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Monster Ratings for Connecticut's Country 92.5 WWYZ

The station's overall ratings in the Hartford-New Britain-Middletown market have soared from 10.0 in July to 12.0 in September.
According to the newsletter Taylor Radio-Info, that's the second highest in the entire U.S. The article does not mention which station was #1.
It is interesting that country radio does so well in one of the closest large markets near New York.
 
That part of Connecticut served by Country 92.5 has a big following of country music there, I think the largest in the Northeast. I'm surprised that they actually have younger demos tuning in to that station moreso than pop stations Kiss 95.7 and KC 101!
 
Also pretty impressive, 102.5 WKLB here in Boston (Country in Boston, insane!) has been pulling 7.1-6.5-6.7 last 3 PPM's, respectively! Only 3rd place behind powerhouses Kiss 108 and WBZ-AM!
 
That just goes to show how much country music has changed in the past 10 years. Country is becoming the new "pop" music. It's no longer the old honkey-tonk stuff of the 80's and 90's. I doubt WWYZ has a very big following in the city of Hartford, but probably gets most of their listeners from the suburbs. Demographically the Hartford suburbs are quite similar to the NYC suburbs with a large upper-middle class audience. (I lived in the Hartford suburbs for over 20 years, now living in the NYC suburbs). Hopefully someone will finally catch on and bring a country station to NYC.
 
Today's country is so similar to Classic Rock that the ratings are not surprising. The fact that no one in NYC is smart enough to flip to Country continues to amaze me.
 
ansky212 said:
That just goes to show how much country music has changed in the past 10 years. Country is becoming the new "pop" music. It's no longer the old honkey-tonk stuff of the 80's and 90's. I doubt WWYZ has a very big following in the city of Hartford, but probably gets most of their listeners from the suburbs. Demographically the Hartford suburbs are quite similar to the NYC suburbs with a large upper-middle class audience. (I lived in the Hartford suburbs for over 20 years, now living in the NYC suburbs). Hopefully someone will finally catch on and bring a country station to NYC.

You definitely have a ton of suburbs around Hartford and New Haven whereas a station like this would appeal. We can also add the Connecticut countryside east and west of those regions as well.

Even though I am not into country (I don't hate it though, just not my cup 'o tea), I do support anyone's efforts to get a country station back to the NYC dial. And yes, country today is certainly a LOT different than it was even as recent as 10 years ago. Artists such as Taylor Swift have mainstream appeal that transcends into Top 40/CHR. Even though my major support is dance/rhythmic, if a country station came to NYC first that would be a good thing. Those fans have suffered the longest.
 
Every time the topic of bringing country back to NYC radio comes up on this board, we get the standard Madison Avenue view: New Yorkers are too ethnic and/or too sophisticated for country music. That's what Madison Avenue tells advertisers, so NYC remains off-limits to country music, no matter how the music sounds.
 
CTListener said:
Every time the topic of bringing country back to NYC radio comes up on this board, we get the standard Madison Avenue view: New Yorkers are too ethnic and/or too sophisticated for country music. That's what Madison Avenue tells advertisers, so NYC remains off-limits to country music, no matter how the music sounds.

Somebody needs to have the gonads to tell madison Avenue to stick it where the sun don't shine. If I'm on FM and a bottom feeder I'd go country in a heartbeat. Why? Because I have nothing to lose. If you focus on the Taylor Swifts, Carrie Underwoods,
Brad paisleys, Lady Antebellum and the contemporary acts, you would have a station that would appeal to 18-44 females. You'd give both the CHR and A/C stations something to think about.
 
Has anyone heard the spots being run on every radio station in the city? Scam credit repair, scam donate your car charity, scam ED remedy, scam after scam after scam. Sophisticated listeners are the last thing the agencies should be looking for. In fact Country radio seems like a perfect fit for what they're selling.
 
Theater of My Mind said:
Has anyone heard the spots being run on every radio station in the city? Scam credit repair, scam donate your car charity, scam ED remedy, scam after scam after scam. Sophisticated listeners are the last thing the agencies should be looking for. In fact Country radio seems like a perfect fit for what they're selling.

The scam ads are all over the radio here too. It has less to do with unsophisticated listeners than it does with "legitimate" advertisers being in survival mode during this never-ending recession and not budgeting a penny for a "yesterday" medium like radio. Print was the first to suffer, now radio is sharing the pain.
 
