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Mobile translator possibilities

This is a spitballing thread, an offshoot from some questions poledo asked in the "The Fun Begins Friday" thread regarding the HD-2 to translator moves in B'ham. I'm looking at translator possibilities in Mobile, Baldwin and Escambia counties, mostly for secular commercial use. Mobile has some potential, but I guess the spread out nature of the market has kept the HD/translator pairing thing at bay. The only translator relaying commercial ops I'm aware of here are WHEP's mono 250 watter in Foley and WBHY-AM's disaster in Spanish Fort.

  • W239AP at 95.7 is supposedly paired with WASG (AM) but that could always change. It's licensed for 19 watts from a cell phone tower behind Sherwin-Williams on Moffett Road. There might be some wiggle room to upgrade it but it's between K-Love in Pensacola and WKBU in New Orleans.
  • W246BN at 97.1 is 250 watts and has been making its way from Bay Minette towards Atmore. WBHY-FM is the parent on this one but that could change. No idea what the plans are for this one but it's been moving around a lot on paper.
  • W258AY is 99.5 and 8 watts at 13 feet. Currently said to be relaying AFR but it's off the air like the others. Like 95.7, it's between stations from FWB and NO but is already in Mobile so wouldn't have far to move.
  • W262BL at 100.3. 1 watt. ONE. Off the air, of course. WBHY-FM is the parent here, too. Other than maybe protecting The Ticket from FWB this one could possibly get some big power boost.
  • W279AT at 103.7 in Loxley, 10 watts. Other than occasional rock from Hattiesburg, this is a pretty open frequency. WBHY-AM is being relayed via a translator on 103.5 (250 watts, direction from the WBHY-FM tower towards Mobile) so that might be an obstacle to moving to the city. But maybe it could do something in Baldwin or Escambia, FL? As a side note, that 103.5 translator's contour extends almost all the way from Spanish Fort to Mobile but I have yet to find a radio that can pick it out of all the surrounding RF. It literally doesn't even reach beyond eyesight of the stick.
  • Finally, the two 106.9's. W295BB Fairhope (10 watts) and W295AP Bay Minette (250 watt on the CP). The Fairhope one is ripe for the picking and who knows if it could get a power shot or not. The Bay Minette one has been slowly moving down Old Pensacola Road towards Pensacola. The Fairhope station shows WBHY-AM as the parent and WBHY-FM is the originator for the Bay Minette one.

Depending on the upgrade path, I could see the 540/95.7 pairing being a real potential thing for a niche programmer.

97.1 in Bay Minette is a mystery to me. It's headed towards Atmore and Brewton where there's no real AM stations beyond one talker in Brewton. But Brewton already has a few translators in the commercial band that are probably not on the air now and could be sold off. I'm surprised the folks behind WTOF haven't snatched it up and kept it in town. If this could be moved to Pensacola it would be a moneymaker.

99.5 has some potential. It could become the FM home of WNTM or another CC HD-2 if the power potential is there.

100.3, revenue potential aside because I know jack about that… this one has some potential. Right in Gulf Shores, with the locals and tourists as a potential target audience. Maybe relaying someone's HD-2, or moved towards Mobile/Eastern Shore for more revenue potential?

103.7 could easily be paired with AM 1000 in Robertsdale. 1000 is already twinned with 105.9 in Atmore but that's so far away there's almost zero overlap between the stations. Hang the bays off the FM antenna just like WHEP Foley does. It's also an open frequency, and I ponder the ability to shove it off to Pensacola. There's a mess of potential in Pensacola as well for AM-to-FM or HD-2 to FM.

106.9 in Fairhope. This one's screaming potential to me: for 1220 WABF. Their signal seems to begin and end at the Fairhope city limits, but I've heard this little station playing in more shops and stores from Fairhope to Foley than any other station, with Sunny 105.7 being a close second. Getting on FM might be a welcome boost for them.

106.9 in Bay Minette. Another "huge potential" freq. As I said, it's headed for Pensacola from what I can tell. They should be chomping at the bit for some translators, because there's tons of potential. TK 101's HD-2 is dead air now but could offer up something to flank their main rock format, or there's 107.3's ESPN feed on their HD-2. On AM, the possibilities are endless. WPNN, WEBY, WCOA, WNRP, all talkers and all on AM only. WAVH actually showed up in the Pensacola ratings despite nearly zero signal, so "the first to FM wins" in my mind. Musically, WBSR and even more likely, WRNE, are possible. WRNE can't keep competing against Magic 106 forever stuck on AM.

There's a part of me that wishes Cumulus were smarter; they could take the 660 in Fairhope and buy up a few translators in Mobile, Fairhope and who knows where else and have a nice little multicast with a robust AM backup, or do something with one of their HD stations, none of which run subchannels. I think whoever gets gospel on FM first will have a good market in Mobile. Of course, we're still lacking a true decent oldies channel, too (cough). ;)
 
You've touched on something important to note: Any such translator use on the coast won't see that much in the way of added choices for listeners in Mobile's city limits. But, one could look at it as these communities getting back a localized FM choice they lost to Mobile (or Pensacola) in the first place.

