Mini turn out for "mini Freedom Concert" in Vegas

[mred]

Despite alot of promotion only a small number of people turned out for a Hannity-Levine-Ollie North- Lee Greenwood "Mini-Freedom concert". Hannity first called it a "mini" concert, and then after complaints from local Vegas kxnt people, he dropped the "mini".

Since Hannity and Lavine went to Frenso, Reno and Vegas, I wonder how much the tour had to do with Savage, since he is strong in those markets. Hannity and Lavine were joking about the "Weiner Nation" on the air before the trip. (Savage's real name)

When he was just a local host, Savage brought in 5000-8000 people to events in Marin County and Contra Costa County in California. The Orleans in Vegas (holds 9000) had a few hundred people.

 

[LVRadioFan]

I live in Las Vegas mred, and I haven't seen any numbers for the concert. Where are you getting your figures?

 

[LVRadioguy]

I went to the concert to meet Ollie North. It was a "half house" configuration (the same as the last time they did it), and had 4500 in attendance.

I thought the show was pretty good.

 

[E. Stanger]

Despite alot of promotion only a small number of people turned out for a Hannity-Levine-Ollie North- Lee Greenwood "Mini-Freedom concert". Hannity first called it a "mini" concert, and then after complaints from local Vegas kxnt people, he dropped the "mini".

Since Hannity and Lavine went to Frenso, Reno and Vegas, I wonder how much the tour had to do with Savage, since he is strong in those markets. Hannity and Lavine were joking about the "Weiner Nation" on the air before the trip. (Savage's real name)

When he was just a local host, Savage brought in 5000-8000 people to events in Marin County and Contra Costa County in California. The Orleans in Vegas (holds 9000) had a few hundred people.

You know, I hardly ever come to this board anymore, but when I do, I am always absolutely blown away by the utterly inane, ill-informed nonsense, hatred, and outright lies that seem to go almost completely unchallenged here. No wonder so many real radio professionals avoid this board like the plague. However, since I feel compelled at the moment, I'm going to make my feelings known.

This poster, "mred" which is of course a screen name that he hides behind so he can throw rocks like the above with no accountability, makes a claim that the KXNT Freedom Concert on Saturday was something less than the absolute success that is was. How do I know it was a success? Because (unlike Mr. Anonymous Flamethrower) I was there, I worked the event, I helped arrange it, I worked with KXNT on EVERY DETAIL of the show. I was backstage with the thrilled and elated sponsors, VIP's, and guests, and I watched the nearly 5000 attendees (it was a half-house SOLD OUT EVENT) have a wonderful time. I watched every reaction of the crowd, I talked to many of the fans, and have firsthand knowledge of the numbers. The event was a SMASH. It was, as they say, a slam dunk.

Mred, since you came on this board and lied in a lame attempt to make us all look bad, why don't you put your money where your mouth is. I've put my real name on this and I am accountable for what I've said here. Why don't you do the same, and then please tell us where you got YOUR information on the event from Saturday.

Until then, [EDIT] let real radio people talk business here, like we used to do before the all of the nuts, haters, and wacko fanatics took this over and chased us all away.

Thank you, have a nice day, and oh by the way "mred"...The Sean Hannity Show has 530 affiliates and 14 million listeners. We generate millions and millions of dollars every year. We have record-setting ratings every year and PPM'S are looking ABSOLUTELY GREAT for us where we have that info. We've recently set market share records in NYC and other places.

I'm REALLY looking forward to you telling us who you are, what you do in the business, and how you would do it all better than we and Sean have.

Signed,

Eric Stanger
Director of Talk Programming
ABC Radio Networks
New York City

[email protected]


[EDIT-inflammatory]

 

[FightingIrish]

Despite alot of promotion only a small number of people turned out for a Hannity-Levine-Ollie North- Lee Greenwood "Mini-Freedom concert". Hannity first called it a "mini" concert, and then after complaints from local Vegas kxnt people, he dropped the "mini".

Since Hannity and Lavine went to Frenso, Reno and Vegas, I wonder how much the tour had to do with Savage, since he is strong in those markets. Hannity and Lavine were joking about the "Weiner Nation" on the air before the trip. (Savage's real name)

When he was just a local host, Savage brought in 5000-8000 people to events in Marin County and Contra Costa County in California. The Orleans in Vegas (holds 9000) had a few hundred people.

