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Miami Trends - Rush slipping in 25-54, Schultz pulls ahead, Franken gains

http://rawstory.com/news/2005/Libera> l_talk_radio_trends_ahead_of_Limbaugh_among_2554_i_0711.html
>

I think that quote in the story “In his own backyard, how can Limbaugh lose to a liberal talker? What am I doing with a 3.4 and he’s sitting with a 3.2?” Schultz asked RAW STORY in a telephone interview this morning. “We come a long way from being the poor little guy from North Dakota.” is kinda funny.

Is Schultz predending not to know that the Miami and Palm Beach markets comprise a big blue three-county stain on an otherwise red state?

Nor does the article mention that Clear Channel is playing both sides. They own WIOD and WINZ. No matter who wins this battle, they win.

See story and picture under Talk Radio Billboard Wars in June Radio News.

73s from 954<P ID="signature">______________
* Randi Rhodes, before she became famous

* History of WGMA
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Actually Miami has many conservative talk radio listeners...

The problem is, they speak Spanish and prefer their talk radio that way as well...
Actually the Central Florida corridor would be sort of red-violet. Orlando is trending toward the Democrats long term thanks to the Puerto Rican vote, and Pinellas County has been close to 50-50 in the last two elections. Now that Northeasterners have filled up the I-95 corridor, some are heading down I-4. Then you have Gainesville and Tallahassee, two college towns. After all that, the rest of Florida is red.

> http://rawstory.com/news/2005/Libera>
> l_talk_radio_trends_ahead_of_Limbaugh_among_2554_i_0711.html
>
> >
>
> I think that quote in the story “In his own backyard, how
> can Limbaugh lose to a liberal talker? What am I doing with
> a 3.4 and he’s sitting with a 3.2?” Schultz asked RAW STORY
> in a telephone interview this morning. “We come a long way
> from being the poor little guy from North Dakota.” is kinda
> funny.
>
> Is Schultz predending not to know that the Miami and Palm
> Beach markets comprise a big blue three-county stain on an
> otherwise red state?
>
> Nor does the article mention that Clear Channel is playing
> both sides. They own WIOD and WINZ. No matter who wins this
> battle, they win.
>
> See story and picture under Talk Radio Billboard Wars in
> June Radio News.
>
> 73s from 954
>
 
http://rawstory.com/news/2005/Libera> l_talk_radio_trends_ahead_of_Limbaugh_among_2554_i_0711.html
>
>
>
> Link covers some rating data (trends) for Miami area
> broadcasting.....good news for Liberal Radio....victory not
> complete by a long shot but every little bit helps,..hope it
> holds until the next book is out...
>
> Im no Schultz fan....but even ill give him his kudos if he
> kicks some pill popping butt in the next book...
>

Sorry to rain on the parade, but those don't look like trend numbers...I am suspecting they are monthly extrapolations, and anyone in the business - especially South Florida - knows those numbers fluctuate wildly. PLus, this business of comparing Rush to Schulz doesn't make sense..they are on at different times. Comparing share numbers from different dayparts is comparing apples and oranges. Sounds like this on line aryicle was written by someone who knows nothing about radio - and sourced by someone who knows...only very little.
 
> Is Schultz predending not to know that the Miami and Palm
> Beach markets comprise a big blue three-county stain on an
> otherwise red state?

Miami is hardly 'commielib.' :) Florida flip flops back and forth on elections all the time. It's southern conservative base is potent in north Florida and the Panhandle, but trends moderate as you head south.

The only important news out of this is that it trashes the oft-repeated claim that nobody wants to hear liberal talk. That still comes out of O'Reilly's mouth on a regular basis.

In the end, I'll bet you'll see a close parity in the ratings, depending on the quality of the host. We're a closely divided country.
 
http://rawstory.com/news/2005/Libera> l_talk_radio_trends_ahead_of_Limbaugh_among_2554_i_0711.html
>
>
>
> Link covers some rating data (trends) for Miami area
> broadcasting.....good news for Liberal Radio....victory not
> complete by a long shot but every little bit helps,..hope it
> holds until the next book is out...
>
> Im no Schultz fan....but even ill give him his kudos if he
> kicks some pill popping butt in the next book...