710 WNTM and the 99.5 translator? I've been waiting on that can't miss pairing for what seems like years, especially considering one can DX New Orleans' WRNO 'Rush Radio 99.5' on the right day. (One morning in a physician's parking lot, I almost swore that's what I was listening to, WNTM on W258AY.) Clear Channel's got to be thinking about it with FM Talk 106.5 seemingly doing well.

I saw for myself how W246BN 97.1 seemed to be moving toward Atmore, and my mind immediately wandered toward the ever-growing business the Porch Creek Indians have been doing around Exit 57 @ I-65. There are more motels, restaurants, housing and shops on the way there in that corridor. How about this: PCI gets one of the big Clear Channel HD FMs to to feed 97.1 with oldies (not heard elsewhere until you reach Monroeville), with the tower being located atop of the WindCreek Hotel & Casino or its water tower. PCI sells local Atmore/Escambia County ads, harming none of its needed Mobile/Pensacola advertising partners in the process. Too complicated?
 
Another translator I keep checking on is 106.5 currently licensed to Milton, FL. It is already owned by ADX Communications and is listed as a fill in translator for WYCT Cat Country 98.7. It seems like a no-brainer to move this translator 20 miles south to Pensacola/Gulf Breeze and pair it up with co-owned WNRP 1620 to launch Pensacola's first FM news talker. I just can't figure out why ADX isn't doing anything with this translator. Is it broken? Does it not qualify to rebroadcast an AM or HD-2? Did someone get high and forget they owned it?

I'm also paying attention to CC's HD-2's for clues. I thought that ESPN on 107.3-HD2 was a clue... I though a translator would sign on in Pensacola to fill the sports hole left when Fort Walton's "the Ticket" downgraded from class C to class A... but nothing ever panned out. I thought WNTM on 96.1-HD-2 would go to feed a translator in Mobile (99.5?) and/or a translator in South Baldwin county... WNTM on 100.3 with 250 watts would really do well with locals and tourists in Gulf Shores/Foley... possibly even beating out Sunny in the ratings for this densely populated little corner of the Mobile DMA.
I like Zach's idea of CC putting up a translator in Pensacola to "flank" TK101. 101.5-HD-2 is already using an on-air ID that says something like "TK101's second channel" that seems like something a flanking station would say. AOR/AAA/or Alternative (most likely)... I'll take any flavor of rock... just find a frequency and light it up. TK is vulnerable, remember how well WRRX 106.1 did as a rocker or even One-Zero-Seven? Everyone that's gone after TK has hurt them. I'd love to have a live/local rocker in Pensacola like Cumulus' WKSM 99 Rock in FWB. I also think Pensacola would support a AAA/Rock format just as well or better than Mobile supports Zew.

As far as the Porch Creek Indians are concerned... they already sold off their radio properties. If they wanted back in the radio business, I'm sure they could afford to purchase WPFL or one of the other full power FMs in the Atmore area. Maybe 97.1 is headed toward Atmore to translate WNTM? I don't think any news/talkers reach Atmore right now.

Would it be possible for CC to put the 96.1-HD2 simulcast of WNTM on multiple translators (i.e. Mobile, Foley, and Atmore) to cover the whole mobile DMA on FM? I don't think I've read of one station having two or more translators.
 
I could be mistaken but I don't think there's any limit to the number of translators that can be used on a station. Just so long as they're in the 60 or 54 dBu contour, I guess. And Atmore is definitely in the coverage area of all the CC full power stations.

The Poarch concept would certainly be an interesting idea. Maybe if leasing an HD-2 channel is cheaper than owning a station, that+translator wouldn't be a bad idea.

The WNTM situation is odd. The only logic I can offer as to why they haven't pursued a better signal or FM for the station is that WBUV out of Pascagoula has basically the same lineup, is CC owned and is listenable in much of western Mobile. I think it even shows up in the Mobile ratings regularly. But that doesn't help the Eastern Shore much, or interior Baldwin County.

If not for the HD-2 feed, I wouldn't hear WNTM at all after sunset here in Foley.

And Pensacola… it's a great potential market for a translator because it's geographically compact if you discard Milton and Pace and Navarre and all those outlying burbs. I saw the ratings for WNRP (0.6? Wow.) it needs the help. WEBY is probably OK, though. Their signal is much much more robust than the Radio-Locator maps imply. Even though I'm right next to WHEP's stick, 1330 punches through on most radios. From here east to Pensacola it's a pretty solid signal. But WNRP? I lose it at night leaving downtown! It's sad.
 