You know, I hardly ever come to this board anymore, but when I do, I am always absolutely blown away by the utterly inane, ill-informed nonsense, hatred, and outright lies that seem to go almost completely unchallenged here. No wonder so many real radio professionals avoid this board like the plague. However, since I feel compelled at the moment, I'm going to make my feelings known.

This poster, "mred" which is of course a screen name that he hides behind so he can throw rocks like the above with no accountability, makes a claim that the KXNT Freedom Concert on Saturday was something less than the absolute success that is was. How do I know it was a success? Because (unlike Mr. Anonymous Flamethrower) I was there, I worked the event, I helped arrange it, I worked with KXNT on EVERY DETAIL of the show. I was backstage with the thrilled and elated sponsors, VIP's, and guests, and I watched the nearly 5000 attendees (it was a half-house SOLD OUT EVENT) have a wonderful time. I watched every reaction of the crowd, I talked to many of the fans, and have firsthand knowledge of the numbers. The event was a SMASH. It was, as they say, a slam dunk.

Mred, since you came on this board and lied in a lame attempt to make us all look bad, why don't you put your money where your mouth is. I've put my real name on this and I am accountable for what I've said here. Why don't you do the same, and then please tell us where you got YOUR information on the event from Saturday.

Until then, [EDIT] let real radio people talk business here, like we used to do before the all of the nuts, haters, and wacko fanatics took this over and chased us all away.

Thank you, have a nice day, and oh by the way "mred"...The Sean Hannity Show has 530 affiliates and 14 million listeners. We generate millions and millions of dollars every year. We have record-setting ratings every year and PPM'S are looking ABSOLUTELY GREAT for us where we have that info. We've recently set market share records in NYC and other places.

I'm REALLY looking forward to you telling us who you are, what you do in the business, and how you would do it all better than we and Sean have.

Signed,

Eric Stanger
Director of Talk Programming
ABC Radio Networks
New York City

[email protected]


[EDIT-inflammatory]

Gee, one would think that considering how successful your show is, you'd show a bit more confidence than lashing out at anonymous users on a message board. And accusing them of 'hatred' without backing it up, and after having part of your post edited for inflammatory rhetoric? C'mon, Eric! Show some confidence!

I'm not trying to rip you to shreds here, but if you guys are doing so well (and I know you should be at least satisfied with what you're doing - Hannity seems to be doing well for himself), is engaging in flame wars really prudent? This just smacks of insecurity. Grow a thicker skin, fer cryin' out loud! And quit being so angry! You guys are obviously rolling in money!

I, for one, would rather wait in a long line at the DMV than take a date to see Oliver North and Lee Greenwood on stage, but to each their own. And if you guys actually have the pull to bring 5000 people to see something like that, more power to ya!

 

[E. Stanger]

HAHA "ripping me to shreds?" OK...See...Here we go again. This is the real problem with this board. Some anonymous coward flamethrower with an agenda lies about us in an attempt to put Hannity in a bad light, and when we simply attempt to set the record straight and call it what it is, somehow we become the problem and our "confidence" comes into question.

Here's the bottom line. Confidence: Using one's REAL NAME and being accountable for what you write here. Lack of confidence: Hiding behind a screen name to lie about and smear hosts you don't like.

You hate Hannity? Good for you. You don't like Lee Greenwood and Ollie? Good for you. We know we're not for everyone and to each his own. But when you go around tell lies about us using fake names, we both know what you really are.

Have a nice day.

Eric Stanger
[email protected]

 

[LVRadioFan]

The review journal reports 3,100 in attendance.

http://www.lvrj.com/news/18572459.html

Mr. Stanger,

People use aliases on the internet, it's just a fact of life. The "post your real name" stuff is just as tired as the anonymous insults.

Besides, if mred is really Joe Blow from Sheboygan, Wisconsin - who cares? He's still anonymous and hiding behind a keyboard. There are plenty of "radio professionals" who do the same thing on this board. If you call him out, you should call out everyone.

 

[FightingIrish]

HAHA "ripping me to shreds?" OK...See...Here we go again. This is the real problem with this board. Some anonymous coward flamethrower with an agenda lies about us in an attempt to put Hannity in a bad light, and when we simply attempt to set the record straight and call it what it is, somehow we become the problem and our "confidence" comes into question.

