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Mexico Gets the Buzz...

I can't think of anything more appropriate: the most corrupt government in the hemisphere is the lone example of a country recently adopting HD Radio.

"Narcoterror on the side channels!!" :D (When they work.....)
 
I'm curious, how does Mexico's FM channel spacing and separation compare to the US? If their channels are packed more closely together, I could see HD really not working there, like it's not working in the northeast US with the tight spacing there.
 
Zach said:
I'm curious, how does Mexico's FM channel spacing and separation compare to the US? If their channels are packed more closely together, I could see HD really not working there, like it's not working in the northeast US with the tight spacing there.

Outside the border areas, powers are generally higher and spacing is closer. But, due to the way channels are allocated, there are far less second adjacents near big city stations... like a 98.3 )A) and 98.7 (B) in the LA metro. So there may be a 98.1 in a big city, and a 98.7, and thus more tightly packed full coverage stations, but less stations in close adjacency on second adjacents. In part, this comes from the way most of Latin American cities develop: most cities do not have dozens of separately incorporated suburbs... cites just grow outwards to include newly urbanized areas. So the whole idea of communities is more centralized.

And this is what makes it possible for HD to exist, and what also is allowing Mexico to move about 75% of its AMs to FM, in a plan that began several years ago. Already, the entire zone from Tabasco to Ucatan and Quintana Roo is now "AM Free."
 
Savage said:
I can't think of anything more appropriate: the most corrupt government in the hemisphere is the lone example of a country recently adopting HD Radio.

Of course, 99% of the population is decent and hard working but their lives are impacted by the enormous negative influence of a country with three times the population with an insatiable appetite for drugs.
 
DavidEduardo said:
And this is what makes it possible for HD to exist, and what also is allowing Mexico to move about 75% of its AMs to FM, in a plan that began several years ago. Already, the entire zone from Tabasco to Ucatan and Quintana Roo is now "AM Free."

Do you know if any of the American AMs can now be heard along the coastal areas of Tabasco or Yucatan? Seems like with a clear dial there wouldn't be much to stop them. Some of the coastal stations around here seem to put massive amounts of energy due south.
 
There is absolutely no question about that, David. In no way did I mean to denigrate the Mexican people. They're victimized far more frequently than Americans are.

Both Washington and Mexico City COULD bring an end to all this, but neither government is particularly interested.

And now, to prevent this post from being too OT: I would predict that HD Radio in Mexico will have approximately the same track record as is has in the USA. (At best.)
 
Savage said:
There is absolutely no question about that, David. In no way did I mean to denigrate the Mexican people. They're victimized far more frequently than Americans are.

Both Washington and Mexico City COULD bring an end to all this, but neither government is particularly interested.

And now, to prevent this post from being too OT: I would predict that HD Radio in Mexico will have approximately the same track record as is has in the USA. (At best.)

Radio ad revenue is growing in the major markets of Mexico, and Mexico City has more stations billing over $10 million (U.S.) than New York City does. That makes the cost of HD a relatively small percentage of revenues. Further, the power levels on the large market FMs tends to be much higher than in the US, so HD coverage will be extensive. Since the stations likely to use HD are the ones appealing to the higher income segments (Called A, B and C+) where "snobísmo" or snob appeal is highest, having HD might be much more attractive (I had the same experience when taking an FM to stereo in 1967... there were no receivers, but the image enhancement was worth the investment).
 
Zach said:
DavidEduardo said:
And this is what makes it possible for HD to exist, and what also is allowing Mexico to move about 75% of its AMs to FM, in a plan that began several years ago. Already, the entire zone from Tabasco to Ucatan and Quintana Roo is now "AM Free."

Do you know if any of the American AMs can now be heard along the coastal areas of Tabasco or Yucatan? Seems like with a clear dial there wouldn't be much to stop them. Some of the coastal stations around here seem to put massive amounts of energy due south.

I know of coastal US AMs (stations in Mexico are "American" too... as are all stations in North, South and Central America) that could be heard on a car radio in Quito Ecuador before stations discovered that frequencies below 900 on AM were viable. 710 in Miami, 740 in Houston, 870 in New Orleans, and occasional regional channel stations like 790 from Houston made it in when the nearer stations were lost in equatorial conditions.

But that is night reception, and we know how radio usage at night declines. Of course, with most US AMs doing talk, I doubt there would be too much interest in Campeche or Mérida or Villahermosa in listening to Savage or whatever is on at night...
 
DavidEduardo said:
(I had the same experience when taking an FM to stereo in 1967... there were no receivers, but the image enhancement was worth the investment).
The "Fisher 200(T)" was such a unit. It was sold through Lafayette Electronics at the time.( no AM) Sold with and without the wooden cabinet.

Combo TV units had stereo.

They were out there for those who were listening.

Jeff in Sa-ra-so-ta!
 
If FM stations want the image of being in HD, they can just claim that without making the investment. Nobody has the receivers, and in America they're on a fire sale.
 
Nick said:
If FM stations want the image of being in HD, they can just claim that without making the investment. Nobody has the receivers, and in America they're on a fire sale.

Mexico is in America, too.
 
Zach said:
DavidEduardo said:
Mexico is in America, too.

Do you happen to know if any US-spec HD receivers are being sold in Mexico? I can't imagine a company not selling HD-equipped radios in Mexico or Canada since the rest of the receiver works just fine for anyone else on our bandplan.

I don't think anything is being marketed yet. While HD has been authorized for several years for border zone FMs in Mexico, that was principally allowed to not put the Mexican stations at a disadvantage in the cross-border markets.

There are no HD stations running elsewhere, as the tests done in Mexico City were, IIRC, just temporary.
 
DavidEduardo said:
Nick said:
If FM stations want the image of being in HD, they can just claim that without making the investment. Nobody has the receivers, and in America they're on a fire sale.

Mexico is in America, too.

Well, Central America.

That "fence" is a separation of "continents" and cultures.

Jeff in Sa-ra-so-ta!
 
Which "fence" was that?? ;) :D

(Pretty good trick: two entire continents separated by six miles of actual fence!)

What we really need is another Dr. John Brinkley to bring these two countries together. And think about the positive economic impact! I can't think of a more appropriate use for HD Radio! "The Goat Gland Channel on HD-2!" ;D
 
Savage said:
Which "fence" was that?? ;) :D

(Pretty good trick: two entire continents separated by six miles of actual fence!)

What we really need is another Dr. John Brinkley to bring these two countries together. And think about the positive economic impact! I can't think of a more appropriate use for HD Radio! "The Goat Gland Channel on HD-2!" ;D
Politics trumps everything, my friend.

Jeff in Sa-ra-so-ta!
 
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