Mike Malloy controversial comments

[Goat Rodeo Cowboy]

And that "little market" station was billing over $1 million dollars a year in the 70's with a 1 kw high-on-the-dial AM facility.

Need I say, "anyplace that there a a few people with some money in their pockets is a market".

I suspect there was a day when you met with "The Man" and had lunch or dinner together. And one of my favorite stories about him was a phone call just before 8 A.M. on a morning where we had experienced some very rowdy weather over night. "When you finish the 8 A.M. news, meet me at the airport. We will fly around the area and see which streams are flooding, and who needs to make preparation for higher water today and tomorrow."

He was a WW II pilot and stuck to the panel of that little Piper Commanchee was a take-off check list... military style. And at the end of the runway as we prepared to take off and he went through the "pilots religious ceremony" of revving up the engine and killing one magneto at a time and then the other, he was reading the list out loud.

"waa... waa. One: xxx
"tuu... tuu.. Two: xxxx

One of the world's most colorful and successful radio station operators of the day COULD NOT FILL IN for a late or absent announcer. He had a speech pattern much like Mel Tillis.

But when you got to know him, you realized it wasn't a PROBLEM for him, but maybe part of the secret of his success. Where other small town station owners tended to put in as much air time as they could to keep expenses low, he couldn't. So he used that spare time to "think about what made the business work!"

He was a pretty good thinker.

However, I think it was 1968 when the NAB met in Chicago and he was a speaker at the convention. The owners of the station where I was working at the time had me come to Chicago to meet with them, and then one handed me his badge so I could tour the equipment display and then go hear Shep give his speech. He told his story..... without a single stutter in the entire speech!

Some people have a unique ability to focus on what needs to be done right now.

 

[Avid Listener]

I'm not going to feel guilted over outing SMG - given that he repeatedly told multiple people on here how easy it was and to research him. I simply did it and shared the results with the posters. If he didn't want people knowing, he shouldn't have baited them to find out.

That's a very good point. For example, if one does a Google search on someone's alias that they are using in here, and their personal website with their real name is among the top 10 sites found, I think it's safe to assume that person is not attempting to conceal any link between their name and alias. On the other hand, if someone is clearly making a diligent effort to keep their true identity a secret, for whatever reason, violating that secrecy is a low-down, evil, nasty thing to do. I don't give a damn if there is a rule against it or not. Some things are just plain wrong, and shouldn't be done. Revealing someone's identity as you did was a despicable breach of netiquette. And it's especially indefensible coming from a lurker. You can blather all you want about "baiting". As a lurker, you weren't the one being "baited".

Bottom line, that was a low-down, dirty thing to do.

 

[stevensonair]

It's a dirty thing to do what someone asked? SMG invited people to research him. I did. How is it wrong to do what he plainly stated we should do? For example:

SMG: "It would take anyone with two brain cells to run together 30 seconds to find out who I am."

I happen to have more than 2. So there you go. If he was trying to hide it, he wouldn't make posts like that. And by the way, I actually knew who he was because of his posts on All Access, where he uses his real air name AND photograph - while posting in the exact same tone he uses here. Wasn't hard.

 

[Goat Rodeo Cowboy]

It's a dirty thing to do what someone asked? SMG invited people to research him. I did. How is it wrong to do what he plainly stated we should do? For example:

Somewhere there is a difference between 'savages' and 'civilized people'. Yes, he told us that with a bit of brain power we could figure out who he was. But he never indicated that once we knew who he was, that we should run through the room revealing his identity to everyone else.

For several years I was very protective of keeping the GRC identity very private. But in "private messages" I would share with selected people who I was, where I was based. But even though I have become more open about where I live and what I have done, I still don't tell the whole world. The reason I remained private in the beginning was because I was still in the workplace, and I was attempting to buy a small radio station somewhere and I didn't want to muddy the water with people I wanted to work for and work out a deal with.

When I finally said: "Self... whether you intended to or not.... I think you are now a retired person!' But even to this day I don't really put my name out there like a real estate sign. And I can tell you that a lot of people have given me the courtesy of letting ME decide who gets to know me, who gets my e-mail address, etc.

In the last couple of days we have on this discussion site had some exploration of the word RUBE. I think it is fair to say that anyone who would "out" someone who is maintaining even a small amount of anonymity probably qualifies for inclusion in the "Rubes Hall of Fame".