Here's the bottom line. Confidence: Using one's REAL NAME and being accountable for what you write here. Lack of confidence: Hiding behind a screen name to lie about and smear hosts you don't like.

You hate Hannity? Good for you. You don't like Lee Greenwood and Ollie? Good for you. We know we're not for everyone and to each his own. But when you go around tell lies about us using fake names, we both know what you really are.

Have a nice day.

Eric Stanger
[email protected]

I find it ironic that you call out people posting on a board that's based around an industry where many people use 'airnames.' Perhaps if people were to use their real names here (I don't run across many boards where people actually do), then that should transfer to on-air as well. Me? I don't feel like getting phone calls at home or having strangers drop by my house unannounced because they found me in the phone book, but as I've said, to each their own.

As I also said before, if you are indeed Eric Stanger, why are you slumming on a message board where anonymous users are taking jabs at you? I recall that scene "Jay and Silent Bob Stike Back," where the title characters set out across the country to rough up 14-year-old kids who dissed them on the internet.

But you need to ask yourself, isn't it kind of beneath you to resort to this board flaming stuff? Just because you retaliate does not make it any less childish. Does that make you any better than an "anonymous coward flamethrower with an agenda?" Will Hannity be next to defend himself here? What's his username?

BTW: I think Hannity's a robotic gasbag with no soul and no sense of humor, but that's just my opinion. I'm just as entitled to one as you are. However, I do acknowledge that there are people into that sort of thing, and we all can't agree on everything, right? Do with that what you will.

 

[Jack Landreth]

I appreciate the support, Stanger! That was one hell of a night, and I thank you, Eileen and the whole crew for a very successful evening! The 4500 plus people were very happy at the end. (The pic at www.kxnt.com just shows the line to see Oliver North...much more than mreds, few hundred number. Plus the video above that picture is from John McCain....not something he would do for a small crowd)

I, too, wish this board was a bit more professional, however, that is the difference between those who work successfully in radio, and those who just want to be in radio. I'm told MRED is a nurses assistant, who has never been in the business, yet I take his insults as the equivalent of a 3 year old sticking his tongue out. It doesn't really matter, as comments such as his are generally seen as a joke to those of us who have worked hard for our accomplishments.

For those who don't agree with the POLITICS of any given show, you cannot deny the SUCCESS of any given show. Slamming what is said makes no difference to those who say it, nor those who listen to it. Immature, non factual mud-slinging causes no one to absorb and consider a position. In fact it usually has the opposite effect.

I don't read these posts much, and respond even less. However, real names or not, I would hope that true radio professionals can keep to what the founder of this site originally wanted before his untimely death.

To discuss radio and radio professionals, professionally.

 

[RBA]

4500 VS 3100? I don't think the RJ (Republican Journal) has any reason to deflate or inflate the numbers. So, I say the 3100 attendance is more like the true number.

 

[Phil Boyce]

MRED says: "The Orleans in Vegas (holds 9000) had a few hundred people."

We know this is a lie, cooked up by this Hannity hater. But when somebody who was actually there comes to dispute it, who gets attacked? The person who was there and tried to correct the lie. The person who lied is defended. Whether it is 3100 or 4500 is immaterial. The "few hundred people" is the lie designed for one purpose: to discredit Sean Hannity. Why is it that the person who reported the newspapers account of the 3100 found more fault with the two radio pro's (Eric and Jack) who were there, rather than with the person who started this thread who reported "a few hundred?" It boggles my mind how blind you people are to the truth.

This could have been a great message board. But what it has become for the most part is a congregation of disgruntled former or present radio employees who hide behind false names to attack those in the industry they disagree with. What good is a message board where many of the posts are false, misleading, and sometimes downright defamatory? Are you people all this disillusioned that you want to sit around and tell lies and then get angry when somebody calls you on it? The lies are the posts most often defended here...and the real radio professionals who do this every day for a living without a net are often chastised and told they are too defensive because they did not sit back and allow some moron to spread lies and false rumors.

The idea for a message board like this is a great one. However, it is a mystery to me why those who spent so much time creating it took no interest or care in the idea that the messages reported here should have some semblance of truth, and the people who post here should have some accountability for their own words. Other message boards have become true sources of information. The New York Radio Message Board is one such board that does not allow false names, and does not allow false posts like this to stay up as fact. It frequently breaks news in the radio industry in New York. It has a moderator more interested in the truth, than one interested in stirring up lies and accusations. For that reason it is respected. I never post there. I never have to.

