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"Merv Griffin's Crosswords" questions

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Yes I know I am 3 years late on this, but maybe someone who has watched this show intently can answer for me.....

I admit, I could not sit through a whole show of this to figure it out....

(1) Due to the "spoiler" situation, could not a player answer only *one* clue in the whole show, yet win the game?

(2) As Merv passed away during production, did anyone ever say if he approved of the rules the way it ended up on TV?

That's all. BTW if anyone has MyFamilyTV, they can still be subjected to this thing, daily! :)

cd
 
On number 2, no idea. But on 1, yes, it would be possible, if unlikely.
 
Merci beaucoup. As to one answer winning, it's not far removed from Tom Kennedy's "Split Second" Countdown Round, which I never thought was quite fair; but it did run 3 to 4 years.

cd
 
Was Merv Griffin still tinkering with the show just before his final illness--and could the complex game play in the show we saw (which premiered two months after he died in 2007) possibly be the result of his leaving the work unfinished, with producers struggling to try to get the show into airable shape in his absence?

Another consideration--did they NEED to throw a lot of different wrinkles into the show in order to differentiate it from an earlier Ralph Edwards creation, "The Cross-Wits", based on a similar but simpler crossword format and airing for several years in the 1970s with Jack Clark as host?
 
Bob1370 said:
Was Merv Griffin still tinkering with the show just before his final illness--and could the complex game play in the show we saw (which premiered two months after he died in 2007) possibly be the result of his leaving the work unfinished, with producers struggling to try to get the show into airable shape in his absence?

Another consideration--did they NEED to throw a lot of different wrinkles into the show in order to differentiate it from an earlier Ralph Edwards creation, "The Cross-Wits", based on a similar but simpler crossword format and airing for several years in the 1970s with Jack Clark as host?

Well basically your first question is another way of putting my own question in the OP. Apparently this might be a well-kept secret, and contacting *any* of the staff today wouldn't help. I could be wrong, but I just can't picture Merv "Jeopardy!" Griffin doing the "spoiler" thing. At all. (And....would Merv have approved of the canned applause/no studio audience?)

And yes I would think they would have had to differentiate "MGC" enough from "Cross-Wits" to keep Edwards' estate from getting their lawyers on the phone. Ralph died in 2005, per Wiki.

Oh & BTW, Griffin's treatment of ABC's "Monopoly" in 1990 wasn't much different, in the way of clues, than "MGC".

cd
 
I am, years after he did his last talk show and after he died,
still a fan of Merv's (I'd like to revive his talk-show format myself),
and consider "Jeopardy!" and "Wheel Of Fortune" to be acts of genius.
But I find it strange that those two shows are simple in concept (even
if the clues on "Jeopardy!" aren't), but most of his other games were
extremely complicated, "Crosswords" and "Monopoly" being the prime
examples, but so was "Joe Garagiola's Memory Game."

The crossword puzzle has not been easy to translate into a viable
game format; yes, "Cross-Wits" was very successful, but long before
that, in 1959, ABC tried one called "Across The Board" with WNEW DJ
Ted Brown as host. I don't think that one lasted as long as "Crosswords"
did.

Bob Noah, who produced the Chuck Woolery-hosted "Scrabble" for Reg
Grundy, once said that some games are better played than watched; TV
"Scrabble" bore little resemblance to the board game (but worked nonetheless).
I know that's true of seek-a-word puzzles (remember how "Now You See It" was constantly
in search of a format?) and I guess it's true of crossword puzzles too.
 
^ Did you watch Joe G's Memory Game? You & I may have been the only ones! I did kinda like the hot-potato format (not related to the Cullen show HP) though.

Wesley Hyatt's "Encyclopedia of Daytime Television" says that Merv asked that his name be removed from credits (I have to have the book handy riht now to read the actual wording), although ISTR distinctly the "Griffin" logo at the end.

But yes, some games are better played than watched.

cd
 
^ Not that I know of, but I have the book at home; I'm not at home right now :)
 
Griffin, like Goodson, had some gems and some head scratching clunkers. Happens to the best of them.
 
