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modification Optimod 8100A

Are there modifacations for a good old Optimod 8100A and a pair of Texar prism's?
I Already have a RCF 1 Card and Card 0 .

( i am stil looking for a xt2 frame ! willing to pay a good price )

Regards Patrick
 
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Re: modifacation Optimod 8100A

I would use the original Card 5 over the RCF-1, unless you are looking for earsplitting loudness and grunge.

You should find a Compellor to slip in front of the Prisms to keep them in their happy zone. The best setup I had with Prisms was this

Compellor
CRL SEP-800 (-3/Slow/Compress/Multiband)
Prisms
8100 (Card 0 / Stock Card 5/Release at 1:00/Clipping at 11:00/HF at 1:00)
 
Re: modifacation Optimod 8100A

ITS THE INPUT CARDS # 3, 4 AND ALSO CARD 5 THAT ARE ESPECIALLY GRUNGY, I USED TO REPLACE THEM WITH A SERIES MADE BY THE FORMER CE OF KIIS-FM IN LA, THEY OUTSTANDING, CLEAN AND VERY TIGHT DEEP TIGHT BASS THEY BLEW AWAY ANY COMPETITORS IF YOU WERE CHR OR URBAN

THE AIR CHAIN WOULD BE AS FOLLOWS: APHEX COMPELLOR
TEXARS
ORBAN OIPTIMOD WITH UPGRADED CARDS
ERIC SMALL COMPOSITE PORCESSOR
USED THIS CHAIN SUCCESSFULLY UNTIL OMNIA FM CAME ON THE SCENE, I MAY STILL HAVE A NEW KIT OF THESE CARDS IN STORAGE IF YOU ARE INTERESTED.
 
Re: modifacation Optimod 8100A

Hey Chrish

I really currios about these cards.
could you send me a email?

regards Patrick
 
Re: modifacation Optimod 8100A

PATRICK, I WILL DIG OUT THE BOX FROM STORAGE WHEN I GET HOME TONIGHT AND GIVE YOU INFORMATION ON THEM. IF YOU ARE FAMILIAR WITH WITH THE FAMOUS CHR PD STEVE RIVERS WHO RAN KIIS-FM, WHEN HE WENT INTO CONSULTING FOR CC AND CBS HE INSISTED ON HIS STATIONS HAVING THE ABOUVE AIR CHAIN AND IT SURE SOUNDED GREAT....VERY CLEAN, VERY LOUD WITH VERY NATURAL EXTENDED RICH TIGHT BASS
THEY WERE MANUFACTURED FOR SELECT CLIENTS UNTIL THE LATE 90'S, BY THEN THERE WERE MAJOR
IMPROVEMENTS THAT INCLUDED OMNIA-FM AND IMPROVED OPTIMODS
 
Re: modifacation Optimod 8100A

chrish said:
PATRICK, I WILL DIG OUT THE BOX FROM STORAGE WHEN I GET HOME TONIGHT AND GIVE YOU INFORMATION ON THEM. IF YOU ARE FAMILIAR WITH WITH THE FAMOUS CHR PD STEVE RIVERS WHO RAN KIIS-FM, WHEN HE WENT INTO CONSULTING FOR CC AND CBS HE INSISTED ON HIS STATIONS HAVING THE ABOUVE AIR CHAIN AND IT SURE SOUNDED GREAT....VERY CLEAN, VERY LOUD WITH VERY NATURAL EXTENDED RICH TIGHT BASS
THEY WERE MANUFACTURED FOR SELECT CLIENTS UNTIL THE LATE 90'S, BY THEN THERE WERE MAJOR
IMPROVEMENTS THAT INCLUDED OMNIA-FM AND IMPROVED OPTIMODS

Those cards were known as "California Digital DigiMod" cards. They were designed by the Dir of Engineering for Gannet Radio. Also, there were two flavors of cards: one for the Gannett Stations, and the others which were sold via Broadcasters General Store. Gannett did not want to give away their deepest secrets.

I battled those, in 1989, out in Los Angeles when Pirate Radio went on-air. We used an early Vigilante and beat the KIIS-FM processing. Although, they did offer a unique sound, and alternative signature to the 8100.

-Frank Foti
 
Re: modifacation Optimod 8100A

the California Digital cards I used in several stations came directly from Gannet, they were not yet being sold to the public, They are not in the ballpark of the Omnias but if all you have to work with is an 8100 they
would likely be a major improvement to what you havenow.

Frank, can use your advice, for years I have had an Omnia FM and have been in love with the XL Cool setting,
I bought an Omnia 6ex and have not been able to get even close to that setting on the new one and I am about to place an order for your newest version of the Omnia 6ex and would love to get them all sounding similar, any ideas?
 
Re: modifacation Optimod 8100A

I have a set of Digimod cards if anyone is interested. A few observations:

1) They do not have traditional phase rotation. Some had nothing, others had this other scheme that did not work nearly as well. Tough on voice.. especially if you were looking for loudness... and I am sure you are looking for loudness. Mic processors help, but almost everything with voice... all production elements... everything.. needs to be symmetrical going in to sound OK.