PB

 

[KFodor]

Despite alot of promotion only a small number of people turned out for a Hannity-Levine-Ollie North- Lee Greenwood "Mini-Freedom concert". Hannity first called it a "mini" concert, and then after complaints from local Vegas kxnt people, he dropped the "mini".

Since Hannity and Lavine went to Frenso, Reno and Vegas, I wonder how much the tour had to do with Savage, since he is strong in those markets. Hannity and Lavine were joking about the "Weiner Nation" on the air before the trip. (Savage's real name)

When he was just a local host, Savage brought in 5000-8000 people to events in Marin County and Contra Costa County in California. The Orleans in Vegas (holds 9000) had a few hundred people.

You know, I hardly ever come to this board anymore, but when I do, I am always absolutely blown away by the utterly inane, ill-informed nonsense, hatred, and outright lies that seem to go almost completely unchallenged here. No wonder so many real radio professionals avoid this board like the plague. However, since I feel compelled at the moment, I'm going to make my feelings known.

This poster, "mred" which is of course a screen name that he hides behind so he can throw rocks like the above with no accountability, makes a claim that the KXNT Freedom Concert on Saturday was something less than the absolute success that is was. How do I know it was a success? Because (unlike Mr. Anonymous Flamethrower) I was there, I worked the event, I helped arrange it, I worked with KXNT on EVERY DETAIL of the show. I was backstage with the thrilled and elated sponsors, VIP's, and guests, and I watched the nearly 5000 attendees (it was a half-house SOLD OUT EVENT) have a wonderful time. I watched every reaction of the crowd, I talked to many of the fans, and have firsthand knowledge of the numbers. The event was a SMASH. It was, as they say, a slam dunk.

Mred, since you came on this board and lied in a lame attempt to make us all look bad, why don't you put your money where your mouth is. I've put my real name on this and I am accountable for what I've said here. Why don't you do the same, and then please tell us where you got YOUR information on the event from Saturday.

Until then, [EDIT] let real radio people talk business here, like we used to do before the all of the nuts, haters, and wacko fanatics took this over and chased us all away.

Thank you, have a nice day, and oh by the way "mred"...The Sean Hannity Show has 530 affiliates and 14 million listeners. We generate millions and millions of dollars every year. We have record-setting ratings every year and PPM'S are looking ABSOLUTELY GREAT for us where we have that info. We've recently set market share records in NYC and other places.

I'm REALLY looking forward to you telling us who you are, what you do in the business, and how you would do it all better than we and Sean have.

Signed,

Eric Stanger
Director of Talk Programming
ABC Radio Networks
New York City

[email protected]


[EDIT-inflammatory]

Gee, one would think that considering how successful your show is, you'd show a bit more confidence than lashing out at anonymous users on a message board. And accusing them of 'hatred' without backing it up, and after having part of your post edited for inflammatory rhetoric? C'mon, Eric! Show some confidence!

I'm not trying to rip you to shreds here, but if you guys are doing so well (and I know you should be at least satisfied with what you're doing - Hannity seems to be doing well for himself), is engaging in flame wars really prudent? This just smacks of insecurity. Grow a thicker skin, fer cryin' out loud! And quit being so angry! You guys are obviously rolling in money!

I, for one, would rather wait in a long line at the DMV than take a date to see Oliver North and Lee Greenwood on stage, but to each their own. And if you guys actually have the pull to bring 5000 people to see something like that, more power to ya!

I was not there...I don't have a dog in this fight.

However, many posters on the radio-info boards hide behind anonymous names and post inaccurate, unfair or just plain ignorant statements to bolster their arguments. Yes, they are entitled to their opinions, but what the agenda for such comments is or may be is what one needs to consider. Some comments are posted by competitors wanting to get a rise out of someone...others intentionally post misinformation to further a personal argument or make political statements.
But...that's why we have Freedom Of Speech.

Whether Mred's comments fit any of these catagories, or not...only Mred knows.

