I think you're on a completely different page than I am. I'm talking about the EPA's war on coal. Not a whole lot of coal mining going on in Washington and New York. These regulations are specifically targeted at West Virginia, Kentucky and Wyoming.
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I think you're on a completely different page than I am. I'm talking about the EPA's war on coal. Not a whole lot of coal mining going on in Washington and New York. These regulations are specifically targeted at West Virginia, Kentucky and Wyoming.
You're right...my numbers are about power plants.
So how does "punishing" Kentucky and West Virginia help Democrats? I don't understand that logic.
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stevensonair
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Except, not. Seems to be the free market SMG is such a devout believer in.
http://www.resilience.org/stories/2014-06-12/geology-and-markets-not-epa-waging-war-on-coal
"Even without the threat of carbon regulations, the US coal industry is already in dire straits — due primarily to geology and the steady transformation of our energy markets — not politics and carbon regulations. That 25% decline in coal burning we’ve already seen? That came from flat or declining electricity demand, plummeting costs for long-term renewable energy contracts with guaranteed prices, a glut of cheap fracked gas, and steadily increasing coal production costs which have resulted in steadily increasing delivered coal prices (as we reported in October, 2013) These factors have all worked together to squeeze coal’s profit margins, and send the industry into decline. "
http://www.resilience.org/stories/2014-06-12/geology-and-markets-not-epa-waging-war-on-coal
"Even without the threat of carbon regulations, the US coal industry is already in dire straits — due primarily to geology and the steady transformation of our energy markets — not politics and carbon regulations. That 25% decline in coal burning we’ve already seen? That came from flat or declining electricity demand, plummeting costs for long-term renewable energy contracts with guaranteed prices, a glut of cheap fracked gas, and steadily increasing coal production costs which have resulted in steadily increasing delivered coal prices (as we reported in October, 2013) These factors have all worked together to squeeze coal’s profit margins, and send the industry into decline. "
They're red states in case you haven't noticed. You think the EPA is immune from the kind of punitive attitude being used by the IRA, DOJ and every other alphabet agency in Washington?
I've had conversations with Democrat elected officials in my state. They have pretty much confirmed that this is punishment from Washington, and they're not happy about it either.
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Seriously? An environmental blog?
I deal with the coal industry on a daily basis. I KNOW what's going on with it. The decline in coal usage is due to several things. Lower natural gas prices (coal and gas prices have an inverse relationship), regulations, and other people buying the coal at better prices.
The coal industry is going to sell its coal. Right now the Chinese are buying all we can mine and more. If we want to be competitive, we need to be using this coal ourselves to keep our energy prices low until we have the "alternative" sources built to a point where they can provide the bulk of our energy. The more we mine, the more we can use ourselves.
Anyone who thinks shutting down coal plants, which is what these regulations would do, is a good thing is a damn fool.
That's not answering my question.
West Virginia has a Democratic Governor, and two Democratic Senators. Not very "red." Obviously this is NOT about "punishing" anyone.
The FACT is that the electric plants in Kentucky and West Virginia are running cleanly, and the EPA didn't target them.
Do you have a fact connected with this? An email? Anything that proves what you say other than coincidence?
You have a quote?
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Do you need help finding West Virginia?
I'm telling you. It's punitive. I have been told this by members of the president's OWN PARTY. This isn't just something I'm making up.
No quotes? You're making it up. And as I said, there's no political gain punishing a state that is in the middle of a tight election. Unless you can think of one.
As I said, this very same EPA targeted New York and Washington in their analysis of electric plants. Obviously not political. If there was coal in California, the EPA would be targeting them.
Wrong.
http://www.governing.com/gov-data/e...plants-to-shut-down-from-EPA-regulations.html
Lots of little red and yellow dots in WV and KY. And that doesn't include the plants in other states that would require MASSIVE upgrades due to the ridiculous standards being imposed.
Seriously, if you just took the time to figure out where I am, you'd know I'm MUCH more equipped for this conversation that you could ever be. I live 5 minutes from one of the cleanest plants in the world. I am within an hour of the mines that produce 40% of all of the coal used in this country. My grandfather was a coal miner in West Virginia. You presume to tell ME about coal?
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Kinda like your outright lie that you didn't support some radio personalities being fired.
Seriously, you've painted yourself into a corner. Just admit you're wrong before you end up looking like an ass again.
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You mean much more biased.
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stevensonair
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In the interest of disclosure, let's just put out there who SMG is. He's a guy named -.
Outing a User is not permitted.
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Outing a User is not permitted.
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The truth is the truth. It has nothing to do with bias.
I wouldn't mind of of those $$$ though. Let me know where I can get some.
I wouldn't mind of of those $$$ though. Let me know where I can get some.
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FredLeonard
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Sorry, Dude. He repeatedly challenged people to "out" him and said they were stupid if they couldn't Google him in 30 seconds. He's got no complaint that somebody actually did it.
Small Market? Turns out Gillete isn't a market at all.
Sure. Global warming isn't a problem. Pollution is nothing to worry about. Nobody cares about black clouds over factories or rivers catching fire. How do we know? The one percenters told Beckmann to say so. Hand Beckmann money and he'll say whatever you want.
Where are the Molly McGuires when you need them? They knew how to deal with coal mine owners. And shills like Beckmann.
You like mines, maybe you should become MTUfan.
Define "market" for us.
In the industry we have long used terms like "small market", "county-seat market", "single station market", "regional market", a "starter-station market".
What is your thresh-hold for a "congregated bunch of people living in close proximity" before it can be called a market? 500,000 people? A million people? Seven million people?
I guess the most hot-rod little market station I ever worked for was out in a town of 13,000 at the edge of "The Green Hills of Missouri." Thank goodness no one told me back then that it wasn't a "market" and I'm glad they didn't. Sure would have messed up my resume.
And that "little market" station was billing over $1 million dollars a year in the 70's with a 1 kw high-on-the-dial AM facility.
Need I say, "anyplace that there a a few people with some money in their pockets is a market".
A city with 9 stations, 3 translators and one LPFM is certainly a market. Just as Cadillac, MI or Prescott, AZ or Sebring, FL is a market.
Your dismissal of middle America, smaller cities and different points of view is as reprehensible as the most screechy of the ultra-right hate-mongers you criticize.
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stevensonair
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I'm not going to feel guilted over outing SMG - given that he repeatedly told multiple people on here how easy it was and to research him. I simply did it and shared the results with the posters. If he didn't want people knowing, he shouldn't have baited them to find out.
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FredLeonard
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You say it's a market. Nielsen does not. Whom to believe?
You ultra-right hate-mongers dish it out but you can't take it. I just give you back some of what you put out so you all can see what it's like.
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