More bad news for HD

[clouseau]

http://www.ibiquity.com/hd_radio/hdradio_find_a_station

Now 1164 "Dead Technology" stations on the air. Tick Tick Tick...

Clouseau

 

[700WLW]

http://www.ibiquity.com/hd_radio/hdradio_find_a_station

Now 1164 "Dead Technology" stations on the air. Tick Tick Tick...

Clouseau

"RW Opinion: Rethinking AM’s future"

"Only 175 or so AM stations have even licensed AM-HD. For a number of reasons, quite a few have tried it and taken it off the air, or so the anecdotal evidence suggests. (Ibiquity no longer reports in its public summaries whether a station is on the air.)"

http://rwonline.com/pages/s.0044/t.557.html

"Opinion: Make or Break Time"

"The next 12 to 18 months are "make or break" for HD Radio."

http://www.rwonline.com/reference-room/iboc/2006.05.10-03_rw_opinion_may_10.shtml
http://www.google.com/trends?q="hd+radio",+xm,+sirius,+podcast,+"internet+radio"

"HD Radio: Fun with Math"

"But explain to me the model for HD Radio, please."

http://www.hear2.com/2006/06/hd_radio_fun_wi.html

"More unfortunate fun with HD Radio math"

http://www.hear2.com/2006/11/more_unfortunat.html

But, no one is listening - Tick Tick Tick...

 

[Mike Walker]

Far from "dead technology", I was at the new Northlake Mall in Charlotte yesterday, where the Accurian was on display, and very popular with shoppers. I had to stand in line to look at it! The Charlotte stations must be doing a good job of generating interest, because people were looking, picking up the brochure on HD radio, and asking questions. I answered several from different people (the Radio Shack salesperson was clueless. She asked me what "HD2 and HD3" meant. When I told her they were alternate programs that could be accessed only with and HD radio, and that there were no commercials on them, she said she was very glad she knew. NOW she could tell her customers. I pointed out that she could have learned this just by reading Radio Shack's own brochure!

We're still very early in the game. I doubt she could have given me much correct info on the Sirius radios sitting next to the HD display rack. I had already asked her about the HD TVs that were on sale (one of our tvs is about to die), and she was no more informed on that technology either (want to have some fun? Ask a Radio Shack employee about the difference between HDMI and Component input. Tee Hee. I thought you guys "had answers!")

 

[700WLW]

Far from "dead technology", I was at the new Northlake Mall in Charlotte yesterday, where the Accurian was on display, and very popular with shoppers. I had to stand in line to look at it! The Charlotte stations must be doing a good job of generating interest, because people were looking, picking up the brochure on HD radio, and asking questions. I answered several from different people (the Radio Shack salesperson was clueless. She asked me what "HD2 and HD3" meant. When I told her they were alternate programs that could be accessed only with and HD radio, and that there were no commercials on them, she said she was very glad she knew. NOW she could tell her customers. I pointed out that she could have learned this just by reading Radio Shack's own brochure!

We're still very early in the game. I doubt she could have given me much correct info on the Sirius radios sitting next to the HD display rack. I had already asked her about the HD TVs that were on sale (one of our tvs is about to die), and she was no more informed on that technology either (want to have some fun? Ask a Radio Shack employee about the difference between HDMI and Component input. Tee Hee. I thought you guys "had answers!")

That's a cute story, Mike, but consumers do not care about HD Radio - check out this graph of consumer trends/interest of HD Radio versus XM, Sirius, podcasting, and Internet Radio:

http://www.google.com/trends?q="hd+radio",+sirius,+xm,+"internet+radio",+podcast

 

[700WLW]

Far from "dead technology", I was at the new Northlake Mall in Charlotte yesterday, where the Accurian was on display, and very popular with shoppers. I had to stand in line to look at it! The Charlotte stations must be doing a good job of generating interest, because people were looking, picking up the brochure on HD radio, and asking questions. I answered several from different people (the Radio Shack salesperson was clueless. She asked me what "HD2 and HD3" meant. When I told her they were alternate programs that could be accessed only with and HD radio, and that there were no commercials on them, she said she was very glad she knew. NOW she could tell her customers. I pointed out that she could have learned this just by reading Radio Shack's own brochure!