2) They have great bass... but the high end does not... repeat... does not stand up to they way music is mastered today. The large load of HF energy in music today drives the high frequency limiter deep into gain reduction and the audio can sound dull.

3) The audio wanders with the 3 bands and the midrange can sound weak at times. If your Prisms don't match... or are not quite right, your tonal balance can be all over the place.

There are better options to the 8100 than the RCF-1 or the Digimods, that including using and NOT using the AGC front end... but if you are interested in the Digimods.. or any processing tips with the 8100, contact me off list at [email protected]
 
Re: modifacation Optimod 8100A

chrish said:
Frank, can use your advice, for years I have had an Omnia FM and have been in love with the XL Cool setting,
I bought an Omnia 6ex and have not been able to get even close to that setting on the new one and I am about to place an order for your newest version of the Omnia 6ex and would love to get them all sounding similar, any ideas?

Try using the "HOT" preset, and backing down the clipping, as well as the drive to the limiters. That should get you close. If you still need assistance, please contact our Support Dept, as they have alternative presets to help you.

-Frank Foti
 
Re: modifacation Optimod 8100A

chrish said:
ITS THE INPUT CARDS # 3, 4 AND ALSO CARD 5 THAT ARE ESPECIALLY GRUNGY, I USED TO REPLACE THEM WITH A SERIES MADE BY THE FORMER CE OF KIIS-FM IN LA, THEY OUTSTANDING, CLEAN AND VERY TIGHT DEEP TIGHT BASS THEY BLEW AWAY ANY COMPETITORS IF YOU WERE CHR OR URBAN

THE AIR CHAIN WOULD BE AS FOLLOWS: APHEX COMPELLOR
TEXARS
ORBAN OIPTIMOD WITH UPGRADED CARDS
ERIC SMALL COMPOSITE PORCESSOR
USED THIS CHAIN SUCCESSFULLY UNTIL OMNIA FM CAME ON THE SCENE, I MAY STILL HAVE A NEW KIT OF THESE CARDS IN STORAGE IF YOU ARE INTERESTED.

I don't find the stock cards grungy at all compared to other options. I thought the RCF-1 card was waaay over the top. The California Digital Cards were not grungy, but got too muddy with alot of HF load and would wander now and then. They do have terrific bass.

Are there any mods to increase the release times on the Digimod Cards?
 
Re: modifacation Optimod 8100A

On various internet discussion boards, the idea of making a 'master list' of all the possible 8100 mods keep coming up.

It could be categorized several ways:
1) mods by commercial manufacturers, (usually card replacement)
2) electrical mods that changed values/added components to allow adjustment outside the range provided by Orban, subcategorized by:
a) mods to the basic 8100 and
b) mods to the XT/2 chassis
3) recommended selections of external equipment (not really mods, but crucial to the end result)

If someone wants to do this, I'll be happy to make my contribution and I'd be very curious what others have to offer (you show me yours and I'll show you mine!). I'm always eager to learn. And if someone has a diagram of the innards of the encapsulated 'black boxes,' even better. :)

There are several folks on this list who are 'keepers of the flame'... any takers?

BTW, such ongoing interest so long after the demise of the 8100 says a lot about the brilliance of the design!

Kind Regards,
David
 
Re: modifacation Optimod 8100A

The 8100 has a "sound", no doubt about it. A classic box, one of the very best.

I had 2 favorite Optimod 8100 chains:

This one didn't win a loudness battle in 2002, but I swear it was a TSL generator, and easy to make sound good:

Analog Arianne
Harris Intraplex T1 STL
Optimod 8100 w/Card 5
Touch of composite clipping in a Harris digit exciter

This one destroyed all comers in 1998 but took forever to get tuned right:

Texar Prizms
Dolby spectral processor
8100 w/card 5
touch of composite clipping in a mod sci (ok, today I would use another brand)

I never particularly cared for the X2 chassis, it sounded consistent, but I always thought it to be a bit cloudy or dull sounding.

I'd love to hear an Arianne with an Omnia 6, but have the Omnia's wideband AGC defeated and the multiband slowed way down. It might just be processing NIRVANA.
 
Re: modifacation Optimod 8100A

Damn good sounding chain a la Mike Gideon:

Orban 222A Spacial Enhancer
Optimod 8100/A with custom 3 & 4 cards using MTA 1537 VCAs
Optimod XT 2
Moseley 606/C STL with AFC loop filter debounced & chip mods
Sta-Max clipper
Digit Exciter

Loud & Sweet.

The MTA 1537's sound much better than the CA3280 based VCAs in cards 3 & 4
 
Re: modifacation Optimod 8100A

David Reaves said:
On various internet discussion boards, the idea of making a 'master list' of all the possible 8100 mods keep coming up.

It could be categorized several ways:
1) mods by commercial manufacturers, (usually card replacement)
2) electrical mods that changed values/added components to allow adjustment outside the range provided by Orban, subcategorized by:
a) mods to the basic 8100 and
b) mods to the XT/2 chassis
3) recommended selections of external equipment (not really mods, but crucial to the end result)

That's a very great idea !!

