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Mets & Yankees radio broadcast question....HD or No HD ?

xmradiopro

xmradiopro

Anyone know why The Yankees are using HD for their broadcast at night and the Mets aren't ?
I realize before during testing for night time HD broadcast both stations elected to not broadcast in HD to avoid interference, however now that HD is permitted at night why would the Mets not be using their HD for their remaining broadcasts ? I believe the Mets did broadcast a few nighttime games in HD at night but now they stopped where the Yankees are continuing. Anyone know why Yankees are using HD and the Mets aren't ?
 
MusicRadioUSA said:
Anyone know why The Yankees are using HD for their broadcast at night and the Mets aren't ?
I realize before during testing for night time HD broadcast both stations elected to not broadcast in HD to avoid interference, however now that HD is permitted at night why would the Mets not be using their HD for their remaining broadcasts ? I believe the Mets did broadcast a few nighttime games in HD at night but now they stopped where the Yankees are continuing. Anyone know why Yankees are using HD and the Mets aren't ?
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Until September 14th, it was illegal (against FCC regulations) for AM stations to run IBOC at night. It wasn't a matter of the stations electing not to do it.

After the 14th, it's my understanding that certain stations chose not to run it at night so that people listening to the game on the radio at the ballpark or watching it on TV would have the radio broadcast "line up". The IBOC encoding process introduces a several second delay in the audio - and the same delay is usually intentionally induced in the *analog* audio. (so that it will "blend" properly if the digital signal fades. I heard one station that didn't do that - when the HD faded in, I'd hear what I'd heard on the analog 8 seconds ago!) At this point interference wasn't part of the decision.

I guess whoever's broadcasting the Mets isn't worried about things not lining up.
 
For WCBS, I think they have it off only for home games so fans can be in sync in the stands. Tonight they are in Baltimore.
 
I have heard WCBS in Palm Bay Florida at night. I used to get 660, 770, and 880 every night in the late 70s till about 2002. I listened to the world series games on WCBS from 96 -2001. And pretty much anywhere from Georgia up you can hear WCBS, Wabc and WFAN. on a car radio or a good portable. (They are hard to find though)
 
I'm sure that WCBS appreciates that it can be heard up and down the east coast at night, but these locales are neither in their "primary coverage area" nor does WCBS gain any additional business by selling advertising in these markets. There is at least one person on this message board who will vehemently argue this point, and rightly so. He is technically correct.

So I believe that what WCBS is (and perhaps WFAN are?) doing is exactly as wgliradio describes and I also suspect that someday soon, having radios in sync in the stands for home games will not be as much of an issue and the HD signal will remain on even during home games.

This is what we have now with AM HD radio in our lives. I'm afraid that the program delays due to digital delivery are here to stay unless the commission ultimately wises up and gets rid of it on the AM broadcast band where it has done not much more than create a number of analog problems for it, everywhere.
 
Cal Stymes said:
This is what we have now with AM HD radio in our lives. I'm afraid that the program delays due to digital delivery are here to stay unless the commission ultimately wises up and gets rid of it on the AM broadcast band where it has done not much more than create a number of analog problems for it, everywhere.
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That remark is misleading. Any station AM-FM using digital audio processing -which is probably all of NYC no longer have "air in the cans' the delay is well documented by companies such as Orban which suggest using a side chain for monitoring. IBOC is only an addition to this.

AM iboc is having it's day, you might aswell stop making misleading, half-truth statements.

Lino

Lino
 
So we can't blame the Mets' epic collapse on the usage of IBOC and HD? Dang! :-\
 
I opined:

This is what we have now with AM HD radio in our lives. I'm afraid that the program delays due to digital delivery are here to stay unless the commission ultimately wises up and gets rid of it on the AM broadcast band where it has done not much more than create a number of analog problems for it, everywhere.
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And LinoNYC chastised:

That remark is misleading.
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That "remark" is my opinion.

Any station AM-FM using digital audio processing -which is probably all of NYC no longer have "air in the cans' the delay is well documented by companies such as Orban which suggest using a side chain for monitoring. IBOC is only an addition to this.
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Of course AM HD is in addition to digital audio processing. All 8.4 seconds of it. I don't think the meaning of what I wrote was intended to confuse and obfuscate. People at ballparks don't object to the delays of digital processing. They object to the delays of AM HD.

