and producer usually isn't a terminal position for someone in local broadcasting. If someone doing at the age of 57 a job usually handled by someone just out of school thought he was bulletproof, he needed to look around more.
But, yes, doing weekend and fill in work is usually either a entry level or, in some cases, an exit level position. It is where new talent breaks in, or the elephants' graveyard for experienced talent on the way out (Jerry Williams) or marginal talent (Craig Mustard) put in low rent storage.
EDS drives a lot of the reporting on this. Entercom does something that happens a hundred times a day thoughout the country, and they are a bunch of hard hearted philistines, but GM can wipe out an entire station air staff and come across looking like they were doing those folks a favor because, obviously, GM is run by people with the sensitivity of St Paul, and would never do anything based on the bottom line.
It's a little like those comments on those 'spackle & paste" spots. WRKO runs them because the accounting department is one step ahead of debtors prison, whilst WBZ runs them in AMD drive because they mistakenly believe they are ads for the Home Depot paint department. Go figger.
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Well, he wasn't 65 when he started, he was 40. If, when he was forty, his career plan was only to work 1 day a week, then he put himself in a precarious position.
I believe moe had another job.....Fall River? And he was also involved with politics in Southeatern Mass.......and had another job outside of radio.
Well, he had a choice and he made it. I'd be surprized if all those other gigs would have taken precedence over a full time M-F gig at WRKO if he could have gotten one, especially for someone with a goal of a career in talk radio.
I doubt that he was looking for anything beyond weekend duty.
That's a pretty dangerous path to take in broadcasting. If, OTOH, he was doing his WRKO work as a hobby, he had a pretty good run, and doesn't have a bitch coming.
BTW...Are you saying Sat AM is considered an entry level position?
Actually, I was referring to the WEEI producer who also got broomed, and producer usually isn't a terminal position for someone in local broadcasting. If someone doing at the age of 57 a job usually handled by someone just out of school thought he was bulletproof, he needed to look around more.
But, yes, doing weekend and fill in work is usually either a entry level or, in some cases, an exit level position. It is where new talent breaks in, or the elephants' graveyard for experienced talent on the way out (Jerry Williams) or marginal talent (Craig Mustard) put in low rent storage.
EDS drives a lot of the reporting on this. Entercom does something that happens a hundred times a day thoughout the country, and they are a bunch of hard hearted philistines, but GM can wipe out an entire station air staff and come across looking like they were doing those folks a favor because, obviously, GM is run by people with the sensitivity of St Paul, and would never do anything based on the bottom line.
It's a little like those comments on those 'spackle & paste" spots. WRKO runs them because the accounting department is one step ahead of debtors prison, whilst WBZ runs them in AMD drive because they mistakenly believe they are ads for the Home Depot paint department. Go figger.
Regards,
TSB
BearFur said:'RKO gave Moe the false excuse that letting hiim go was for cost cutting, I pointed out that they lie.
And you know this...how? Do you work there? Do you have access to their financial and payroll statements? If so, pony up...now. We're waiting. Otherwise, your accusations of lying go nowhere.
BearFur said:I think it's funny that in Julie's "heartfelt" email, how she states she was out of town the week before, and then goes on to mention "cutting expenses" how much ya wanna bet that she was on a needless business trip that cost Entercom a few thousand dollars in travel and hotel and food, and it all couldn't been handled remotely, i.e. her staying in Boston, and having conference calls.
Once again, prove it. Obviously you were Julie's chaperone on her trip, so you know every little detail, including why she went and what business she conducted on that trip. Fill us in. We're waiting.
It's so easy to be a critic when you don't know the facts.
dumber than a box of hair said:BearFur said:I think it's funny that in Julie's "heartfelt" email, how she states she was out of town the week before, and then goes on to mention "cutting expenses" how much ya wanna bet that she was on a needless business trip that cost Entercom a few thousand dollars in travel and hotel and food, and it all couldn't been handled remotely, i.e. her staying in Boston, and having conference calls.
