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Montreal: 690 and 940 decisions

Nice to see those 50,000 watt blowtorches about to be fired up again. TSN 990 wins huge by getting the mighty 690 signal, so many people in New England and beyond will be able to eavesdrop on the Montreal sports scene on a regular basis. Does the CBC still have their towers they used in their "AM days"? Doesn't the company that wanted to restart 690 / 940 originally, still own the former CINF/CINW tower site ?
 
There's a rumour going around that Tietolman was offered either 600 or 850 for their English language talk station and that it's being considered. 940 and 990 on the same transmitter would have been extremely difficult to pull of without a lot of interference, apparently. I really wanted the new English talker so we'll see if that happens. The other frequencies and applications were denied. I don't see how a south Asian station on 600 with only 250 watts in Montreal would work. Unless there's a neighbourho0d they'd be lo0king to serve, the population is to0 spread out for that signal to be effective. The Christian station at 1530 was turned down before.

CJWI still hasn't moved to 1410 so the applications for 1400/1410 and 1610 have been denied. The reason given was a new FM ethnic station that's only 2 years old....and that they haven't been around long enough and an AM ethnic could have t0o much of a devastating financial impact.
 
mimo said:
940 and 990 on the same transmitter would have been extremely difficult to pull of without a lot of interference, apparently.
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I noticed this. Which suggests the 690/940 site is no longer viable. (dismantled?) The record in the I-C engineering database for the CKGM application shows their proposed operation on 690 using the existing 990 site. (and that jibes with comments in the CRTC decision where CKGM is willing to allow the new user of 990 to use the old CKGM facility, but only if CKGM is granted 690. If CKGM were to use the old 690/940 site, it wouldn't matter whether they were granted 690 or 940, their old 990 site would still be available.)

It's not really a transmitter or interference issue, but an antenna issue. To share a single antenna among two stations, filters are necessary to keep one station's signal out of the other station's transmitter. Among the possible negative side-effects would be hearing *both* stations on both frequencies - i.e., tuning to 940 and hearing both 940 and 990. Apparently 940 and 990 are too close on the dial for practical separation filters.

I don't see anything about 940 or 990 in the I-C database. It looks like 990 is going to use the current CKGM transmitter so I suppose there's no need for a new record.
 
The 690/940 site used by the CBC/Radio-Canada from 1978-1999 was in Brossard, east of Montreal. It was razed a year or so ago and is no longer available.

The 690/940 site used by Corus for CINF/CINW was the old CFCF/CIQC 600 site in Kahnawahke, south of Montreal. It is still standing, but Corus is apparently unwilling to lease it out at economically viable rates, especially to the Tietolman group.

At least one of the proposals (I think it was the Tietolman proposal for 690) called for a diplex with CJMS 1040, which I believe is at the former CKGM 980 site south of Montreal. (CKGM built a new site farther out when it moved to 990.)
 
Its nice to see CKGM got 690, being lower on the dial its daytime groundwave signal will be a bit better than 940. Unfortunately at night WLW spills IBOC noise onto 690.

Anybody know what ever happened to CFCX, the 6005 khz shortwave signal of 940 CINW. The last thing I can see from the CRTC was that its license was renewed in 2003 and expired in 2010:
http://www.crtc.gc.ca/eng/archive/2003/db2003-529.htm
 
CINF was still on air when WLW started running IBOC at night and it didn't hurt 690 very much. In Ottawa, CINF had a signal that was almost at local strength levels, and was actually better than what local CJEU 1670 has at my house. and at night it was equal to the strongest of the local AM's better. If IBOC was barely noticeable here, I'm sure in the city of Montreal it wasn't a factor at all. I don't think IBOC at night will be around much longer anyway.
 
Blackroc said:
the 6005 khz shortwave signal
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Sure you don't mean 6.070 MHz?
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Nope! The old CFCF 600 (which could have "morphed" into CINW 940) had their own SW relay on 6005; CFRB Toronto still has their relay, the only SW relay of a commercial station left in Canada, officially CFRX on SW, on 6070.

Other commercial Canadian stations had relays on SW at one time---like CHNS Halifax, CKWX Vancouver, and CKMX (or earlier calls) in Calgary. They have gone the way of the dinosaur.

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cd637299 said:
Nope! The old CFCF 600 (which could have "morphed" into CINW 940) had their own SW relay on 6005; CFRB Toronto still has their relay, the only SW relay of a commercial station left in Canada, officially CFRX on SW, on 6070.

Other commercial Canadian stations had relays on SW at one time---like CHNS Halifax, CKWX Vancouver, and CKMX (or earlier calls) in Calgary. They have gone the way of the dinosaur.
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Another one was CJCB Sydney.

How long has it been since CFVP (CKMX relay) been off the air? Wikipedia claims it's still on the air, but we all know how out-of-date that can be.
 
Is there a tentative date for when Bell Media makes the frequency shift for CKGM to 690? I'd have to assume they'd want to do it ASAP, given that the Canadiens season is already chugging along. Then that would clear the 990 signal for Evanov.

BTW, since Bell does hold the rights to the CFCF calls, the thought of them rechristening 690 as CFCF-AM did enter my mind, along with the accompanying chuckle. ;)
 
All reports are that it would be at least 6 months before they can do it. I wouldn't mind seeing it done earlier though.
 
mimo said:
All reports are that it would be at least 6 months before they can do it. I wouldn't mind seeing it done earlier though.
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One would think that Bell would try to expedite the process at least. Especially since the NHL playoffs start in mid-April.

And should the Canadiens get in, that would enable a pretty big "make the switch" promotion for CKGM, no?
 
I read somewhere, perhaps in one of the Fagstein articles, that CKGM could make the move in three months if if got 690, or six months if they got 940.
 
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