 

[stevensonair]

http://www.bighornmountainradio.com/New-Tax-Could-Impact-Power-River-Coal/19407605

That's interesting. Something from SMG's own employer's news department that affects the coal industry, and it's not even a US regulation. Seems it's not so simple as the evil EPA "punishing" the state of Wyoming.

 

[davideduardo]

You say it's a market. Nielsen does not. Whom to believe?

Whoa, Nelly. There are plenty of what are universally called "unrated markets".

Nielsen does not define "markets". In radio, it defines Metro Survey Areas. Those are radio markets where Nielsen can sell its services to stations that will buy them. If there are no buyers, Nielsen does not create an MSA and does not measure the market. But the market is still a market.

Some of those non-Nielsen markets are measured by Eastlan. Some are measured by nobody. But they are still markets. (1)

You ultra-right hate-mongers dish it out but you can't take it. I just give you back some of what you put out so you all can see what it's like.

I can't believe this line. I said that "the most screechy of the ultra-right hate-mongers" were reprehensible, and you accuse me of being an ultra-right hate-monger. How can I be one if I just ostracized the worst of the spokespersons for that group?


(1) Eastlan measures about 70 markets beyond those measured by Nielsen.

 

[FredLeonard]

Sorry. The Census Bureau defines Metro Areas. Of course, Arbitron and now Nielsen have sometimes ignored the Census Bureau definitions for reasons known only to themselves. The Census Bureau says - and has said for some 30 years - that Wilmington, Delaware is part of the Philadelphia MSA. But Nielsen says no despite the fact that Philly stations get about a 70 per cent share (in addition to all the factors the Census Bureau uses). And Gillette, WY is also not on the Census Bureau's list of Metropolitan Statistical Areas. Nor on the "markets" for which Eastlan does ratings.

 

[Small Market Guy]

Not too cool stevensonair. If someone wants to remain anonymous, they should be able to. It wasn't a mystery that he favored coal. So do I, but I'm not connected to the coal industry.

It's not that I wanted to remain "anonymous", just that I don't make a big deal over who I am. Google searches turning up names leads to hateful trolls pestering you at work.

 

[Small Market Guy]

Whoa, Nelly. There are plenty of what are universally called "unrated markets".

Nielsen does not define "markets". In radio, it defines Metro Survey Areas. Those are radio markets where Nielsen can sell its services to stations that will buy them. If there are no buyers, Nielsen does not create an MSA and does not measure the market. But the market is still a market.

Some of those non-Nielsen markets are measured by Eastlan. Some are measured by nobody. But they are still markets. (1)



I can't believe this line. I said that "the most screechy of the ultra-right hate-mongers" were reprehensible, and you accuse me of being an ultra-right hate-monger. How can I be one if I just ostracized the worst of the spokespersons for that group?


(1) Eastlan measures about 70 markets beyond those measured by Nielsen.

Someone apparently measures us. No idea who. The bosses keep that kind of stuff to themselves.

 

[Small Market Guy]

And Gillette, WY is also not on the Census Bureau's list of Metropolitan Statistical Areas. Nor on the "markets" for which Eastlan does ratings.

http://www.census.gov/econ/census02/data/metro2/M23940.HTM

Gillette DOES exist. Not sure where you're going with the conspiracy theories.

 

[FredLeonard]

Go back and read it again. Gillette is a MICROpolitan Statistical Area - not Metropolitan.

Hope all the people from the board listening don't crash your streaming server tomorrow.

 

[davideduardo]

Sorry. The Census Bureau defines Metro Areas.

But I did not say "Metro Areas". I said "MSA" or Metro Survey Areas, which are Nielsen Audio's self-defined radio markets. MSA's are frequently different from Metropolitan Statistical Areas or Consolidated Metropolitan Statistical Area, or MSAs and CMSAs. And Metropolitan Statistical Areas are defined by the OMB, not the Census Bureau (which is required to use the OMB definitions).

Of course, Arbitron and now Nielsen have sometimes ignored the Census Bureau definitions for reasons known only to themselves.