Once again, prove it. Obviously you were Julie's chaperone on her trip, so you know every little detail, including why she went and what business she conducted on that trip. Fill us in. We're waiting.
It's so easy to be a critic when you don't know the facts.
Dumber, I agree with you that BearFur doesn't have the facts. But it's more than that.
People who don't do business travel tend to see it as a vacation.
People who do business travel recognize it for what it is: work that extends the day from 8-9 hours to 24 hours. It can be great. It is often necessary for getting the job done (building relationships, closing a deal). It gets old, especially if you've already been to the location.
As far as conference calls, if you're selling or persuading people, the lack of visuals significantly affects your ability to read the people you're working with. If the deal has any money at all, the small money on airfare and hotel is chump change if being there in person increases the likelihood of it going through. That's why business travel is still huge, even with teleconferencing facilities widely available.
In my experience, bosses usually want their experienced people out on more, not less, business travel.
However, the junior people in an organization generally see it along the lines of BearFur. I guess it's understandable.
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Dark Knight
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Bravo Mr. Hair. I wasn't going to bother with this thread since it is already off topic, but before Bearfur embarrasses himself (or herself) further, I offer the following:
1. If Meterparel wasn't doing the game, someone else would have have had to do it, so Entercom would have had some costs associated with the announcer regardless. Also, do we know that he came back from spring training and flew back down? If he was already there then the move would actually save money - was he even paid for doing the game? He's a FT employee who probably jumped at the opportunity. I suspect that the worst case scenario is that it was expense neutral, otherwise why do it? Also, payroll expenses tend to be recurring while something like this is an OTO - linking one to the other is a spurious comparison at best.
2. Because I tried to call her that week I happen to know that Julie was on a family vacation, presumably on her own dime, but maybe Bearfur can be on the lookout for her expense report to make sure there's no hanky-panky. Finn's point is true as well, though in this advertising economy out of market business travel is scrutinized more tightly than it would be in healthier times.
One thing I don't find hard to believe is that they are trying to save money. Everyone in the market has had to suffer some layoffs, 2008 is starting slowly for everyone and we seem to have a lot of cost cutting in the industry.
If EDS becomes any more prevalent there will probably be an infomercial on WRKO about how to treat it. (It grows in your brain like spackle or paste, and once it is there, it ferments and grows any time you read SaveWRKO or a post from X, Y or Z. The blockage prevents clear thoughts from traveling from your brain to your fingers when you are typing until all you can write about is vast left wing conspiracies, management incompetence and Tom Finneran. In the final stages you will launch personal attacks on people you don't even know...the copy almost writes itself. )
1. If Meterparel wasn't doing the game, someone else would have have had to do it, so Entercom would have had some costs associated with the announcer regardless. Also, do we know that he came back from spring training and flew back down? If he was already there then the move would actually save money - was he even paid for doing the game? He's a FT employee who probably jumped at the opportunity. I suspect that the worst case scenario is that it was expense neutral, otherwise why do it? Also, payroll expenses tend to be recurring while something like this is an OTO - linking one to the other is a spurious comparison at best.
2. Because I tried to call her that week I happen to know that Julie was on a family vacation, presumably on her own dime, but maybe Bearfur can be on the lookout for her expense report to make sure there's no hanky-panky. Finn's point is true as well, though in this advertising economy out of market business travel is scrutinized more tightly than it would be in healthier times.
One thing I don't find hard to believe is that they are trying to save money. Everyone in the market has had to suffer some layoffs, 2008 is starting slowly for everyone and we seem to have a lot of cost cutting in the industry.
If EDS becomes any more prevalent there will probably be an infomercial on WRKO about how to treat it. (It grows in your brain like spackle or paste, and once it is there, it ferments and grows any time you read SaveWRKO or a post from X, Y or Z. The blockage prevents clear thoughts from traveling from your brain to your fingers when you are typing until all you can write about is vast left wing conspiracies, management incompetence and Tom Finneran. In the final stages you will launch personal attacks on people you don't even know...the copy almost writes itself. )
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BearFur
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Um, I do have the facts. And if you actually paid attention, you would have them too. It's been reported, and on Moe's webpage, is an email from Julie Kahn herself STATING THE COST CUTTING REASON. I didn't pull it out of an orafice, it's in black and white in her own words.