I don't think 97.1 is heading toward Atmore. FCC.gov says that earlier this month the license was sold to Ron Hale (shout out to the North Florida Boys!). This translator must be heading toward Milton to translate Ron Hale's "The Ticket" WTKE-AM 1490 which itself is a simulcast of WTKE-FM 100.3 from Fort Walton. All this man does is buy radio stations in Alabama and move them to Florida.
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I've never checked into how much land the Creek Indians had in Atmore. Right now there's talk of them purchasing a couple acres, having it deemed tribal land, and building a real (non-bingo/poker room) casino in Pensacola... I'd always assumed they had thousands of acres of tribal land in Atmore. If they were interested in having a 250 watt radio station on the reservation, who's going to stop them from starting a pirate? As long as they choose the right frequency (say 87.7FM) and don't step on any toes.

Based on the casino advertising on Biloxi radio stations, I don't see Atmore as being a "small market" with great potential for local casino related advertising... those adds need to be on the 100kw sticks reaching all people in the area and out-of-towners on their way toward the Atmore Bingo hall. Now a translator for WNTM or WCOA to cover Atmore would make sense. (105.9 dropped news/talk, right?) Putting WNTM or WCOA on one of the markets 100kw sticks would make more sense.

Another Atmore translator, 103.3 W278AR, is heading out of Atmore. They got a CP last week to go 250 watts from a tower site in the Walnut Hill area north of Pensacola. Not the ideal place for a translator, I assume they'll keep moving south. What's even stranger is that FCC.gov has WYCT, Cat Country 98.7 listed as the originating station for this translator and they include a waiver request because the new translator may cause interference to their competition, WXBM 102.7. Also, the owner's address listed on the CP is a nursing home in downtown Pensacola. Now Cat Country is listed as the originator for 103.3 in North Escambia county and 106.5 in North Santa Rosa county. I wonder if they plan to add HD to WYCT to feed these translators?
This could be an interesting scenario that I never considered. I was thinking WNRP (AM) would wind up on a translator. WYCT is Pensacola's only locally owned FM radio station.. if they go HD and manage to get two FM translators on the air in Pensacola to simulcast totally new stations 98.7-HD2 and HD3... hell, that's bringing local FM radio back to Pensacola. Cool! That could potentially free up 1620 to flip back to Classic Country. Having locally owned and programed stations is much better than Cumulus or Clear Channel getting a hold of them.
 
poledo that's some food for thought right there. I could see one of the translators being used to rebroadcast the Ticket sports station(s). I wasn't even aware of the AM station, I still had it listed as Regional Mexican!

One thing I've learned about moving translators is to qualify for a minor change CP the service contours (60 dBu?) have to overlap at some point. That's why translators are so bad about hopping a few miles at a time when they're being moved. The FCC is supposedly putting the clamps down on this, but I haven't seem much evidence of it happening yet.

I tracked a translator that moved from the Enterprise area up to Montgomery, and I think it took about six or seven "hops" to get there. The translator owner never builds out the interim facilities but always files a license to cover anyway. It's shady, if you ask me, but no one seems to care.

You know, I understand that 98.7 was the first FM in the Mobile-Pensacola area to install HD, but it's been off for longer than I've lived here. Maybe there is a plan afoot to turn it back on at some point. As for WTKE-FM, they have a CP to lower power a little and move to a new tower, which will only further hurt their weak signal in Pensacola. I don't see how they could get a translator in town off of WTKE AM unless the station gets someone else to carry them on an HD subchannel or something.
 
How close would Hale's 97.1 translator have to be located to the 1490 transmitter site? If he can put it anywhere in the contour, perhaps the translator will wind up on Garcon Point with WEBY/WRNE tower site. They should be able to cover Pensacola well from there. If he has to hang it on the same tower 1490 uses... then it'll just reach people in North East Pensacola.. like around UWF. 97.1 is a very clear frequency, who knows how much range he can get out of this baby.
 
poledo said:
I don't think 97.1 is heading toward Atmore. FCC.gov says that earlier this month the license was sold to Ron Hale (shout out to the North Florida Boys!). This translator must be heading toward Milton to translate Ron Hale's "The Ticket" WTKE-AM 1490 which itself is a simulcast of WTKE-FM 100.3 from Fort Walton. All this man does is buy radio stations in Alabama and move them to Florida.

I may have posted this too quickly. I did a little more research and found out that Hale (working under the name Omni Broadcasting) also owns WEVG 1470 in Evergreen. Based on the direction Bay Minette's 97.1 translator has been moving it would make much more sense that Evergreen is the destination.
Shucks, scratch one for Pensacola.

Hale bought WEVG (then WIJK) as part of the deal to move WPGG from Evergreen to Fort Walton back around 2005. I assumed he had sold it since then, and I was wrong. Does anyone know if Ron Hale owns any other stations around South Alabama?
 
Don't quote me on this but I think the translator's signal can't exceed the AM's 2 mV/m daytime contour. Unfortunately 1490's pattern isn't available on Radio-Dislocator so I have no idea how they reach. I don't recall ever hearing it in Pensacola on my deaf car radio, so it can't be that strong.

EDIT: I found 1490's pattern on R-L by skunking around a little. ;D

The red circle is the 2.5 mV/m contour so basically the translator would need to be within that area, I believe. If I'm wrong hopefully someone will correct me.
 
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