 

[mred]

Elfman said 3100, let's use his numbers then. (I just used a few hundred because Jack has a bad temper and I wanted to jerk his chain.) So after all the promotion they didn't sell out as they said they would? Plus they gave out alot of tickets to military and veterans groups, so they wouldn't look so bad.

Elfman also said the demographic was old people. They don't buy much, do they?

I don't think you broke even, given the cost of jet fuel for the Gulf Stream. Also, Elfman wanted to know how much money goes to the orphans of the troops and how much went to pay for Hannity's plane and hotel?

Why don't you spend some money giving Hannity speaking lessons? He uses alot of "you-knows," "ums," "ahs," when he talks. Plus, he says the same things over and over again, it is boring.

Talk show callers are not identified, so why do internet posters have to be?


MRED
Vice President of Nothing
No Company USA
Sometimes The Truth Hurts Building
NY NY (the Vegas hotel)

PS: Why don't you go complain to the RJ? How come Hannity doesn't do better in Vegas, Fresno, Reno, Bakersfield, etc.?

 

[justareporter]

With all due respect to Mr. Boyce he fails the "complete honesty test." He correctly states that no handles are allowed on the NY Radio Message board. He fails to complete the information by pointing out that first names only ARE allowed.

More importantly, arguing that Mr. Hannity is a "Great American" he apparently was unable to fill a venue more than 1/3 even with Mr. North in attendance.

Incidentally, we might want to remind everyone that Mr. North is a convicted felon and Lieutenant Colonel Oliver North secretly diverted to the Nicaraguan Contras millions of dollars in funds received from a secret deal - the sales of anti-tank and anti-aircraft missiles to Iran.

We should also note for the record his felony conviction was vacated, after the appeals court found that witnesses in his trial might have been impermissibly affected by his immunized congressional testimony.

So Mr. boyce may want to tak why the "real American" is traveling with someone who might be considered by many as the "real un-american."

 

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[Chris_Rose]

[EDIT]


The bottom-line is, Hannity has hundres of affiliates because the powers-that-be want it that way. It has little to do with his talent, or lack thereof. Hannity is a by-product of the 1996 Telecom Act pure and simple. He's the best example of how incredibly damaging consolidation of the radio industry has been to our country.

"Great American"... I think NOT!



[EDIT-off topic]

 

[dustintv]

Spin those numbers round and round...where they stop nobody knows!

 

[mred]

"mini Freedom Concert" in Vegas--- How Much $$ Raised?

I went to the kxnt site, Hannity's site and the Freedom Alliance site and I couldn't find how much money was raised for the kids of our fallen troops. Maybe the Big Shot at ABC can answer that question? I didn't see it on the ABC website either.

Hannity was talking with Lavine and North before the trip and they were going by private plane. (Your not going to get from Fresno to Reno that fast any other way.) The trip from Jersey to Fresno to Reno to Vegas and back would be about 5000+ air miles. Make that a 10 hour trip. $3000-$4500+ an hour for a private jet at the least. So, make the trip $50,000 with all the extras. (Keep in mind, Hannity attacks Al Gore et al and "Lib" celebs for jetting to charity functions, etc... So don't tell me I'm off base here.) The Arena, other venues, etc. were probably $7,000-10,000. So 3000 x $30 bucks a ticket, plus whatever they got from the poor advertisers who got sucked into this thing.

With 4,000 fallen troops and at least the same number of totally disabled, we are looking at at least 10,000+ kids. Also, with older troop demographics and "stop-loss" etc. --not all the kids are going to be young. The charity says it has about $10,000,000 bucks so far, and there are other programs besides scholarships. The numbers don't look good. Maybe the "three amigos should have flown coach?

Also as to lying, Jack, and MR BIG, let's see, "WMD found in Iraq," "La Raza militants setting California forest fires," "WMD going to Syria from Iraq," "Bin Laden about to be captured," etc. etc. There is a lie a minute from "The Talk Station" or whatever you call it now and one a minute from Hannity. And interestingly, May 3, the date of the concert, was the 19th anniversary of Ollie North's conviction on three charges involving "lying." (Oh, yes he got off on appeal, I thought lawyers were bad?.)

Also, it is interesting that a station presents only one political view, and then the people connected with that station complain when someone in the print media or a little voice on the internet dare to challenge their activities. I thought you were for freedom?