Now anyone with a brain knows that when people go on a trip that has anything to do with their job, it's all paid for by the company.
Those are the facts.
Now anyone with a brain knows that when people go on a trip that has anything to do with their job, it's all paid for by the company.
Those are the facts.
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Dark Knight
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BF, that's a lot of BS. The only fact you had is that she wrote him an email and told him he was let go for cost efficiency reasons. You have no facts about the cost of Meterparel doing the game, you have no facts regarding whether her trip was business or personal, you have no facts about Entercom's overall expense plans (just because one area is cut doesn't mean another area is not going up - it may simply not be prudent to spend $X/hour for a weekend AM host when you can have tapes (free) or infomercials (positive revenue)) and you have no facts about how Entercom or it's employees handle their expenses. I am not purporting to have facts (other than that she wasn't on a business trip), but I do have a lot of first hand media business knowledge and experience.
Some people, myself included, go by the principle that whether I am home or on business I am going to eat anyway, therefore my company should NOT be paying for my meals simply because I am in another city. Client or staff entertainment is another matter, but the days of wretched excess are over. Responsible decision-makers should treat their company's money like it is their own. Furthermore, some business expenses (airfare, hotel) can sometimes be covered in trade for unused inventory. Payroll on the other hand, is tough to cover in trade, which is another reason you are comparing apples and oranges.
People should not read misinformation on the internet and think they know what they are talking about.
Some people, myself included, go by the principle that whether I am home or on business I am going to eat anyway, therefore my company should NOT be paying for my meals simply because I am in another city. Client or staff entertainment is another matter, but the days of wretched excess are over. Responsible decision-makers should treat their company's money like it is their own. Furthermore, some business expenses (airfare, hotel) can sometimes be covered in trade for unused inventory. Payroll on the other hand, is tough to cover in trade, which is another reason you are comparing apples and oranges.
People should not read misinformation on the internet and think they know what they are talking about.
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BearFur
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Fact: Moe was told he was let go for cost cutting reasons. He was told this by Kahn.
Fact: John Meterparel traveled to Florida to broadcast a Sox spring training game. It was for work, so you'll forgive me for assuming that the company he works for paid for the trip. I don't think it's much of a stretch to assume that.
Fact: Travel costs higher on the weekend. So this trip cost Entercom even more than an "average" trip would cost.
Fact: John Meterparel traveled to Florida to broadcast a Sox spring training game. It was for work, so you'll forgive me for assuming that the company he works for paid for the trip. I don't think it's much of a stretch to assume that.
Fact: Travel costs higher on the weekend. So this trip cost Entercom even more than an "average" trip would cost.
And you accused her of lying...with exactly zero basis for such an accusation. Apparently they're only "facts" if they fit your particular strain of EDS. Moe (otherwise known as the aggreived party) posted an e-mail, whose authenticity no one can verify, and you assume it's a "fact." But, assuming for the moment that it is a fact, we're still waiting for you to prove it's a lie. Of course, we're not waiting for that proof while holding our collective breath. Anoxia is nasty.BearFur said:Um, I do have the facts. And if you actually paid attention, you would have them too. It's been reported, and on Moe's webpage, is an email from Julie Kahn herself STATING THE COST CUTTING REASON. I didn't pull it out of an orafice, it's in black and white in her own words.
"Anyone with a brain?" Thanks for the best laugh of the day.BearFur said:Now anyone with a brain knows that when people go on a trip that has anything to do with their job, it's all paid for by the company.
Those are the facts.
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BearFur
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Facts are facts no matter what. I am not taking a statement that fits my argument and saying "gee, i'll claim that's a fact" because that would be stupid.
It's been stated WIDELY here by many people how Entercom Boston, specifically Wolfe and Kahn operate. Again, not an assumption on my part, but fact.