We're still very early in the game. I doubt she could have given me much correct info on the Sirius radios sitting next to the HD display rack. I had already asked her about the HD TVs that were on sale (one of our tvs is about to die), and she was no more informed on that technology either (want to have some fun? Ask a Radio Shack employee about the difference between HDMI and Component input. Tee Hee. I thought you guys "had answers!")

I just checked the Sunday Edition of the Washington Post, and the RS and CC fliers do not contain HD Radio, but pages of ads for HDTVs, cell phones, iPods, MP3 Players, gaming-systems, and computers - Hmmmmmm... come to think of it, I have never seen any ads for HD Radio, in any fliers. Early in the game - HD Radio has been going on for two years, but consumer interest remains almost flat:

http://www.google.com/trends?q="hd+radio",+"internet+radio",+sirius,+xm,+podcast

Here, is an example of what a successful technology looks like, that took off quickly, where demand consistently remains strong:

http://www.google.com/trends?q=ipod,+mp3

 

[clouseau]

That's a cute story, Mike, but consumers do not care about HD Radio - check out this graph of consumer trends/interest of HD Radio versus XM, Sirius, podcasting, and Internet Radio:

http://www.google.com/trends?q="hd+radio",+sirius,+xm,+"internet+radio",+podcast

Again with the "Internet Searches" graph that shows what, a limited group of internet users who searched at Google searched for. (after several approximations) Your data is "defective". It is not representative of the general population.

Mike, I'm sorry but the Anti-HD cartel has spoken. You aren't getting HD signals from over 10 miles away at your house It's not possible. Also, there was not a line at a Radio Shack store to see an Accurian. Your observations are "defective". For you to claim those events happen is the equivalent of a farce.

Clouseau

 

[700WLW]

That's a cute story, Mike, but consumers do not care about HD Radio - check out this graph of consumer trends/interest of HD Radio versus XM, Sirius, podcasting, and Internet Radio:

http://www.google.com/trends?q="hd+radio",+sirius,+xm,+"internet+radio",+podcast

Again with the "Internet Searches" graph that shows what, a limited group of internet users who searched at Google searched for. (after several approximations) Your data is "defective". It is not representative of the general population.

Mike, I'm sorry but the Anti-HD cartel has spoken. You aren't getting HD signals from over 10 miles away at your house It's not possible. Also, there was not a line at a Radio Shack store to see an Accurian. Your observations are "defective". For you to claim those events happen is the equivalent of a farce.

Clouseau

As we can see, from Google Trends, these are world-wide representations, not limited to a specific region - if desired, one can specify any specific region:

Here, is world-wide:

http://www.google.com/trends?q="hd+radio",+"internet+radio",+sirius,+xm,+podcast

Here, is the United States, only:

http://www.google.com/trends?q="hd+...",+sirius,+xm,+podcast&ctab=0&geo=US&date=all

What, a fantastic tool !

 

[clouseau]

As we can see, from Google Trends, these are world-wide representations, not limited to a specific region - if desired, one can specify any specific region:

Here, is world-wide:

http://www.google.com/trends?q="hd+radio",+"internet+radio",+sirius,+xm,+podcast

Here, is the United States, only:

http://www.google.com/trends?q="hd+...",+sirius,+xm,+podcast&ctab=0&geo=US&date=all

Junk Data...

What percentage of the general population searches with Google? 5%? 10%? Maybe even 50%?

I don't suppose "Podcast" ranks quite as high with "Non net Junkies".

Clouseau

 

[700WLW]

What percentage of the population searches with Google?