CTListener said:
Theater of My Mind said:
Has anyone heard the spots being run on every radio station in the city? Scam credit repair, scam donate your car charity, scam ED remedy, scam after scam after scam. Sophisticated listeners are the last thing the agencies should be looking for. In fact Country radio seems like a perfect fit for what they're selling.

The scam ads are all over the radio here too. It has less to do with unsophisticated listeners than it does with "legitimate" advertisers being in survival mode during this never-ending recession and not budgeting a penny for a "yesterday" medium like radio. Print was the first to suffer, now radio is sharing the pain.

It should be noted that many of those spots are barter. When you use services from Dial Global, Citadel, Premiere, etc etc and you have to run the barter spots, you usually get those really cheesy "get a computer for 29 bucks a month!" spots.

I don't buy the Madison Avenue/Ad Agency argument when it comes to country. You hear plenty of national spots on WWYZ and other country stations around the country. It's a desirable demo, agencies buy it, it's not an issue.
 
we get the standard Madison Avenue view: New Yorkers are too ethnic and/or too sophisticated for country music.

Not to beat a dead horse again, but, as has been pointed out many times on this board, when you look at US Census data for the NYC metro, you find 40% African American and Hispanic, 10% Asian, and another 10% first generation immigrants with no interest in Country music. Look at the ethnic populations in places in the North East where Country does well; Hartford 10% Black, 10% Hispanic; Boston 6.4% Black, 7.2% Hispanic. That ain't anything like New York.

You hear plenty of national spots on WWYZ and other country stations around the country. It's a desirable demo, agencies buy it, it's not an issue.

The demographics may be good, but the psycho-graphics are not competitive. The research has unfortunately long indicated that people who listen to country music lean to lower education levels, and lower incomes. There are always exceptions, but we are talking overall trends. In some parts of the country, that is the only kind of people who live there, but in places like New York there are lots of bigger bucks college grads who prefer AC, Classic Hits, spoken word or whatever, other than country music.

Having said all this, I should point out that I grew up with country music, and was once a country music DJ. As soon as I leave the core of the NYC market I start scanning the dial looking for Country stations to check out, like Thunder at the Jersey Shore, Cat Country in the Lehigh Valley or WXTU in Philly.

I too would love to have a NYC FM playing county, but I also understand the reality given the fact that most of the NYC metro population would never listen to it, and given the limited number of frequencies available, station owners have many better format choices. And nobody is just going to risk millions and "just give it a try, to see what happens." When they look at the census and marketing data they already know what will happen. New York isn't Boston, or Hartford.
 
TimeIsTight said:
The demographics may be good, but the psycho-graphics are not competitive. The research has unfortunately long indicated that people who listen to country music lean to lower education levels, and lower incomes. There are always exceptions, but we are talking overall trends. In some parts of the country, that is the only kind of people who live there, but in places like New York there are lots of bigger bucks college grads who prefer AC, Classic Hits, spoken word or whatever, other than country music.

You are very correct in your analysis of the NY market and why country would not work well there. But on the qualitative side, it's been a long time since agencies discounted country due to income or other lifestyle related qualities.

In Hartford, the country station is a close third in billing and has a power ratio of 1.09, showing there is no negative effect on sales. Like any established music form, the appeal crosses income and education borders... although in reality buys are made on delivery of impressions and not many are based on income and fewer yet on education level.
 
CTListener said:
Every time the topic of bringing country back to NYC radio comes up on this board, we get the standard Madison Avenue view: New Yorkers are too ethnic and/or too sophisticated for country music. That's what Madison Avenue tells advertisers, so NYC remains off-limits to country music, no matter how the music sounds.

Ad agencies don't do that kind of dismissive analysis.

Ad agencies take client demographic specifications and make media buys that deliver them. If a country station delivers significant audience and is priced at the target CPP, it will get on any market's buys.

However, buys generally don't go too deep in the target demo... perhaps the top 5 or 10 stations, with reach and frequency often eliminating some stations due to price and duplication and adding others that bring greater reach. Country can add reach if the cume is high enough.