And I am sorry that the facts don't favor your argument, opinions favor yours, but not facts.
And as far as the "authenticity" of Kahns email....what a weak try LOL If in fact the email was fake and not from her, she (Kahn) could press charges against him for posting a false email and putting her name on it.
Anyhoo, to sum up....I'm right, you're wrong if you are trying to defend the company.
End of discussion.
It's been stated WIDELY here by many people how Entercom Boston, specifically Wolfe and Kahn operate. Again, not an assumption on my part, but fact.
And I am sorry that the facts don't favor your argument, opinions favor yours, but not facts.
And as far as the "authenticity" of Kahns email....what a weak try LOL If in fact the email was fake and not from her, she (Kahn) could press charges against him for posting a false email and putting her name on it.
Anyhoo, to sum up....I'm right, you're wrong if you are trying to defend the company.
End of discussion.
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Dark Knight
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"It's been stated WIDELY here by many people how Entercom Boston, specifically Wolfe and Kahn operate. Again, not an assumption on my part, but fact."
-So the unsubstantiated statements of people who don't know what they are talking about qualify as "facts"? That explains a lot. Now I understand.
"And I am sorry that the facts don't favor your argument, opinions favor yours, but not facts."
-Still waiting to see some real facts other than the email - as I said before, you know nothing about Meter's trip. Again, someone had to announce the game whether or not Moe still had a job and you have no idea if there was any incremental cost to the company for having Meter, rather than "TBA Announcer" do the game. Nice try.
"Anyhoo, to sum up....I'm right, you're wrong if you are trying to defend the company."
-How positively Maloney-like in your rhetorical style. Well done. You may not be right, but I am probably wasting my figurative breath. It is kind of pointless to speak from a position of knowledge, experience and logic to someone who just wants to froth at the mouth about people you don't know and a company whose performance belies the image that the EDS Hater Brigade likes to promulgate on the boards.
-So the unsubstantiated statements of people who don't know what they are talking about qualify as "facts"? That explains a lot. Now I understand.
"And I am sorry that the facts don't favor your argument, opinions favor yours, but not facts."
-Still waiting to see some real facts other than the email - as I said before, you know nothing about Meter's trip. Again, someone had to announce the game whether or not Moe still had a job and you have no idea if there was any incremental cost to the company for having Meter, rather than "TBA Announcer" do the game. Nice try.
"Anyhoo, to sum up....I'm right, you're wrong if you are trying to defend the company."
-How positively Maloney-like in your rhetorical style. Well done. You may not be right, but I am probably wasting my figurative breath. It is kind of pointless to speak from a position of knowledge, experience and logic to someone who just wants to froth at the mouth about people you don't know and a company whose performance belies the image that the EDS Hater Brigade likes to promulgate on the boards.
BearFur said:It's been stated WIDELY here by many people how Entercom Boston, specifically Wolfe and Kahn operate. Again, not an assumption on my part, but fact.
The only part of that which is a fact is that it has been stated here. However, "widely stated here" doesn't make it factual, mostly because it's posted by people with (wait for it) no inside knowledge at all, but plenty of agenda, bitterness or EES (Ex-Employee Syndrome). They have no more facts than you do...only really bad cases of EDS, which is well on its way to becoming an epidemic around here.
BearFur said:I'm right, you're wrong if you are trying to defend the company.
This has nothing to do with defending the company. This has everything to do with accusations, assumptions and infantile name-calling (how many more times are we going to be treated to "Coffee Boy" and "the Empress" in other threads on this board?) made in public without so much as a shred of proof.
Regardless of why they pushed Moe out, they have basically decided to give away the Saturday morning audience to their many competitors on radio or other media. Maybe it is cheaper in the short run but doesn't do anything to grow the business.
If they weren't happy with the ratings, then make a change that will boost them. Putting on re-runs or informercials will just make the regulars go away and anyone who flips around to see what is on flip to something else.
If they weren't happy with the ratings, then make a change that will boost them. Putting on re-runs or informercials will just make the regulars go away and anyone who flips around to see what is on flip to something else.
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