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Mighty 1650 streaming!

DarkStarPDX said:
Bill DeFelice said:
What's more shocking is how many people think they are exempt from DMCA rules.
The Digital Millennium Copyright Act?

You probably mean the FCC rule regarding obscenities: http://www.fcc.gov/cgb/consumerfacts/obscene.html

Sorry, they don't give examples on the website... ;D

No, I actually do mean DMCA rules. I've seen some many Part 15er's in recent days set up their stations for online streaming and many think they can just skirt around the rules and not pay any royalties. When I see so many small operators not using services like Live365's personal hobby streaming, LoudCity or SWCast I know people are just throwing their stream up on the net without any thought to the legal consequences.

I dare say I wouldn't want to be in their shoes when the RIAA/SoundExchange comes a'knockin' - and soon they will be since they've already admitted defeat with busting the music sharing front. They will be going after illegal streaming and my prediction is they will be all over them like flies on you-know-what!
 
I prefer the peace of mind of knowing that the royalty expenses are covered through Live365.

My station, Musicbox 1610, is also streaming under the Live365 PRO package, which allows me
to carry our own advertising. At least half of the cost of the PRO package goes to pay for the
music licensing.

I'm fixing to merge all of my radio station information into the WJJD website at
http://www.wjjd1160country.com. 1610 will stay on the air but will basically be a
simulcast of the WJJD stream. That will eliminate the need for 2 separate websites.
 
Can you imagine the negative publicity the RIAA/Sound Exchange will enjoy, when it starts going after hobby broadcasters? Digital Millennium Copyright Act is another scam to control independent ma & pa broadcasters, well we don't have to worry about them. We have more indie artist & their managers than we have time to air, all of them better than any commercial artist the big boys can throw our way. Fact is without radio, recording artist would be nothing without our free promotion of their works.

We have Chloe instead of Brittany Spears, sounds better without all the hassle. We have artist for every style of music, and growing everyday; from metal to Country and everything in between, we have an indie artist that does it far better.

Mighty 1650, I would not sweat it for now!


Steve
www.radiobrandy.net
 
XRQKFM said:
Can you imagine the negative publicity the RIAA/Sound Exchange will enjoy, when it starts going after hobby broadcasters? Digital Millennium Copyright Act is another scam to control independent ma & pa broadcasters, well we don't have to worry about them. We have more indie artist & their managers than we have time to air, all of them better than any commercial artist the big boys can throw our way. Fact is without radio, recording artist would be nothing without our free promotion of their works.

If one decides to break the law that's their choice. The fact that as much as you may not agree with the law is another thing, but not abiding by it gives one little legal standing in the courts. Between the many small webcasters who use Live365, Loudcity, etc to stations from Clear Channel, Cumulus and the like who are streaming AND paying their required royalties sort of puts a hole in your stance.

If you really want to chance placing yourself in financial jeopardy on the chance they will simply ignore your stream is a foolish bet. The RIAA / SoundExchange has more financial backing than the vast majority of would-be on-line streamers and they could deal a devastating financial blow which could conceivably ruin a person for many, many years. With things such as traceable IP addresses, online web site archives, etc gives them all the evidence they need in the courts.

I still bet illegal streaming will be their next venue in the courts and with their deep pockets an individual has little chance of escaping unscathed.
 
If one decides to break the law that's their choice.
Or perhaps someone will have the guts to challenge the DMCA as unconstitutional.
The law was passed with allot of misinformation falsely provided by the recording industry and boat loads of graph from the lobbyist passed onto our greedy lawmakers. Word is that some groups are getting ready to take on the DMCA and get the law changed or settle it in court. The rules and laws won't change if everyone just bends over, the recording industry is also getting the message; streaming broadcasters are good for business and are less inclined to go on the attack. It's not like broadcasters are wholesale stealing and copying music, fact is streaming broadcasters are starting to generate revenue for the industry. Even some record executives and many artist admit the DMCA was overkill and hurt the industry in the long run. Most would prefer to go a different route if they have a chance to do it over again.

It is because of the hassles and cost of dealing with the RIAA / SoundExchange etc. we don't open stream most of our programming. We can open stream our indie artist stations, as we have signed releases from the artist to broadcast their works. The artist we work with are pleased with the results we deliver for them, and are eager to create more music for us. Artist freely give us interviews without a hassle, and go out of there way to please us. Our teen artist Chloe, is just a phone call away, Brittany is a bit harder to get a hold of and can't sing if her life depended on it.

Between the many small webcasters who use Live365, Loudcity, etc to stations from Clear Channel, Cumulus and the like who are streaming AND paying their required royalties sort of puts a hole in your stance.
Or it could mean allot of sheep are being pulled by the same chain, and Clear Channel, Cumulus pay much lower rates if any compared to the small ma & pa streaming broadcaster.