The reason is well known to anyone who has been actively involved in radio in rated markets in the last five decades. Arbitron market definitions are based on usage of radio. There are a series of criteria that must be met for a county to be part of a Metro Survey Area that include the level of listening to the market's main county stations and commute patterns. Counties are changed every year based on changes in listening patterns and these changes are detailed and explained on the Nielsen Audio site.

For two preexisting MSA's to be combined into one, they also require a vote by the subscribers in both markets. This was the case in 1981 when the Miami MSA was combined with the Ft Lauderdale MSA to be a single market at a time when each was a separate OMB defined Metro area, but combined as a CMSA. The stations approved, and the metros were combined.

The Census Bureau says - and has said for some 30 years - that Wilmington, Delaware is part of the Philadelphia MSA.

But you continue to think that Metro Survey Areas are somehow supposed to be the same as Metropolitan Survey Areas. They are not. They just, confusingly for sure, have the same initials.

But Nielsen says no despite the fact that Philly stations get about a 70 per cent share (in addition to all the factors the Census Bureau uses).

Because, despited the other arguments, the stations in Wilmington and Philadelphia voted against it. Philly stations did not want their ratings diluted and reduced by incorporating an area where significant local listening (over 30%) goes to local stations. Wilmington stations did not want to be so diluted that they would not get on any agency buys.

This is the same reason why the LA Metro Survey Area did not absorb the Riverside / San Bernardino market when voting took place about 25 years ago. The Inland Empire stations did not want to be squashed in the numbers, and the LA stations did not want to see rating and share numbers reduced.

Interestingly, even today there is a notch of land area between the Inland Empire market and the LA MSA consisting of huge communities such as FOntana, Rialto, Rancho Cucamonga and others... nearly a million people... that is not in either the IE or the LA market. Neither market wants it as it would dilute shares and ratings as the audience is pretty much divided between LA and IE stations.

Since Arbitron and now Nielsen provide a service to radio consisting of a metric for ad pricing, the determination of MSAs is a function of what radio stations need to present their cases to advertisers.

And Gillette, WY is also not on the Census Bureau's list of Metropolitan Statistical Areas. Nor on the "markets" for which Eastlan does ratings.

No, it is not a defined metro are. But it's still a population center with people and over a dozen stations between full facilities and translators. And it is what is considered uniformly in the industry as an "unrated market". Were some of the stations to call Eastlan and offer some money, it would be a rated market. But it is, rated or not, a market.

And Campbell County, Wyoming's third most populous county, is one of the OMB's Micropolitan Statistical Areas, a definition for centers of population beneath the scope of a Metropolitan Area... there are nearly 600 of those in the US. In other words, a market.

In fact, if an owner wants to buy some more stations in Gillette, there is an FCC procedure for defining a "radio market" when there is no Nielsen definition. So even the FCC considers Gillette a market. You are outnumbered.

 

[Small Market Guy]

Go back and read it again. Gillette is a MICROpolitan Statistical Area - not Metropolitan.

Hope all the people from the board listening don't crash your streaming server tomorrow.

Yes. I can read. I know what a micropolitan area is. That's why I posted the link to it.

And the server doesn't need help crashing. It'll do that on its own.

 

[davideduardo]

Go back and read it again. Gillette is a MICROpolitan Statistical Area - not Metropolitan.

Hope all the people from the board listening don't crash your streaming server tomorrow.

You said, "You say it's a market. Nielsen does not. Whom to believe?"

When you were called on the carpet for saying, literally, that a county of 40,000 is not a market, you leaped over to the MSA definition, not understanding in the process that a Nielsen MSA is different from an OMB MSA.

Gillette is a market. You said it was not. But it is. It's just a small market... something you apparently think is inherently bad.

 

[Small Market Guy]

Now you see why I never made a big deal over who I am. Not only because I'm not a big deal, but also people doubting the town I live in even exists. The Internet sure does bring out the crazy in some people.

 

[Small Market Guy]

http://www.bighornmountainradio.com/New-Tax-Could-Impact-Power-River-Coal/19407605

That's interesting. Something from SMG's own employer's news department that affects the coal industry, and it's not even a US regulation. Seems it's not so simple as the evil EPA "punishing" the state of Wyoming.

Right parent company, wrong cluster. And it has nothing to do with the point I made. What would South Korea passing a protectionist law have to do with the EPA being used as a political device?