Clouseau

"Major Search Engines and Directories"

"Google"

"Voted four times Most Outstanding Search Engine by Search Engine Watch readers, Google has a well-deserved reputation as the top choice for those searching the web. The crawler-based service provides both comprehensive coverage of the web along with great relevancy. It's highly recommended as a first stop in your hunt for whatever you are looking for."

http://searchenginewatch.com/showPage.html?page=2156221

In terms of popularity, Google and Yahoo are about the same:

http://www.google.com/trends?q=google,+aol,+yahoo,+hotbot,+AltaVista&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all

Google Trends takes random, unbiased samplings of what consumers are searching for, so it doesn't matter how many are using it, because the comparisons are being done, in relative terms.

 

[clouseau]

"Major Search Engines and Directories"

"Google"

"Voted four times Most Outstanding Search Engine by Search Engine Watch readers, Google has a well-deserved reputation as the top choice for those searching the web. The crawler-based service provides both comprehensive coverage of the web along with great relevancy. It's highly recommended as a first stop in your hunt for whatever you are looking for."

http://searchenginewatch.com/showPage.html?page=2156221

In terms of popularity, Google and Yahoo are about the same:

http://www.google.com/trends?q=google,+aol,+yahoo,+hotbot,+AltaVista&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all

Google Trends takes random, unbiased samplings of what consumers are searching for, so it doesn't matter how many are using it, because the comparisons are being done, in relative terms.

This is a junk amswer. The question might be "How does Google rank with those that don't use the internet to get their info."

Answer - It Doesn't. People who don't use the internet or search with Google (Because they do things like get their info from TV or Radio or Newspapers) don't get counted. The data is seriously biased towards computer based products like podcasting or internet radio. This data does not support your claim. It's "Defective".

As an example
Data - " nearly all people who died have eaten carrots within 2 weeks of their deaths"

Junk Conclusion - "Carrots Cause Death" (courtesy of Dr. Dean Edell)

Those who claim Google trends shows the general population's interests either have very little understanding of research or are directly misleading people.

Junk Data - Junk Conclusion.

Clouseau

 

[700WLW]

"Major Search Engines and Directories"

"Google"

"Voted four times Most Outstanding Search Engine by Search Engine Watch readers, Google has a well-deserved reputation as the top choice for those searching the web. The crawler-based service provides both comprehensive coverage of the web along with great relevancy. It's highly recommended as a first stop in your hunt for whatever you are looking for."

http://searchenginewatch.com/showPage.html?page=2156221

In terms of popularity, Google and Yahoo are about the same:

http://www.google.com/trends?q=google,+aol,+yahoo,+hotbot,+AltaVista&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all

Google Trends takes random, unbiased samplings of what consumers are searching for, so it doesn't matter how many are using it, because the comparisons are being done, in relative terms.

This is a junk amswer. The question might be "How does Google rank with those that don't use the internet to get their info."

Answer - It Doesn't. People who don't use the internet or search with Google (Because they do things like get their info from TV or Radio or Newspapers) don't get counted. The data is seriously biased towards computer based products like podcasting or internet radio. This data does not support your claim. It's "Defective".

As an example
Data - " nearly all people who died have eaten carrots within 2 weeks of their deaths"

Junk Conclusion - "Carrots Cause Death" (courtesy of Dr. Dean Edell)

Those who claim Google trends shows the general population's interests either have very little understanding of research or are directly misleading people.

Junk Data - Junk Conclusion.

Clouseau

I can understand, your frustration, that we have this excellent tool, at our disposal, to check consumers' on-going apathy towards HD radio. See, even Mark Ramsey, uses Google Trends:

"What kind of digital radio are listeners searching for?"

"What a cool analysis Google now provides via Google Trends. It's what folks are searching for - and we can assume that search is a representation of interest."

http://www.hear2.com/2006/10/what_kind_of_di.html#comments

Not, searching for HD Radio !

 

[winreader]

Far from "dead technology", I was at the new Northlake Mall in Charlotte yesterday, where the Accurian was on display, and very popular with shoppers. I had to stand in line to look at it! The Charlotte stations must be doing a good job of generating interest, because people were looking, picking up the brochure on HD radio, and asking questions. I answered several from different people (the Radio Shack salesperson was clueless. She asked me what "HD2 and HD3" meant. When I told her they were alternate programs that could be accessed only with and HD radio, and that there were no commercials on them, she said she was very glad she knew. NOW she could tell her customers. I pointed out that she could have learned this just by reading Radio Shack's own brochure!