Our artist; which it's really all about, are fine with the way we do business.


Steve
www.radiooutlaw.com
 
XRQKFM said:
If one decides to break the law that's their choice.
Or perhaps someone will have the guts to challenge the DMCA as unconstitutional.
The law was passed with allot of misinformation falsely provided by the recording industry and boat loads of graph from the lobbyist passed onto our greedy lawmakers. Word is that some groups are getting ready to take on the DMCA and get the law changed or settle it in court. The rules and laws won't change if everyone just bends over, the recording industry is also getting the message; streaming broadcasters are good for business and are less inclined to go on the attack. It's not like broadcasters are wholesale stealing and copying music, fact is streaming broadcasters are starting to generate revenue for the industry. Even some record executives and many artist admit the DMCA was overkill and hurt the industry in the long run. Most would prefer to go a different route if they have a chance to do it over again..

I'm not one to argue the semantics of how the law is/was written, but I fail to see how if one feels a law isn't fair where it is perfectly acceptable to break it. Do you blatantly speed through red lights, shoot people with guns, rob banks and embezzle money just because you don't agree with the laws as written? No matter how egregious you feel a law is, intentionally breaking it is not the way to go about getting it changed.

Believe me, I wasn't happy with the DMCA rulings either. When I had my web stream I participated in the day of silence and was even forced to turn off one of my streams due to the financial devastation the DMCA would have caused me. There are legal ways to call for change but just blatantly breaking the law is not one of them.

XRQKFM said:
It is because of the hassles and cost of dealing with the RIAA / SoundExchange etc. we don't open stream most of our programming. We can open stream our indie artist stations, as we have signed releases from the artist to broadcast their works. The artist we work with are pleased with the results we deliver for them, and are eager to create more music for us. Artist freely give us interviews without a hassle, and go out of there way to please us. Our teen artist Chloe, is just a phone call away, Brittany is a bit harder to get a hold of and can't sing if her life depended on it.

If you want to technically split hairs, I believe the RIAA / SoundExchange claim the right to collect royalties for all artists and the artists are then required to join and file to claim those collected royalties. I personally don't agree with that as I believe it's simply the guise of another money grab of the RIAA and ClownExchange (oops, SoundExchange). Whether or not that is constitutional is one thing, but I would rather not be on the receiving end of any lawsuit regarding this issue. While, in my own opinion, I believe a stream operator with signed agreements with indie artists would be found legal in the long run I would not want to have to drain my own financial sheet to win this.

XRQKFM said:
Between the many small webcasters who use Live365, Loudcity, etc to stations from Clear Channel, Cumulus and the like who are streaming AND paying their required royalties sort of puts a hole in your stance.
Or it could mean allot of sheep are being pulled by the same chain, and Clear Channel, Cumulus pay much lower rates if any compared to the small ma & pa streaming broadcaster.

Our artist; which it's really all about, are fine with the way we do business.

Steve
www.radiooutlaw.com

That's just like arguing that people who use Live365, LoudCity, SWCast, etc., are paying lower rates that those who go it alone. Then again, larger corporate entities may pay even lower rates due to them negotiating their rates. I fail to see how one believes they are privileged to break the law just because these larger entities have been able to secure better rates.

Should somebody go and steal a couch just because my neighbor was able to get a better price on the one he purchased a day after you? Should somebody rob from a grocery store because somebody else got a better deal on deli meat than you? No matter how unjust you may feel the DMCA rules are, breaking the law is still breaking the law no matter how you slice it. If you don't agree with the related rulings and law join one of the many groups fighting it. As far as I'm concerned, those willfully breaking the law are responsible for any legal action brought against themselves. I just hope they are prepared to possibly become a casualty in the resulting aftermath.
 
If you want to technically split hairs, I believe the RIAA / SoundExchange claim the right to collect royalties for all artists and the artists are then required to join and file to claim those collected royalties.

As a musical artist, I did not give SoundExchange the right to collect anything for me. Why would I? If you are telling me that SoundExchange wants to charge me for playing my own music on my webstream, I say you are just as crazy as they are. And I'd like to see them try and collect. You can't get blood from a stone, if the stone has nothing. And a judgement is worthless if you can never collect it. It's not like they can take away my birthday. ;D
 
LowPayDJ said:
If you want to technically split hairs, I believe the RIAA / SoundExchange claim the right to collect royalties for all artists and the artists are then required to join and file to claim those collected royalties.

