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Memo to WSNE and Lite 105 re No Repeat Workday

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wknd92

You cannot use the term "No Repeat Workday" if you, in fact, repeat songs during the work day.

I don't think Lite is using it anymore; but I've heard it numerous times over the last 3 weeks on Coast and if you don't know how to use Selector to make sure you don't repeat a song during the hours of 8a-5p or 9a-5p, please call me in...I'll be glad to show you. I have heard, on occasion, Crazy by Gnarls Barkley 3 times during the workday, Beyonce Irreplaceable I've even heard Turn the Beat Around FOUR times during a day once (twice each by Vickie Sue Robinson and Gloria Estefan). I am held captive, unfortunately, where I work and have to listen to WSNE all day 9-5 and it irks me to no end! If I was able to do it at Lite back in 1995, you should be able to do it now....and even better than I did it back then!
 
This is almost as bad as stations which say "EXCLUSIVELY on such and such a station ". Really? How is it exclusive when I can hear the same thing in a bunch of other places?
 
WKND92 "anything you can do I can do better" isn't the best tactic to take when asking for a job but I guess you're not really asking for a job. Anyway as far as being a Coast captive at work I'd look for another job.
 
aqualung....not looking for a gig; but it isn't a hard thing to do to make sure in a 6-7 hour span you don't play a song twice...really easy when it is a current song and you have a 6-7 hour ratation anyway; but when you are playing a gold twice in a day, bad news.....that is why Selector is a simply wonderous program...makes me wonder if they even have it there, which makes it more sad.

Don't hate me because I actually brought a cogent thought to this board.........
 
Today I heard that duet by Faith Hill and Tim McGraw then scanning around I was back less than 10 minutes later and heard Breathe by Faith Hill so they're not that good at artist separation either. Not that I doubt you but I still can't believe Turn The Beat Around 4 times in one day. Every so often the music there improves then they go back to constant repetition.
 
Feral...no word of a lie...and the girl on the other side of the cube from me almost said the same thing I did in stereo when play #3 came up..."didn't we just hear this about an hour ago!?!"

As far as artist separation these days, it is horrible across the board as I can hear on Pro, Fun, Kiss & Mix Justin or Nelly Furtado and within the hour hear Timabland's song.

I can remember how heinous it was 15 years ago when at Pro our Top 6 songs were 2 Mariah songs, 2 Rod Stewart songs (from the Unplugged album), a Sting song and then the All for Love song by Rod, Sting and Bryan Adams (and Bryan Adams had a song in our secondary category). Lot's of creativity to maintain artist separation and not repeating a song within 2 hours....ah that was when radio was fun!
 
Hi all:

As you can see, this is my first post to these boards though I've read them for some time. Chatter about the industry from professionals can be interesting, although I've often wondered just who are the people who post, since few users seem to use their real name.

Here's the thing: I think with these kinds of forums (much like broadcast radio), it's way too easy for people to put something out there as fact, that's either partially or completely wrong, watch as others pile on, and then step away with little or no accountability.

If you listen to Coast, you know I'm on the air every afternoon. I'm also the music director. After reading the posts below, I checked the music logs to see when we might have played "Turn The Beat Around" four times in a single day. I went back 2 months, and it just never happened. We do play two versions of the song by different artists, (it's a great tune and does very well for us) and, yes, the two versions might sometimes play 4 or 5 hours apart, but four times in one day? Nope. In fact, it would be difficult to somehow schedule it three times in one day.

"Crazy" by Gnarles Barkley and "Irreplaceable" by Beyonce? It's played twice a day on Coast. That's it.

I also checked Friday's log to see how I could have played a Faith Hill/Tim McGraw duet 10 minutes away from Faith Hill, and, again, it didn't happen. We do play both songs, but the Faith Hill song played in the 4pm hour, and the Tim McGraw/Faith Hill duet at 8am.

Not sure what you think you heard... maybe you flipped away and came back, hearing the song on some other station (a mistake listeners frequently make). Maybe you heard the Leann Rimes that played earlier in the hour and thought it was Faith Hill (another mistake listeners make). But the posts are just wrong.

I'm not trying to start a "food fight" here, and am sure I don't personally know Feral Cat, wknd92, or aqualung, but now you know me, and if you want to chat sometime about the music at Coast, it would be pretty easy to track me down.

Let's get the story straight before putting it out there as fact.

