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Mitch Miller memories

By now, most of you have probably heard the news about the weekend passing of Rochester’s own Mitch Miller. Though he was best known for his “Sing Along With Mitch” network TV show—for which some of us are too young to have any memories (except in reruns, perhaps, and even those are a bit fuzzy)—I have some later radio-related memories to share.

Because his Holiday Sing Along With Mitch (vinyl) album was so popular in my childhood home, I tracked down the CD and made “Must Be Santa” a Christmastime staple on the Jukebox, in the late ’90s, on WKLX and WBBF-FM. One Saturday night, a caller told me she had waited all week to hear it again. She had requested it during the week (despite not knowing the title of the song or who sang it), but was told that I was the only one who played it (because it was my personal CD, after all). In fact, one night I aired it twice—back-to-back!

I came close to interviewing Mitch when he was in town for a show in 1999. Everything seemed to be coming together between me and an Eastman School publicist—until it fell through at the last minute. Though the publicist didn’t say specifically, I think it was because I had wanted to prerecord the interview and then play back snippets on the air (allowing me greater control over segment timing, since the Jukebox was a music-intensive all-request show), whereas I think he preferred doing it live.

One way or another, I wish it would have happened. But I’d still like to think that I helped “sell” a few copies of Mitch Miller CDs by airing his music 30+ years after the end of his popular television show. :)
 
We used to watch his sing along show all the time back when it was on NBC. That was long before I knew about what else he had done.

Sometime in the '70's High Fidelity (the audio magazine) did an excellent interview with Mr. Miller. He talked about his problems with Frank Sinatra as well as his success with other artists. He was very blunt and modest about his success giving the artists the bulk of the credit. He related, "His father had a saying, You can't make bullets out of s**t". I wish I still had the article. I saved it for a long time.
 
Good stuff in this thread. I especially liked Dylan's andio and video version of "Must Be Santa", with it's Yiddish influence. Miller gets a tough rap from some quarters, probably for his All American "Follow The Bouncing Ball" TV shtick and because it's said he advocated against Columbia's signing of rock artists like Santana, Chicago and even Simon & Garfunkel. Still, Miller was an accomplished arranger and musician who knew his stuff and didn't suffer mediocrity gladly.

BTW, RealJM, my father used the same metaphor that you quote from Miller, with a slightly different twist, "You can't make bullets out of bulls*t." I suspect in the 40's and 50's the axiom was used mainly with reference to politics, but it certainly can be applied to some of the policies I've witnessed over the years in other businesses, including the music business and radio. Could have been an "army thing" or something that originated on the plant floor or the railroad.
 
JimPastrick said:
Miller gets a tough rap from some quarters, probably for his All American "Follow The Bouncing Ball" TV shtick and because it's said he advocated against Columbia's signing of rock artists like Santana, Chicago and even Simon & Garfunkel.

Wasn't Mitch Miller replaced at Columbia by Clive Davis in 1965?
 
"it's said he advocated against Columbia's signing of rock artists like Santana, Chicago and even Simon & Garfunkel."

Interviewed him several times during the late 80s and 90s...according to Mitch himself, not so. He didn't have a problem with rock, despite the anti-rock rep he got from his 1958 speech at the Kansas City radio personalities' convention. His real problem was with the bubble gum material that was clogging the charts in 1958 and the dodgy way it was being produced, marketed and promoted...a lot the same critique that such post-1964 rockers as Mick Jagger and Keith Richards, and album rock radio personalities like Scott Muni and Rosko Mercer, were making just a half-dozen years later as they were helping bring rock to maturity as an art form.

Miller was still A&R boss at Columbia 'till the '70s, with Clive Davis among his top lieutenants. He liked Chicago and S&G. While he knew Bob Dylan was an unconventional signing and hesitated at first, in the end he was willing to push the envelope, backed Dylan and his early collaboration with John Hammond, gave them full creative freedom and support, and helped Dylan on his way.

He conceded he goofed in trying to mold Aretha Franklin into a Nancy Wilson/Leslie Uggams-style crooner when he signed her to her first recording contract, and that Ahmet Ertegun at Atlantic was right in encouraging her to create her own style. That, and the novelty tunes he had Frank Sinatra experiment with in the early 50s (which led Frank to go off to Capitol and then start Reprise, so he could do it HIS way) were, in his view, his biggest mistakes. He didn't make that same mistake with Tony Bennett...
 
Bob1370 said:
Interviewed him several times during the late 80s and 90s...according to Mitch himself, not so. He didn't have a problem with rock, despite the anti-rock rep he got from his 1958 speech at the Kansas City radio personalities' convention.

Bob, thank you. Wow, what a contrast to what I've read and heard from multiple sources over the past 35 years. And the stories made sense...The Byrds were the first Rock act signed to Columbia as S&G and Dylan (I'd always heard) were signed as folk artists. So circumstantial evidence would back up the narrative. Thanks for setting the record straight!
 
In that same article I read in High Fidelity Mitch Miller said that he would have signed "Chicago" and Barry Manilow two of the acts that Clive Davis gets the most credit for.

As for Sinatra he claims that Frank had the right to refuse to do anything presented to him. That's his side of it anyway.

He said that Atlantic had success with Aretha Franklin because they recorded her in a church. Not sure what he meant by that. I have one of her songs recorded at Columbia on an LP titled "Our Best To You". The song is "Sweet Bitter Love" and it's really good but a bit different than what she is known for.
 
Mike Sheridan said:
He said that Atlantic had success with Aretha Franklin because they recorded her in a church. Not sure what he meant by that.

That's because Franklin's style was more of a church choir soloist than a "crooner" - which is what Columbia tried to turn her into (as noted in an earlier post).
 