Is this from the Winter Book or a later trend?
 
> I read two responses to this and they both wrote a lot but
> totally missed the point.
>
> It is no big deal that Schultz beats Rush in south Florida.
> It's a very liberal area.
>
> 73s from 954

I don't know why you critics of Liberal Talk radio always attempt to minimize AAR's few success stories by claiming that it's only because the market involved is "a very liberal area." The fact is that 17 or the top 20 markets are blue (i.e. they tend to go Democratic in national elections) Not surprisingly most AAR stations are in the top markets and they are still struggling for ratings in this environment.
 
> > It is no big deal that Schultz beats Rush in south
> Florida.
> > It's a very liberal area.
> >
> > 73s from 954
>
> I don't know why you critics of Liberal Talk radio

"You critics"????

Read my lips. I didn't criticize it. I even have an article about Randi on my web site.

You find the URL in this thread.

73s from 954<P ID="signature">______________
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June 2005 Radio News</P>
 
> http://rawstory.com/news/2005/Libera>
> l_talk_radio_trends_ahead_of_Limbaugh_among_2554_i_0711.html
>
> >
> >
> >
> > Link covers some rating data (trends) for Miami area
> > broadcasting.....good news for Liberal Radio....victory
> not
> > complete by a long shot but every little bit helps,..hope
> it
> > holds until the next book is out...
> >
> > Im no Schultz fan....but even ill give him his kudos if he
>
> > kicks some pill popping butt in the next book...
>
> Is this from the Winter Book or a later trend?
>
These numbers are not even close to the "trends" or any recent book - my guess they are using discreet monthly extrapolations, an average of three months makes a trend...these numbers just represent just one of those months - and they aren't even weighted. Anyone who knows about extraps would tell you these numbers, by themselves, are useless. By the way, it's impossible for Ed to beat Rush - they are on at different times! <P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by RatchetUp on 07/13/05 01:38 AM.</FONT></P>
 
> http://rawstory.com/news/2005/Libera>
> l_talk_radio_trends_ahead_of_Limbaugh_among_2554_i_0711.html
>
> >
> >
> >
> > Link covers some rating data (trends) for Miami area
> > broadcasting.....good news for Liberal Radio....victory
> not
> > complete by a long shot but every little bit helps,..hope
> it
> > holds until the next book is out...
> >
> > Im no Schultz fan....but even ill give him his kudos if he
>
> > kicks some pill popping butt in the next book...
>
> Is this from the Winter Book or a later trend?

my understanding is that this is the spring book..but others have countered that this is not trend but instead extrapolation data.
>
 
> > I read two responses to this and they both wrote a lot but
>
> > totally missed the point.
> >
> > It is no big deal that Schultz beats Rush in south
> Florida.
> > It's a very liberal area.
> >
> > 73s from 954
>
> I don't know why you critics of Liberal Talk radio always
> attempt to minimize AAR's few success stories by claiming
> that it's only because the market involved is "a very
> liberal area." The fact is that 17 or the top 20 markets
> are blue (i.e. they tend to go Democratic in national
> elections) Not surprisingly most AAR stations are in the
> top markets and they are still struggling for ratings in
> this environment.
>


Annnnnnd, again if someone says ANYTHING that even RESEMBLES soemthing negative about AAR, they get jumped all over.

No different that the original poster calling Rush "the pill popper".

At some point cant we just offer opinions with out name calling????

It gets SOOOOO OLD.

Have a nice day
 
> my understanding is that this is the spring book..but others
> have countered that this is not trend but instead
> extrapolation data.


Spring book is not out yet. If it is an "extraopolation" it is has very little value or credibility.
 
> Annnnnnd, again if someone says ANYTHING that even RESEMBLES
> soemthing negative about AAR, they get jumped all over.
>
> No different that the original poster calling Rush "the pill
> popper".
>
> At some point cant we just offer opinions with out name
> calling????
>
> It gets SOOOOO OLD.
>
> Have a nice day

What name did I call anybody? Here's my post. Tell me what you found so offensive.