We're still very early in the game. I doubt she could have given me much correct info on the Sirius radios sitting next to the HD display rack. I had already asked her about the HD TVs that were on sale (one of our tvs is about to die), and she was no more informed on that technology either (want to have some fun? Ask a Radio Shack employee about the difference between HDMI and Component input. Tee Hee. I thought you guys "had answers!")

You could have had the same "popularity" if you repackaged the 8-track and called it something modern sounding. You're confusing popularity with curiosity. Popularity is measured in sales, not people who take brochures and ask questions.

HD radio technology is not dead, but HD radio as a consumer product is. It was obsolete when they introduced it. Why would I pay several hundred dollars for a box that gets more traditionally programmed radio stations, regulated by the FCC, with spotty signal coverage, when I can pay under $100 for a hand-held device carrying over 100 channels of everything unregulated for content with coast to coast signal coverage?

Then, in a few years, I'll be able to get an internet router in my car and receive the world over broadband. Why do people beat the dead horse of HD?

 

[perenoel6218]

I live in Indianapolis and have recently purchased the Accurian from Radio Shack, with
rebates cost me 99 dollars. One of the FMs here in town is running the Comedy Radio
Channel on its HD-2. It is quite good and I listen to it almost daily for about an hour
or so. I had not listened to much radio at home before but now I actually do. So does
that give HD a few extra points.
As for HD not being too popular, let's face it....how many folks were going to plop down
500 or 600 dollars for an HD radio, but now that one such as the Accurian is available
for around 150, sales are bound to grow.
I remember in the 60s when FM first came around. When Zenith came out with that
19.99 model lots of people bought them and FM started to come into its own.
And today, consumers have lots more options for the electronics budgets than back in
the 60s.....iPods, HD tv, etc.
So, give HD radio some time. It is a free airwave entertainment and hopefully the
corporations that own most of our stations now will hire creative programmers.
(wishful thinking!). And as more models become less expensive more consumers
will buy. And as more car manufacturers install HD in the dash, so much the better.
No, I do not think it will die. Any time a city (or market) can double its number of
stations sort of overnight, the better for us all!

 

[700WLW]

I live in Indianapolis and have recently purchased the Accurian from Radio Shack, with
rebates cost me 99 dollars. One of the FMs here in town is running the Comedy Radio
Channel on its HD-2. It is quite good and I listen to it almost daily for about an hour
or so. I had not listened to much radio at home before but now I actually do. So does
that give HD a few extra points.
As for HD not being too popular, let's face it....how many folks were going to plop down
500 or 600 dollars for an HD radio, but now that one such as the Accurian is available
for around 150, sales are bound to grow.
I remember in the 60s when FM first came around. When Zenith came out with that
19.99 model lots of people bought them and FM started to come into its own.
And today, consumers have lots more options for the electronics budgets than back in
the 60s.....iPods, HD tv, etc.
So, give HD radio some time. It is a free airwave entertainment and hopefully the
corporations that own most of our stations now will hire creative programmers.
(wishful thinking!). And as more models become less expensive more consumers
will buy. And as more car manufacturers install HD in the dash, so much the better.
No, I do not think it will die. Any time a city (or market) can double its number of
stations sort of overnight, the better for us all!