Mike Sheridan said:
As for Sinatra he claims that Frank had the right to refuse to do anything presented to him. That's his side of it anyway.

Jimmy Bowen, in his autobiography "Rough Mix", talks about Sinatra as he produced, and ran Reprise for, Ol' Blue Eyes. Sinatra would come into the studio, do one-two takes at most and then apparently get testy if it had to go three takes. You had to be on your game or else!!

Dave Beck said:
A quick correction ... The Raiders were the first rock act signed by Columbia.

http://blogs.wbee.com/bigdaddywbee/2010/08/03/mitch-miller-dead-at-last/

That blog follows the old "Mitch Miller hated Rock & Roll" narrative to a T...except for the Raiders...that's the first time I heard that but again they were concurrent with The Byrds so it makes sense.

Bob1370, have you thought about putting your Mitch Miller story out in a larger forum, perhaps an op-ed in the local paper...
 
I once mic'd Mitch Miller while he was in the studio of WOKR (WHAM). Must have been Morning Break. He seemed very happy to be there and was quite friendly. I wanted to ask him about his views of rock & roll but knew it wasn't my place. We did exchange pleasantries and I remember him as being very professional. R. I. P. Mitch.
 
Just read Dave's blog. Always wondered who made the decision to "sweeten" Bennett's voice with gobs of reverb in so many songs that really didn't need it. "Close Your Eyes," I Let A Song Go Out of My Heart," "Don't Get Around Much Anymore" and a number of Bennett's great "torch" songs sound as if the reverb was turned up to "11." If it was the 60s, you could call it an "overdose."
 
On a ligher note, you know you're successful when others salute you in the form of parody...

I still chuckle when I think about The Flintstones episode where they watch the "Hum-Along-With-Herman Show" on TV. Hanna Barbara did a nice job of "toon-ing up" Mitch.

I believe they even used the bouncing ball too!

Okay, back to your regularly scheduled topic.
 
Bob1370 said:
Miller was still A&R boss at Columbia 'till the '70s, with Clive Davis among his top lieutenants.

One small correction: Clive never worked for Miller. Clive came up through the legal department, handling contracts, and then became President of Columbia Records, Mitch's boss. But Clive was never one of Mitch's lieutenants.
 
nitro99 said:
On a ligher note, you know you're successful when others salute you in the form of parody...

I still chuckle when I think about The Flintstones episode where they watch the "Hum-Along-With-Herman Show" on TV. Hanna Barbara did a nice job of "toon-ing up" Mitch.

I believe they even used the bouncing ball too!

Okay, back to your regularly scheduled topic.

And let's not forget "Lovin' You Lots & Lots" by The Norm Wooster Singers, a humorous, spot-on Mitch Miller parody that runs over the opening credits of "That Thing You Do".
 
chas108 said:
nitro99 said:
On a ligher note, you know you're successful when others salute you in the form of parody...

I still chuckle when I think about The Flintstones episode where they watch the "Hum-Along-With-Herman Show" on TV. Hanna Barbara did a nice job of "toon-ing up" Mitch.

I believe they even used the bouncing ball too!

Okay, back to your regularly scheduled topic.

And let's not forget "Lovin' You Lots & Lots" by The Norm Wooster Singers, a humorous, spot-on Mitch Miller parody that runs over the opening credits of "That Thing You Do".

Let me add it was written by Tom Hanks....and uh I kinda liked it :D
 
Mike Sheridan said:
chas108 said:
nitro99 said:
On a ligher note, you know you're successful when others salute you in the form of parody...

I still chuckle when I think about The Flintstones episode where they watch the "Hum-Along-With-Herman Show" on TV. Hanna Barbara did a nice job of "toon-ing up" Mitch.

I believe they even used the bouncing ball too!

Okay, back to your regularly scheduled topic.

And let's not forget "Lovin' You Lots & Lots" by The Norm Wooster Singers, a humorous, spot-on Mitch Miller parody that runs over the opening credits of "That Thing You Do".

Let me add it was written by Tom Hanks....and uh I kinda liked it :D

"That Thing You Do" is one of my family's all-time favorites, with great tie-ins to WJET/Erie and WCOL/Columbus for example. But no references to KQV - or any other Pittsburgh station - when the "One-ders" did the Boss Vic Koss show. Not that the movie needed it...
 
Getting off track here but "That Thing You Do" is one of my family's favorites too. It's one of those movies you can watch more than once and still enjoy. Buffalo even got a mention in the movie, gotta love that!

I remember we used to be able to get WICU-TV Erie (fuzzy) with just an indoor antenna.

I think the Pittsburgh call letters they mentioned at ome point were WIFI which didn't fit. WCOL was in Columbus but not 50KW more like 1KW. What a radio geek I am!

Anyway the movie has lots of funny lines in it.
 
I remember we used to be able to get WICU-TV Erie (fuzzy) with just an indoor antenna.

I think the Pittsburgh call letters they mentioned at ome point were WIFI which didn't fit.
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You're right...and AFAIK that was entirely made-up. ABC-owned KQV was the Top 40 in town, often running a pale second to Westinghouse's KDKA, which actually went thru a short stint in Top 40 around 1965 to '67 or thereabouts. WIXZ in McKeesport (where Rush Limbaugh did Top 40) didn't get up and running until later and the holy grail of Pittsburgh hit music stations - 13Q - was a child of the 70's.

During my 3 1/2 years in an ad agency, we placed clients on WICU-TV, jointly owned with WSEE-TV.

Yes I know we're so far off the thread now...somewhere in Lake Ontario...but thanks to this thread "Must Be Santa" plays in my head at least a couple times a day. Thanks! :)
 
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