Griffin seemed to have this knack of sometimes picking people from other walks of life and saying to them, "wanna be a star?"....Mike Reilly (Monopoly) IIRC was a waiter, wasn't he? Rolf Benirschke (sp?), an NFL kicker....I think I read that even Art Fleming was doing something unrelated to TV. Merv definitely struck gold with the last one there.... :)

BTW, the Hyatt book said re Memory Game: Merv G asked that his name be removed from the final product; his NYC roduction company created the series while he was in Hollywood. (I still kinda liked the show; but NBC losing Monty's "Let's Make a Deal" to ABC was a dagger in NBC's lineup. Of course, I was 12 at the time.....)

cd
 
cd637299 said:
Griffin seemed to have this knack of sometimes picking people from other walks of life and saying to them, "wanna be a star?"....Mike Reilly (Monopoly) IIRC was a waiter, wasn't he? Rolf Benirschke (sp?), an NFL kicker....I think I read that even Art Fleming was doing something unrelated to TV. Merv definitely struck gold with the last one there.... :)

BTW, the Hyatt book said re Memory Game: Merv G asked that his name be removed from the final product; his NYC roduction company created the series while he was in Hollywood. (I still kinda liked the show; but NBC losing Monty's "Let's Make a Deal" to ABC was a dagger in NBC's lineup. Of course, I was 12 at the time.....)

cd

When Monty moved "LMAD" to ABC as part of a block with "Newlywed Game," "Dating Game," "General Hospital," "One Life To Live," and "Dark Shadows" (and, later, "Password," "Split Second," and "All My Children") ABC's ratings jumped to number two, while NBC's dropped to third. Between the loss of "Deal" in 1968 and the expansion of "Days Of Our Lives" to an hour in 1975,
NBC was able to come up with exactly one show which filled the 1:30/12:30 slot for more than a few months; Bill Cullen's
"Three On A Match" lasted from 1971 to 1974.

Jefferson Graham's book on game shows says that Art Fleming was anchoring the 11 PM news on Channel 4 in New York when Merv saw him; Fleming had done some acting in the '50s, namely on the Western "The Californians." Pat Sajak was a weathercaster on Channel 4 in Los Angeles; Chuck Woolery had been a guest on Merv's show when he was trying to establish himself as a country singer (he proved to be a better talker than singer). Mike Reilly had been a contestant on "Jeopardy!" and had impressed Merv with his outgoing personality. Bill Mazer ("Reach For The Stars") was a sportscaster; Danny O'Neill ("One In A Million") was a singer. Only a few had prior hosting experience: Trebek, of course, but also Don Morrow ("Let's Play Post Office," and "Camouflage" for another producer before that) and Bob Goen (the '80s version of "Perfect Match" before he became the last host of the network version of "Wheel").

Still, you can't blame Merv for reaching beyond the Cullens, Barkers, Rayburns, and Luddens; Sajak, Trebek and Woolery owe their success in large part to him, and in Woolery's case, had it not been for Merv he might have ended up scrounging on the fringes of show business.

Slightly off-topic, I can think of two other producers who were willing to go beyond the obvious hosts: Chuck Barris hired Jim Lange after Tennessee Ernie Ford's daytime show ended, and Bob Eubanks when he was best known for promoting the Beatles' first West Coast concert (Barris also hired himself to host "The Gong Show"). Merrill Heatter had the good sense to pick Peter Marshall over the more dramatic Bert Parks to host "Hollywood Squares"; he gave Trebek his first big break with "High Rollers" (Trebek had done the unsuccessful "Wizard Of Odds" for Alan Thicke) and Wink Martindale his with "Gambit" (he'd hosted several short-lived games before that one clicked in '72). Heatter also hired Monty Hall to replace Jack Narz on "Video Village" when Hall's U.S. exposure had been limited mainly to hosting old Westerns on "Cowboy Theater" and subbing for Jack Barry on "Twenty-One."
 
In scrounging around for old advertisments and stories to use in my Vintage Cleveland Media Blog/Facebook Page, I came across this ad for a 6-hour live Rock Concert/Comedy Special aired by WEWS-TV 5 in Cleveland on May 14, 1970 and sponsored by May Company..

http://www.flickr.com/photos/16285322@N02/6114100535/sizes/l/in/photostream/

"Introducing Columbia's New recording artist, Chuck Woolery"

"Ghoul" Ernie Anderson and New York TV Star Chuck McCann did some comedy bits..
 
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