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LowPayDJ said:
Well, I don't own a house, and pretty much have no assets. I been working in radio for too long! Lol I'm a self employed musician and I claim no income as well. Other then take away my birthday, what can they do to a guy like me if I decide to start streaming and not pay, like 99% of the little guys out there right now.

Ask some of the others they've gone after as I'm sure they'll tell you what they went through. You may consider yourself judgement-proof, but that wouldn't relieve you of any resulting legal action if you had decided to stream illegally. Remember, they have the lawyers and the money to pay them very well!
 
Bill is right!
they have the lawyers and the money to pay them very well!
Since the DMCA also limits free speech; it might just might violate the first amendment.

DMCA as written, is literary the government coming into your radio station and telling you what you can play and how to play it. It stifles all creative freedom and expression by telling you what you can't say on a streaming broadcast. A well greased congress & a sleeping public allowed this mistake to happen. The fact is the RIAA & SoundExchange were allowed to manipulated our pinhead legislators, one of them is now our Vice President, so don't think the greedy democrats like well lubed Diane Feinstein did not have their hands in the cookie jar too.

The DMCA also prohibits the playing of imported versions & artist if they are not authorized for airplay in the US. As an example, I could not legally play the German version of a Petula Clark (In English) song on our Oldies station, or play Strawberry Switchblade's Japanese released remixes on our 80's station. You are are also not allowed to tell a listener what is coming up in the next 20 minutes, or do an artist spotlight with a triple play. You are also told when and how often you can repeat a broadcast, in very precise terms.

It's not just about robbing your piggy bank of every last penny in it, but also serious control of everything you say and do on your radio station. Who would ever guess twenty years ago it would be the US government, controlling every aspect of broadcasting, and willing to destroy and imprison you if you don't comply. You would have expected it out of the USSR, but not out of the land of the free.

Well I for one! No more want the US government in my control room than my bedroom. And yes one of my stations has finally invaded the bedroom, so complying with their rules is a double invasion for me and many of us.
You don't suppose the N.A.B. was behind this, as to keeping us independent broadcasters from invading their turf? I find it most interesting that rules and high rates don't apply to the Mega Broadcasters, how convenient for them. Even small over the air broadcasters are being hammered with new higher rates, one small broadcaster had his rates jump from $6000 to $40,000. The rates for the Mega Broadcasters actually went down at the expense of the little guy; what a surprise!

Wow... Those people are some kind of Evil
You would be amazed at how many recording artist would agree with you, I just spoke to a couple artist and a manager who share your feelings. The record industry invents new ways daily to screw the artist out of their royalties, while keeping them on a short control lease at the same time. Many Artist don't even bother cashing their measly .38 cent checks they get from time to time. Believe it or not; the Artist are on our side on this matter; they are getting screwed over just like us.

For us the solution is simple; keep the music servers off shore, and don't target the US in the programming. As mentioned before; for our indie artist stations, we are covered with signed releases from the artist themselves. I prefer to cut out the greedy middleman and give the generated revenue directly to the artist who need it most.

Leave it to our stupid government to send another industry offshore, but where there is a will there is a way.
We already have servers offshore, and are easily controlled from anywhere in the world; all we need is a couple of laptops, a mixer for the mics and we can do a show from the beach, houseboat on the river or the middle of the desert.

With wireless, it's pretty hard to trace down the source, as the song says: "Catch Me If You Can"

All I can say is thank god that doesn't Apply to part 15 Terrestrial Broadcasting. And I hope it never does.
Mega Dittos on that!


Steve
www.radiooutlaw.com
 
XRQKFM said:
Bill is right!
they have the lawyers and the money to pay them very well!
Since the DMCA also limits free speech; it might just might violate the first amendment.

Interesting take. I wonder what would happen if somebody with the $$$ went up against them on this, although I would think it would be more of a violation of "freedom of expression" since there is nothing stopping you from "speaking" or "talking" and only about other programming aspects of one's stream.

XRQKFM said:
DMCA as written, is literary the government coming into your radio station and telling you what you can play and how to play it. It stifles all creative freedom and expression by telling you what you can't say on a streaming broadcast. A well greased congress & a sleeping public allowed this mistake to happen. The fact is the RIAA & SoundExchange were allowed to manipulated our pinhead legislators, one of them is now our Vice President, so don't think the greedy democrats like well lubed Diane Feinstein did not have their hands in the cookie jar too.

Remember, this is the United States of America - the finest government money can buy!

XRQKFM said:
The DMCA also prohibits the playing of imported versions & artist if they are not authorized for airplay in the US. As an example, I could not legally play the German version of a Petula Clark (In English) song on our Oldies station, or play Strawberry Switchblade's Japanese released remixes on our 80's station. You are are also not allowed to tell a listener what is coming up in the next 20 minutes, or do an artist spotlight with a triple play. You are also told when and how often you can repeat a broadcast, in very precise terms.

Actually, I don't think you can "pre-announce" particular songs within 1 hour or possibly longer. You are correct about the other restrictions. It's interesting how a group like the RIAA, which is not even any sort of legal organization, had so much pull in helping create the DMCA. If that isn't criminal, nothing is!