Some tips :

A- For a Bass Boost, on card #3 & #4 replace R309 with a 1k resistor, R318 with a 6.81k res. and R319 with a 68.1k resistor. You need to remove R317. Listen to this mod, if you want to improve it, you can add in parallel with C304 a 22nF capacitor and the same with C305.

B- On card #5 you can change the threshold of the bass clipper with R545 and R546.

C- On card #5 : Jumper A change the release time of the principal band : normal or slow
Jumper B decrease the threshold of the two band processing by 5db
Jumper C change the principal band attack

Hope Bob will confirm the function of those jumpers, and give us some feedback.

Hope you'll understand, my english is not very good...

Seb.

PS: I'm looking for a card #0 kit.
 
Re: modifacation Optimod 8100A

Those cards were known as "California Digital DigiMod" cards. They were designed by the Dir of Engineering for Gannet Radio. Also, there were two flavors of cards: one for the Gannett Stations, and the others which were sold via Broadcasters General Store. Gannett did not want to give away their deepest secrets.

I battled those, in 1989, out in Los Angeles when Pirate Radio went on-air. We used an early Vigilante and beat the KIIS-FM processing. Although, they did offer a unique sound, and alternative signature to the 8100.

-Frank Foti


The vigilante was an awesome piece of gear. I had one of the first ones hand built by Frank himself and it ran on WQIO in Mt. Vernon, Ohio. Blew the competition away with loudness and clarity!
 
Re: modifacation Optimod 8100A

RF Man said:
The vigilante was an awesome piece of gear. I had one of the first ones hand built by Frank himself and it ran on WQIO in Mt. Vernon, Ohio. Blew the competition away with loudness and clarity!

How was the Vigilante air chain set up? Was it similar to the Aphex Audiophile air chain (Compellor, Aural Exciter, Vigilante, Digicoder) or were there other combinations used??
 
Re: modifacation Optimod 8100A

How was the Vigilante air chain set up? Was it similar to the Aphex Audiophile air chain (Compellor, Aural Exciter, Vigilante, Digicoder) or were there other combinations used??
 
Re: modifacation Optimod 8100A

I have unpotted all the black modules from the 8100a,and the xt2.
Also i have done some careful upgrade/modifications over the years with great sucess.
Also i have unpotted the "Mr gibbs" module from the Unity 2000 processor.
Carefully unpotting these modules took a very long time!

The 8100a and xt2 limiter is a superb design,especially given the age.

If using the prisms before a 8100a,i much prefer using the Rcf card 5,but the prisms do require an agc before them,to keep them in a sweet spot.

I tried out the Cobalt blue card,that glen made,but that was way too agressive,it made the rcf card look like a slow agc,by comparason!

On the xt2 limiter i made a mod that required band 6 limiter control to be put back,as in the xt,but with modifications.
This made band 6 limit no more than band 5,but band 6 can release independantly from band 5.
This mod means that dull material,on band 6,would limit less than band 5,and harsh upper vocals that would sometimes limit band 5 would not limit band 6 to the same degree.

On bright material,band 6 would simply limit to the same as band 5(as in the xt2).

With various other mods on my 8100a/xt2,this setup is louder than my 8200 optimod,for the same amount of distortion.

The 8100a/xt2 and the 8200 have different sonic characters,but the 8100a/xt2 does not push the midrange/vocal back with music,like the 8200!

The 8100a/xt2 i find more listenable over time,than the 8200.

Cyberseb,you were asking for a card 0,i myself removed mine,and instead set the safety clippers to clip at the same level as the overshoot compensators differential clipper.
This in effect tightens up the safety clipper by 1 db,this was also mentioned in the xt manual for max loudness.

As here in the UK we do not use sca,this works fine when using rds.
As for doing this compared to using the card 0(which gives the same loudness),i find no difference on audio quality,on my tuner.
 
Re: modifacation Optimod 8100A

I think they sound great stock!

Here is my part 15 air chain, I have 2.
PR&E radio mixer 20 feeding....

#1 Aphex 2020 MK1

#2 urei la4,texar,aurel exciter,orban parametric EQ optimod 8100.

I used #2 chain with a compellor instead of the urei on all the 107.1 stations, kicked the crap out of KROQ in the LA mkt.!!!

then went to all aphex when the 2020 came out, still running one here at WRKI

Pete
 
Re: modifacation Optimod 8100A

The 8100A/XT2 with just a couple of mods is still my favorite system. There's a chip behind the 8100A Clipping control that needs to be removed, the clip drive pots on cards 8 & 9 need to have their grounds lifted and if there's a Zero card, it needs to be removed. 3-4db max GR on the XT2 with the XT2 clip set to +1 and you have an amazing sounding rig--zero grunge and loud beyond expectation. Yes, I'm sure it does throw a little junk into the baseband, but I can't hear it and it makes the Left and Right meters on the Belar monitors register well above 100% while not overmodulating--that's as close to a free lunch as I've found and with 20+ year old technology at that. It's a shame they stopped selling XT2's...rare as hens teeth.
 
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