As a musical artist, I did not give SoundExchange the right to collect anything for me. Why would I? If you are telling me that SoundExchange wants to charge me for playing my own music on my webstream, I say you are just as crazy as they are. And I'd like to see them try and collect. You can't get blood from a stone, if the stone has nothing. And a judgement is worthless if you can never collect it. It's not like they can take away my birthday. ;D

Of course you left out the rest of the paragraph, stating "... I believe it's simply the guise of another money grab of the RIAA and ClownExchange (oops, SoundExchange)." I can't honestly think of how this could be legal, though they are trying to cram it down people's throats. I would think any independent artist would take issue with it, especially since I don't know a single artist who would willingly sign their rights away to of all people the RIAA.

I never claimed it was legal and/or constitutional, nor did I say they will or have ever successfully collected under this part of the rules. I had just mentioned past statements brought up in relation to DMCA as it applies to streaming media. Could you imagine the RIAA going after an artist for streaming their own music in which they are the only rights holder for?
 
I am Fully Aware of the DMCA. I know I cant bend the rules. But honestly who is going to go after a 32 Kbit Stream...... Thats in Mono. and is just a feed off an off-Air Tuner.

Who ever goes after that should be put in an asylum with other insane people.

As for the Explicit content... usually theres not much at all. Normally weekends are oldies day!
So sit back and Enjoy the hits!


Also Some of the shows I carry will be streamed! Special Streaming from Saturday 10 PM till 1 AM will be The Bad Side Live!.
 
LibertyNT said:
I am Fully Aware of the DMCA. I know I cant bend the rules. But honestly who is going to go after a 32 Kbit Stream...... Thats in Mono. and is just a feed off an off-Air Tuner.

The RIAA doesn't care one bit about if your stream is 32K or 256k or if it's stereo or mono or if you feed it directly from a computer or is picked up off-air from a tuner, if you insist on streaming online and likewise if you fail to abide by DMCA rules and fail to pay royalties relating to your stream you are not compliant with the CRB and applicable laws ... period!

LibertyNT said:
Who ever goes after that should be put in an asylum with other insane people.

Well, be sure to mention that when you get served by their legal representatives - I'm sure that will make a difference! </ sarcasm>
 
Well The Purpose of this Streaming is just to rebroadcast some of the shows i carry that are DMCA compliant. This would be ok wouldnt it?
 
LibertyNT said:
Well The Purpose of this Streaming is just to rebroadcast some of the shows i carry that are DMCA compliant. This would be ok wouldnt it?

It's doesn't matter if you are originating the program locally off a computer or relay somebody else's program that claims they are DMCA compliant, if you are the one originating a particular stream with a particular stream address (i.e., IP address) then you are the responsible party for your stream. This situation is similar to business owners who play a radio in a public place such as a restaurant - the folks at ASCAP, BMI, etc, will still attempt to collect royalties for that person playing a program source in spite of the fact that it's originating from elsewhere.

Also, keep in mind, that while someone may claim the program they are providing you for rebroadcast is suppose to be DMCA compliant it doesn't relieve you from non-compliance. If they play music you also need to identify information such as artist name, song title and album title in some manner within the stream player. The specifics of content identification are spelled out in detail regarding what is required for legal streaming.

Believe me, I don't bring this up to be some sort of a jerk. I ran a couple of webstreams for more than 7 years, both with the Live365 service and for a year as an independent and I paid the royalties. It was costly and I had finally decided the expense wasn't worth the effort. The RIAA will be looking for new revenue streams with their recent admittance of defeat in filesharing prosecutions, so expect them to start going after non-compliant streamers with a vengeance. The cost of running a stream legally with Live365, LoudCity,SWCast, etc will be cheaper in the long run than what the potential liabilities could add up to be. If you have any sizable assets such as a house you could conceivably lose that and your shirt if the RIAA / SoundExchange decided to "have at it" with someone operating a non-compliant stream.
 
Wow... Those people are some kind of Evil. That Cant be Legal... Take My House away?
God Most of the Artists that get played while I stream are DEAD...
Curs-ed Record Companies...
 
Here is a direct quote from the LoudCity page located at http://loudcity.net/broadcasting_getting_started.html

Understanding US laws regarding royalties
If your new US-based station webcasts any form of content that is protected by US copyright law, you do not have a right to webcast it without a license, even if you own the CD or purchased the MP3 files through a service such as iTunes or Napster. The penalties if caught webcasting copyrighted music without paying royalties can be financially devastating. The word "bankruptcy" could be quickly added to your list of life experiences.

Once I realized how much money I was throwing away on a "hobby" station I decided there were better ways to have fun and spend my money. While I do miss it, I don't miss the headaches that went with it.
 
Well, I don't own a house, and pretty much have no assets. I been working in radio for too long! Lol I'm a self employed musician and I claim no income as well. Other then take away my birthday, what can they do to a guy like me if I decide to start streaming and not pay, like 99% of the little guys out there right now.
 
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