Thanks for reading-

David O'Leary
93.3 Coast FM
 
David (et al)-

I always love the, "you guys play the same songs every hour" BS. April Fool's Day, I'm thinking about doing just that...so everyone knows what it would sound like if we really DID that!
 
Even though the same song is never purposely scheduled four times in one day, Is it possible to have glitches in automation that could make this happen?
 
The problem isn't so much as if it really happened or not, but rather the perception of it all. Lots of listeners complain about repetition. Like David said, maybe an individual stepped out for a bit and came back hours later to find the same song on, thuis the perception of heavy repetition. With that complaint being NUMBER ONE among most radio listeners, it amazes me that the radio industry refuses to do anything about it
 
It would have to be someone saving a file in the wrong spot, I've only ever worked with ENCO, but the only way for the automation to play something wrong is if someone saved something over something else. In that case it would be fairly noticable to the Jock/Board Operator that something was labeled incorrectly and bring it to the attention of the PD/MD
 
Here's why.

RadioNut said:
the perception of heavy repetition. With that complaint being NUMBER ONE among most radio listeners, it amazes me that the radio industry refuses to do anything about it
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People say they don't like repetition, yet they want to hear the song THEY want to hear soon after turning the station/radio on. So, stations play the most demanded songs in varying short rotations, so they're more likely to play that "demanded" song when the listener is listening for it.

Most won't wait for hours and hours. And those that will probably have other media (mp3 players, CDs). Most radio people are passive listeners.
 
ok, i'll give you that, but why is it assumed that there are only a couple dozen, IF THAT, of songs that people want to hear.
 
David, wish I had the day marked down on my calendar; but it happened....and being a former programmer (handled Lite for 2 yrs w/ Tom Holt & was asst to David S/Tony M at Pro prior), that is why it stuck out.

If you do play Gnarls Barkley "Crazy" and/or Beyonce "Irreplacable" twice during the workday, you can't have the jocks claiming a no repeat workday...I'm not looking to start a peeing fight, I'm just pointing something out.

Also, the poster about the Hill/McGraw duet and then Breathe, I don't think they said a station and seeing as the thread is WSNE and Lite...was probably Lite.

I know it is a thankless job (believe me, I know), just pointing out what I have heard....
 
"Crazy" by Gnarles Barkley and "Irreplaceable" by Beyonce? It's played twice a day on Coast. That's it.
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If you do play Gnarls Barkley "Crazy" and/or Beyonce "Irreplacable" twice during the workday, you can't have the jocks claiming a no repeat workday...I'm not looking to start a peeing fight, I'm just pointing something out.
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What I said was we play it twice a day, not twice during the workday... as in 5 in the morning, and 4 in the afternoon. Sorry if this wasn't clear to you.

David, wish I had the day marked down on my calendar; but it happened....
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I'm sure you think that you may have heard this, but I'm also certain that it didn't happen on Coast (at least not in the past 2 months.) I don't think it's helpful or productive to back and forth about it on an Internet discussion board with someone I've never met; but I'll point out what I'm sure you already know; that it's an extraordinary difficult thing make happen (even on purpose), and a really easy thing to verify one way or the other after the fact. It just never occurred. Give me a call or drop me an email, let me know who your are and I'm happy to talk with you about it.

I know it is a thankless job
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For me, I'm not sure I agree with the thankless part (at least not often). It is challenging, and your work is always out there for listeners and colleagues to comment on. Like I said in my original post, I'm fine with that, as long as listeners (and colleagues) have their story straight. And anyone who's worked in radio can tell you that's not always the case.

Thanks again for reading-

D.
 
Dave,

I will most assuredly give you a call or drop you an email. What I meant in the part of "Thankless job" is that no matter what, pleasing some people means you incur the wrath of others....you can't please all the people all of the time.

Also, depending upon your constraints (library, research/auditorium results, spot load, etc), you run into situations in terms of playing tunes (more at a CHR vs your format) where you may have to compromise artist separation, title separation, etc....these are things I know. I'll give you some more concrete examples of what I am talking about to illustrate. Like I said at the beginning of the thread, my main complaint was the "No repeat workday" moniker as there is repetition...that's all.
 
No repeat seems like it should be pretty cut and dry to me. If we are all speaking English here, than "No Repeat" means you don't play the same song twice. Seems simple. If you are going to repeat songs than stop lying to your listeners. It's Not a No Repeat Work day then. My comment is geared towards any station that pulls that stunt.
 
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