XRQKFM said:
It's not just about robbing your piggy bank of every last penny in it, but also serious control of everything you say and do on your radio station. Who would ever guess twenty years ago it would be the US government, controlling every aspect of broadcasting, and willing to destroy and imprison you if you don't comply. You would have expected it out of the USSR, but not out of the land of the free.

It's a sad thing indeed. The USA, the land of free enterprise ... as long as you grease the palms of those who count!

XRQKFM said:
Well I for one! No more want the US government in my control room than my bedroom. And yes one of my stations has finally invaded the bedroom, so complying with their rules is a double invasion for me and many of us.
You don't suppose the N.A.B. was behind this, as to keeping us independent broadcasters from invading their turf? I find it most interesting that rules and high rates don't apply to the Mega Broadcasters, how convenient for them. Even small over the air broadcasters are being hammered with new higher rates, one small broadcaster had his rates jump from $6000 to $40,000. The rates for the Mega Broadcasters actually went down at the expense of the little guy; what a surprise!

If they were, they will be living to regret it themselves. Remember the first word of DMCA ... digital. With all the interest in HD Radio I'll bet you the greedy SOB's will "tweak" the laws to go after "digital terrestrial signals" as well. They are broadcasting in digital after all ... right?

XRQKFM said:
Wow... Those people are some kind of Evil
You would be amazed at how many recording artist would agree with you, I just spoke to a couple artist and a manager who share your feelings. The record industry invents new ways daily to screw the artist out of their royalties, while keeping them on a short control lease at the same time. Many Artist don't even bother cashing their measly .38 cent checks they get from time to time. Believe it or not; the Artist are on our side on this matter; they are getting screwed over just like us.

If all artists joined forces to boycotted the RIAA and make them obsolete then they would remove quite a bit of fuel from the fire. I know there are some major labels, such as EMI, that had talked about no longer paying for RIAA membership since the benefits they were receiving were much less than the amount they were paying the RIAA.

XRQKFM said:
For us the solution is simple; keep the music servers off shore, and don't target the US in the programming. As mentioned before; for our indie artist stations, we are covered with signed releases from the artist themselves. I prefer to cut out the greedy middleman and give the generated revenue directly to the artist who need it most.

It is questionable that any US-sourced stream would be able to avoid legal action with these tactics but I fully agree about the greed of the middleman. I know many people who gave up the dream after making the RIAA's bank account fuller!

XRQKFM said:
Leave it to our stupid government to send another industry offshore, but where there is a will there is a way.
We already have servers offshore, and are easily controlled from anywhere in the world; all we need is a couple of laptops, a mixer for the mics and we can do a show from the beach, houseboat on the river or the middle of the desert.

If the stream feeding those servers have an IP address traceable to the states then you've pretty much lost the legal battle if found.

XRQKFM said:
With wireless, it's pretty hard to trace down the source, as the song says: "Catch Me If You Can"

Where there's an IP address there's a way to be caught, especially if you're pushing enough data to be recognized as a stream.
 
Where there's an IP address there's a way to be caught, especially if you're pushing enough data to be recognized as a stream.
The only data uploaded from the states are the liners, and anything verbal. The music is loaded onto the servers overseas, technically it's a Caribbean station that just happens to have some American voices. From the states, we can manipulate the order of the music and change the days music folders etc; but music is never uploaded from the states. One of the things to be careful of is not to sound like you are targeting the US; Word is that is how they could get you.

If all artists joined forces to boycotted the RIAA and make them obsolete then they would remove quite a bit of fuel from the fire.
I think the new wave of artist have done that! Avoiding any contact with the RIAA or there associated labels, unlike the old days, artist don't need the big labels like they use to get airplay or distribute their music. Artist living in the real world are very satisfied having more control over their careers, and the managers I deal with them are right behind them.

I think the recording industry may have dug there own grave, and have nobody to blame but themselves. You can't go around suing children and their families for everything they own; because the child shared a few songs with their friends and expect the masses to continue to support them. Fact is Napster was good for the industry; I like many others, ended up buying entire CD's after sampling new artist for the first time via file sharing. I think the industry now realizes they shot themselves in the foot, with all the lawsuits and going after independent broadcasters that were giving their new artist airplay and expose; which equals profits the big broadcasters would not touch.

People have been recording music off the radio for decades, while the record exes cried and wined all the way to the bank with their millions they got from screwing the artist, and the rest of us.


The industry has the nerve to go after the broadcasters who have made their careers, fortune and fame.
Where would the Beatles or Elvis be without radio? Just another artist performing at the local bar or fare.


I know number of artist would be nowhere if KKTO FM did not give them a break, by giving airplay which was herd my a major LA programmer. The artist themselves acknowledge, it was KKTO FM that made their careers
and their record companies a fortune. Now they want to come back and bite the hand that feeds them!

They deserve what's coming! You know where they can stick it! Artist & We independent broadcaster stand united>

Steve
www.radiooutlaw.com
 
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