And that is the issue. NY, as has been posted, has a 50% to 60% population component that would have little or no interest in country (Caribbean Hispanics, Blacks, Asians, nearly all first generation immigrants, etc.) so the cume ceiling of country may be too low for success.
 
Aren't the statistics relating to ethnic background far more favorable for a country format in the suburbs than within New York City? After all, country music is more of a suburban format.
WPLJ has mediocre/poor ratings in New York. But it has been billing well for years on the strength of its audience in New Jersey and Long Island.
There has been a flurry of activity with country radio in the area over the past few years. WDBY in the Putnam County/Danbury switched from A/C to country. WKMK was an added frequency to extend the reach of the Jersey shore's Thunder Country further north. WJVC took to the air about 9 months ago on Long Island. And there are now 3 local stations, including WLTW, broadcasting country music on HD signals
 
After several more months of posting no more than .5 share I suspect WEMP will go Country. That is unless someone else does not beat them to it like WPLJ or WPAT. Today's country does well with women so it would not be much of a risk at WPLJ.
 
TimeIsTight said:
I too would love to have a NYC FM playing county, but I also understand the reality given the fact that most of the NYC metro population would never listen to it, and given the limited number of frequencies available, station owners have many better format choices.

The reality though is that stations really aren't choosing many other formats. Scroll through the radio dial in NYC and you'll find that most stations are playing some type of rhythmic format. Even stations like WLTW that are supposed to be "lite" still put in a lot of rhythmic cuts.
 
TimeIsTight said:
The research has unfortunately long indicated that people who listen to country music lean to lower education levels, and lower incomes.

Sure, but you could say the same thing about people who listen to hip-hop and Spanish language stations, and there are a multitude of them on the NYC radio dial.
 
ansky212 said:
TimeIsTight said:
I too would love to have a NYC FM playing county, but I also understand the reality given the fact that most of the NYC metro population would never listen to it, and given the limited number of frequencies available, station owners have many better format choices.

The reality though is that stations really aren't choosing many other formats. Scroll through the radio dial in NYC and you'll find that most stations are playing some type of rhythmic format. Even stations like WLTW that are supposed to be "lite" still put in a lot of rhythmic cuts.

And how is music that minimizes melody and lyrical depth in favor of moronic thump-thump-thump and grade-school-level street poetry more "sophisticated" than country?
 
The research has unfortunately long indicated that people who listen to country music lean to lower education levels, and lower incomes.
Sure, but you could say the same thing about people who listen to hip-hop and Spanish language stations, and there are a multitude of them on the NYC radio dial.

Spanish language and hip-hop stations draw advertisers who are specifically interested in reaching Hispanic or "urban" groups, with the money budgeted in those directions from the get go. Or the advertising is sold to businesses within those communities, like ethnic food companies, or hip hop clubs.

Country stations, on the other hand, are in competition for advertising dollars that are aimed at the wider more generic population, and are therefore in competition with other music and spoken word formats for the same business.

While it hopefully is true that the big media buying agencies acting on behalf of major national advertisers now just go by a formula of demographics, ratings and spot price, Country stations usually look for a lot of regional and local advertisers and that is where this perception of poorer than AC, or all news listeners can become a problem.

It has been years, but I heard the same story from Country station sales managers, GMs and even owners, that it was tougher to sell spots on the Country station than it was on the say "soft rock" stations because of a perception that Country fans were more likely pickup truck driving, hard drinking...you know the stereotype....etc. So the local Honda dealer was more interested in selling Accords to the higher income junior executives and computer programmers who listened to soft rock, than to the guys who worked on the loading docks or drove the trucks and listened to Country. That kind of thinking may have been more prevalent in certain markets where Country music isn't as popular and really represents a minority audience, as in NYC, and it may be a diminished perception now, but it is an extra hill for a Country Music station to climb.

While generic national Ford or GM spots may be bought by the numbers, the local dealers have input into what stations their dealership ads go on, and some local advertisers may not even use an agency and make the buying decisions themselves. If everything was just by the numbers, radio stations could replace their sales people with media buying websites similar to the way we order books from Amazon.

The bottom line is that in the NYC area, likely Country Music radio listeners are a smaller minority than the limited number of available commercial FM frequencies can provide a spot for, and as spoken word formats, like all news, or sports talk, move over to the FM band in competitive pairs, the crunch keeping Country out will only get worse.
 
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