AM iboc is having it's day, you might as well stop making misleading, half-truth statements.
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It isn't a half truth. It is my opinion and I expressed it. It is also my opinion that if we're all lucky, AM IBOC's day will will run out. If we're not lucky and it is here to stay, then unless it is re-engineered (unlikely!) we will also have analog problems here to stay. The system really doesn't work very well. It's really as simple as that. Again, that is my opinion.

You likely have a different opinion from mine and I promise not to consider it "misleading" or a "half-truth".
 
It isn't a half truth. It is my opinion and I expressed it. It is also my opinion that if we're all lucky, AM IBOC's day will will run out. If we're not lucky and it is here to stay, then unless it is re-engineered (unlikely!) we will also have analog problems here to stay. The system really doesn't work very well. It's really as simple as that. Again, that is my opinion.

You likely have a different opinion from mine and I promise not to consider it "misleading" or a "half-truth".
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Well, "Cal" you and a few other self-appointed guardians of AM's dimming flame have made the "HD" board your personal shooting gallery for anyone daring to express positive opinions about this system.

You have helped make that forum a joke.

If you are going to now visit other boards where you are not so well known and express "opinions" as fact -you can expect to be called on it.

Lino
 
LinoNYC definitively stated:

Well, "Cal" you and a few other self-appointed guardians of AM's dimming flame have made the "HD" board your personal shooting gallery for anyone daring to express positive opinions about this system.
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Shooting gallery? I think not. If you can tell me why the AM IBOC system is terrific and something that I should invest in then I will gladly run out and purchase a newer receiver. But so far, I don't think it works very well. That is just my own opinion, although I think that ultimately the broadcast industry will end up deciding that for itself.

I also don't think that AM's flame is dimming. I find that the AM stations to which I listen have very good programming and they are also doing relatively well in the standings. I believe they are even still turning profits. But if they keep HD on they will eventually create enough analog noise on the AM broadcast band to wipe themselves out. Although it has recently been credited to Tom Wells, I think I can state with a fair amount of certainty that I was the first person to suggest (on this here message board) that my analog radios worked quite well until iBiquity decided to break them for me.

You have helped make that forum a joke.
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A joke? Oh come now. Everyone expresses opinions there, including you and me. What formerly made that forum a joke was a particularly irritating individual who did nothing much more than post URLs to meaningless blogs and other links. And he was negative about IBOC, but I'll be the first to say that he was a fool and he had little common sense in the etiquette of message board posting which of course made all of us who also have negative opinions about IBOC look rather bad to have him among our ranks. It is a relief that he no longer seems to be around.

If you are going to now visit other boards where you are not so well known and express "opinions" as fact - you can expect to be called on it.
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I state nothing as fact. And I am not well known anywhere which is the way I like it! Why should I go to another message board when as far as I'm concerned, this here message board has the best dialogue I have seen anywhere about IBOC issues. The cross section of people and opinions that get posted here are truly magnificent and I am receiving quite an education!
 
DToTheJ said:
So we can't blame the Mets' epic collapse on the usage of IBOC and HD? Dang! :-\
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No, cuz AM 66 turns the HD off before the game actually starts. I've heard it being done when I listen to the game. Signal is all hissy and then it miraculously clears up with the press of a button. ::) :D

We'll always have next year..... :-\
 
A joke? Oh come now. Everyone expresses opinions there, including you and me. What formerly made that forum a joke was a particularly irritating individual who did nothing much more than post URLs to meaningless blogs and other links. And he was negative about IBOC, but I'll be the first to say that he was a fool and he had little common sense in the etiquette of message board posting which of course made all of us who also have negative opinions about IBOC look rather bad to have him among our ranks. It is a relief that he no longer seems to be around.
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As a recent reader of the "HD board", I don't know of or care about the individual you refer to. I do that you and several others have brought a level of arrogance and sarcasm that I expect would not be present if we met face-to-face. It's easy to hide behind a keyboard and it goes with the territory.

The "shooting gallery" comment applies and it has no doubt turned away those interested in a discussion of the topic and it's implications for the future of radio.

Thanks alot.

Lino
 
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