> > I don't know why you critics of Liberal Talk radio always
> > attempt to minimize AAR's few success stories by claiming
> > that it's only because the market involved is "a very
> > liberal area." The fact is that 17 or the top 20 markets
> > are blue (i.e. they tend to go Democratic in national
> > elections) Not surprisingly most AAR stations are in the
> > top markets and they are still struggling for ratings in
> > this environment.

I was making a simple point. It seems every time an AAR station reports a ratings success, someone makes says well that's because the market is a "liberal" one. I went of to say that since 17 of the top 20 markets trend "Democratic" or "liberal" this seems to be a poor argument because, as I went on to say, AAR ratings stink in most of these markets.

Again, what did you find so offensive???????????
 
> I was making a simple point. It seems every time an AAR
> station reports a ratings success, someone makes says well
> that's because the market is a "liberal" one. I went of to
> say that since 17 of the top 20 markets trend "Democratic"
> or "liberal" this seems to be a poor argument because, as I
> went on to say, AAR ratings stink in most of these markets.

OK. I get your point. The Miami market being liberal is not a good explanation for Schultz's ratings because AAR doesn't do well in most liberal markets. Is that what you're saying? Then what's the reason for his success in Miami? A magic potion? Or people who didn't read the instructions before writing "Schultz" in their little books?

You see, a lot of liberals listen to Rush (some to learn something and the rest to make fun of him) but conservatives, as a rule, will puke after five minutes of Air America.

Or maybe it's just because AAR has rotten programs. Their vivious and nasty programming is not nearly as easy to listen to as Sean Hannity (even when you disagree with Hannity) or the personable Bill Bennett, Dennis Prager, and Michael Medved on Salem stations. OTOH, O'Reilly is just as hard on the ears as O'Franken.

Or, to put it another way, even when Rush is actimg like a pompous twit ("I have it right here in my formerly nicotine stained fingers"), he's still funny and educational. (Unless he talks about computers, that is.)

When you have a whole network such as Air America dedicated to the proposition the Al Qaeda is not nearly as evil as the GOP, it's not easy to take it on an empty stomach. So there go their drive-time and lunch-time audiences!

Actually I am quite relieved to hear that AAR ratings stink in the big liberal markets. Maybe people there are smarter than we give them credit for.

73s from 954<P ID="signature">______________
July 2005 Radio News
June 2005 Radio News</P>
 
> OK. I get your point. The Miami market being liberal is not
> a good explanation for Schultz's ratings because AAR doesn't
> do well in most liberal markets. Is that what you're saying?
> Then what's the reason for his success in Miami? A magic
> potion? Or people who didn't read the instructions before
> writing "Schultz" in their little books?
>
AAR is on a station in Miami with a much better signal than it has in most markets, which probably explains some of its success.

Also, hasn't Miami always been a rather weak market for Rush? WIOD has rather weak ratings for a typical news/talk station. I seem to recall some years ago local host Neil Rogers was beating Rush. I don't know if he still is.
 
> AAR is on a station in Miami with a much better signal than
> it has in most markets, which probably explains some of its
> success.
>
> Also, hasn't Miami always been a rather weak market for
> Rush? WIOD has rather weak ratings for a typical news/talk
> station. I seem to recall some years ago local host Neil
> Rogers was beating Rush. I don't know if he still is.

Well, yeah, Clear Channel was foolish for wasting such a powerful signal for AAR.

But they own about 32 stations between the Keys and the Treasure Coast, so thay can afford to blow a few.

Like I said previously, with Rush and Beck and Hannity, they have about 12 hours a day of conservative talk on WIOD. Then WIOD has Hendrie followed by Coast to Coast for the rest of the day.

Meanwhile, WINZ is liberals 24/7.

So basically, the liberals and space cadets have one and a half stations and the conservatives have just half.

And most recently, CC brought in a pair of syndicated NYC racists, called Fart and UpChuck, I think, for the morning show on WMIB "the Beat". These jerks proudly specialize in hate. Dumb F***. (Rhymes with Chuck.)

It's sad they couldn't find any local talent to surpass these jokers.