{Also, I did some research, Savage, (who views I seldom share) when he was on about 150+ stations, brought in 2000+ people in 2001 at $75-$100 a head at the Marin Civic Center, 5000+ people in 2004 at the Concord Pavillon at $50-$100 a head, and so on. So, 3000 people a $25-$35 a head (and we don't know how may tickets were comped) with national promotion by a guy on 500+ stations, and virtually non-stop local promotion does not cut it. You can't even compete in the Right Wing Concert Game. I thought you said the event will "sell out, so get your tickets now?"}

P.S. How come there aren't any pictures of the event on the Vegas station's website? I see some there of the pretty Carrie Kasem at last year's San Diego Concert. What's a matter? Don't you want to show pictures of an empty room?

 

[Don62]

[EDIT]


The bottom-line is, Hannity has hundres of affiliates because the powers-that-be want it that way. It has little to do with his talent, or lack thereof. Hannity is a by-product of the 1996 Telecom Act pure and simple. He's the best example of how incredibly damaging consolidation of the radio industry has been to our country.
[EDIT-off topic]

Good points. When he's not on the same station as Rush, he's not that big, apparently, in places like Kansas City and Denver, all which have local shows that beat him.

It gets tiring hearing the same monotonous RNC arguments, the "Right, on, Bro., you're a great American, Right on" crap.

Notice in the Wikipedia entry on KCMO-AM Kansas City, which sacked a great local host, the station brought in Hannity even though the local host's numbers were increasing and the station at the time was competing against a sports talk show on rival KMBZ. After weak all-syndicated, all the time KCMO brought in Hannity, it effectively handed over the audience to KMBZ, which then added a great local show.

Of course Hannity is successful and I won't take that away from him, but I think his carriage on scores of stations is primarily an excuse for stations to erase great local drive-time programming.

 

[oaktree]

Maybe I'll burn in Hades for saying this, but, first, I'm surprised that an ABC Radio Director of Talk Programming, speaking in place and/or for the Vice President of News / Talk programming would flame a message board and posters with expletives that needed to be edited by moderators. That's pretty juvenile and not very "director-ish."

Also, there is absolutely no PPM "currency" at this time in New York City metro or in the surrounding counties whatsoever ... and likely none until September. In fact, the Arbitron Advisory Council has long stated that since the failure of accuracy of the PPM in New York last fall, that any "test" of the methodology while resetting and readjusting the sample panels, especially in 18-24 and 18-35 year old males, that as there is no accreditation by the MRC, no station in New York should use PPM numbers in the pursuit of accurate research or for advertising purposes.

We certainly hear of the ongoing debate regarding the pitfalls of PPM currency in Philadelphia and Houston, still, and there is no accreditation at this time, so, I am very concerned that usage of any PPM rating information during this time in New York for any reason would be commented upon by management of ABC Radio.

In Philadelphia: 18 WPHT-AM AVG WK Cume 399,700 433,100 468,400 Talk/Personality (and home to Phillies baseball) (Cume)

In Philadelphia: 8t WPHT-AM Share% 3.6 3.5 3.7 Talk/Personality (and home to Phillies baseball) (Share)


In New York:Sean Hannity 2.8 share Rush Limbaugh 3.5 share Don Imus: 2.2 share (20th place)


In Houston: KTRH/740 up 40,000 in March PPM Cume --- 15th place --- Tied for 8th in Share to 4.3 (down .3 from Feb. to March)

Now, I know that demo numbers change daypart-by-daypart ... so, maybe you'd care to refute these numbers.

Sean Hannity is very popular; that's a given. 530 stations will do that for millions of dollars.

But facts are facts: Citadel is having near penny stock problems ($1.48 a share) and something is very very wrong. It is widely known that Sean wants more money and will go to the line to test those waters. Who can blame him, with Murdoch living in his same (new) neighborhood, a popular cable TV gig and the second most popular radio show in syndication?

Finally, we've had this talk about "anonymity" on message boards before, as ABC, Premiere/ Clear Channel, Westwood One, TRN, Fox Radio, NovaM and everyone else relies on "anonymity" in talk radio by callers.

Directors of Programming know this, or else they'd want callers to "identify themselves," which, of course, they don't, nor should. Same here. Freedom of choice.

Welcome back to the board, Eric ... and Phil, good to see you here, too. Congratulations on the good Winter book.

These are the "facts." No argument or name calling here.