"HD Radio and the myth of price"

http://www.hear2.com/2006/05/hd_radio_and_th.html

"Exploding the momentum myth of HD radio"

http://www.hear2.com/2005/11/exploding_the_m.html

"HD Radio and the Myth of Awareness"

http://www.hear2.com/2006/06/hd_radio_and_th.html

 

[700WLW]

I live in Indianapolis and have recently purchased the Accurian from Radio Shack, with
rebates cost me 99 dollars. One of the FMs here in town is running the Comedy Radio
Channel on its HD-2. It is quite good and I listen to it almost daily for about an hour
or so. I had not listened to much radio at home before but now I actually do. So does
that give HD a few extra points.
As for HD not being too popular, let's face it....how many folks were going to plop down
500 or 600 dollars for an HD radio, but now that one such as the Accurian is available
for around 150, sales are bound to grow.
I remember in the 60s when FM first came around. When Zenith came out with that
19.99 model lots of people bought them and FM started to come into its own.
And today, consumers have lots more options for the electronics budgets than back in
the 60s.....iPods, HD tv, etc.
So, give HD radio some time. It is a free airwave entertainment and hopefully the
corporations that own most of our stations now will hire creative programmers.
(wishful thinking!). And as more models become less expensive more consumers
will buy. And as more car manufacturers install HD in the dash, so much the better.
No, I do not think it will die. Any time a city (or market) can double its number of
stations sort of overnight, the better for us all!

1) http://www.google.com/trends?q="hd+radio"&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all
2) http://www.google.com/trends?q="hd+radio",+"internet+radio",+sirius,+xm,+podcast
3) http://www.google.com/trends?q="hd+radio",+ipod,+mp3&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all

 

[dumber than a box of hair]

http://www.ibiquity.com/hd_radio/hdradio_find_a_station

Now 1164 "Dead Technology" stations on the air. Tick Tick Tick...

Clouseau

...and still swimming upstream: http://www.radio-info.com/smf/index.php/topic,60851.0.html

 

[clouseau]

Any time a city (or market) can double its number of
stations sort of overnight, the better for us all!

1) http://www.google.com/trends?q="hd+radio"&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all
2) http://www.google.com/trends?q="hd+radio",+"internet+radio",+sirius,+xm,+podcast
3) http://www.google.com/trends?q="hd+radio",+ipod,+mp3&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all

Brilliant comeback. Someone states more choices are better and you respond with Junk internet search trends. It's been shown to be garbage in another thread, but you don't care. Just like Bagdad Bob you keep touting "It's defective... No One cares, Here's more garbage data."

Meanwhile, as people cruise the forum, those with a brain can see your agenda. I wonder how many bought an HD radio BECAUSE of you efforts. I only know of one, but I'll bet there are more. Thanks for your efforts.

Clouseau

AM station management
FCC Licensee
Non IBOC adopter on AM

 

[Mike Walker]

Interesting how 700WLW's links to other people's works are supposed to be taken as gospel, but the personal experiences of others (there was a line to see the HD Radio display at Radio Shack in Charlotte!) are dismissed as a "cute story", after which we're told that "nobody is interested".

They didn't teach social skills at the NSA, did they 700? Is civility really so much to ask of you?

 

[700WLW]

Interesting how 700WLW's links to other people's works are supposed to be taken as gospel, but the personal experiences of others (there was a line to see the HD Radio display at Radio Shack in Charlotte!) are dismissed as a "cute story", after which we're told that "nobody is interested".

They didn't teach social skills at the NSA, did they 700? Is civility really so much to ask of you?

How long was the line - two people, to see their one HD Radio !

 

[700WLW]

Any time a city (or market) can double its number of
stations sort of overnight, the better for us all!

1) http://www.google.com/trends?q="hd+radio"&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all
2) http://www.google.com/trends?q="hd+radio",+"internet+radio",+sirius,+xm,+podcast
3) http://www.google.com/trends?q="hd+radio",+ipod,+mp3&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all

Brilliant comeback. Someone states more choices are better and you respond with Junk internet search trends. It's been shown to be garbage in another thread, but you don't care. Just like Bagdad Bob you keep touting "It's defective... No One cares, Here's more garbage data."

Meanwhile, as people cruise the forum, those with a brain can see your agenda. I wonder how many bought an HD radio BECAUSE of you efforts. I only know of one, but I'll bet there are more. Thanks for your efforts.

Clouseau

AM station management
FCC Licensee
Non IBOC adopter on AM

http://www.google.com/trends?q="hd+radio",+maggot,+leech,+cockroach,+scum&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all

Hey, they are all grouped together, where they belong !