And still some people have the effrontery to call CC conservative!

Radio is quickly going to hell. And CC is way ahead of the crowd.

73s from 954<P ID="signature">______________
July 2005 Radio News
June 2005 Radio News</P>
 
> You see, a lot of liberals listen to Rush (some to learn
> something and the rest to make fun of him) but
> conservatives, as a rule, will puke after five minutes of
> Air America.

How you do know liberals don't puke with the lies of rush....? oh well i know this was a sad attempt at humor...its ok...its your joke...

> Or maybe it's just because AAR has rotten programs. Their
> vivious and nasty programming is not nearly as easy to
> listen to as Sean Hannity (even when you disagree with
> Hannity) or the personable Bill Bennett, Dennis Prager, and
> Michael Medved on Salem stations. OTOH, O'Reilly is just as
> hard on the ears as O'Franken.

I know you dont listen to AAR because its not vicious...and if you call Al Franken hard on the ears...well you arent listening...Franken spends his show focusing on a mix of interview, comedy, wonkery/policy discussion, and reach outs to the conservatives....see i know you arent listening...Mike Malloy is our closest representative of being vocal....he is angry and makes no bones about it...i find him little different from the spouting of Rush Limbaugh...both have an angry approach..but conservatives always say "But Rush is entertaining...despite his lies and his angry name calling and other antics.." but if liberals engage in a bit of the same ...its hate filled and viscious....get your talking points straight....and its not O'Franken.... he changed the name of his show months ago....
>
> Or, to put it another way, even when Rush is actimg like a
> pompous twit ("I have it right here in my formerly nicotine
> stained fingers"), he's still funny and educational. (Unless
> he talks about computers, that is.)

This is an example....of what i was saying earlier...when pompus hes fun to listen to....what a load....
>
> When you have a whole network such as Air America dedicated
> to the proposition the Al Qaeda is not nearly as evil as the
> GOP, it's not easy to take it on an empty stomach. So there
> go their drive-time and lunch-time audiences!

Not one AAR broadcaster shares that lie you just spoke...they dont like the way this president lied us into war...and make it clear....that doesnt mean they are wrong or are supporting the enemy...again Dissent is the one of the keys to a responsible democracy...
>
> Actually I am quite relieved to hear that AAR ratings stink
> in the big liberal markets. Maybe people there are smarter
> than we give them credit for.

All you have is 12+ ratings...which for the 10000th time..no marketeer advertiser or radio media org...uses as a key representation for success...AAR as in this example as well as Schultz seem to be hitting well in the key demo...I wish there was more to help show this..but we have had some proof of this as it comes out...and we know in NYC, Al Franken is #2 behind rush but ahead of O'Reilly in their time slot....im sure you might see similar ratings all over the us...the point is...that the alternative AAR/Jones/independent liberal broadcasters are beginning to catch on again....and its growing....that wont change.....
 
> AAR is on a station in Miami with a much better signal than
> it has in most markets, which probably explains some of its
> success.

see theres the point...AAR does pretty good in market where they have good signal...a lot of AAR stations don't and we all know that hurts ratings...i hope AAR will work to improve or work to get on better signals as they grow...its hurting them more than they admit at times...
>
> Also, hasn't Miami always been a rather weak market for
> Rush? WIOD has rather weak ratings for a typical news/talk
> station. I seem to recall some years ago local host Neil
> Rogers was beating Rush. I don't know if he still is.

My only problem is that when libs beat Rush there seems to be an excuse....no matter where or what the issue is....it seems that Rush cannot be seemed to have any cracks in the Armor...he might just not be as popular everywhere....as conservatives are so hard to prove at times..we take every little success as a positive move forward....i celebrate every little victory
>
 
> > You see, a lot of liberals listen to Rush (some to learn
> > something and the rest to make fun of him) but
> > conservatives, as a rule, will puke after five minutes of
> > Air America.
>
> How you do know liberals don't puke with the lies of
> rush....?

Because they're smart enough to change the
station before it gets that far?

> oh well i know this was a sad attempt at
> humor...its ok...its your joke...

73s from 954

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