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MORE CUMULUS CHEAPNESS/STUPIDITY

RadioJunkieMike

RadioJunkieMike

You may remember that when Dave Morey retired from KFOG in December, we were told that he was building a home studio in his new house in Michigan, and would be producing new 10@10 shows in the not-too-distant future. (The station has been running "classic" 10@10s since he left.)

I have it on very good authority that Cumulus has decided they don't want to pay Mr Morey for new shows, so that plan has been scrapped. I also understand that they're not paying him for the use of his voice or name on the reruns. (They also have an HD-2 channel that revolves around 10@10).

So... how long can they recycle old 10@10s? It's easily their most popular feature; will they get rid of it? Hire a new host to do new ones? Looks like they're shooting themselves in the foot... again.

(BTW, I tried to email Ben Fong-Torres about this thru his website and the email bounced back.)
 
I can 't imagine Morey giving away rights to his voice and work in perpetuity post retirement, but either he signed a contract to facilitate use and consideration, or didn't. In either case, for Cumulus to continue airing the old shows benefits the listeners and the company, which is neither cheap nor stupid. The old shows are countless and evergreen, and can survive replaying for a long, long time.

As for new shows, possible resistance could include the fact that Morey himself is no longer a live addition to the total SF-KFOG essence, and maybe they simply regard new contributions as less a KFOG fundamental, thus less enhancement than they are willing to pay for, despite what "we were told".

Or maybe you got the whole thing wrong and your good authority friend is incorrect. That would be nice.
 
or....maybe Morey DID have that in his contract...but Cumulus doesn't care...and maybe Morey is just tired of dealing with Salvadore and Cumulus. Maybe he's just exhausted and glad to be out. Maybe.....
 
DeadAudicy said:
I can 't imagine Morey giving away rights to his voice and work in perpetuity post retirement, but either he signed a contract to facilitate use and consideration, or didn't. In either case, for Cumulus to continue airing the old shows benefits the listeners and the company, which is neither cheap nor stupid. The old shows are countless and evergreen, and can survive replaying for a long, long time.
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Obviously, KFOG can air the reruns ad infinitum, and may well want to do just that, if it's not costing them anything. I'd say that benefits the company far more than the listeners, tho' maybe most "Fogheads" won't notice. But for many who really love 10@10 it's not quite the same thing, and some of us were looking forward to new shows from Dave.
 
or....maybe Morey DID have that in his contract...but Cumulus doesn't care...and maybe Morey is just tired of dealing with Salvadore and Cumulus. Maybe he's just exhausted and glad to be out. Maybe.....
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If there is a legal contract between Morey and Cumulus stipulating consideration for play, whether Cumulus "cares" would not be an issue.

Obviously, KFOG can air the reruns ad infinitum, and may well want to do just that,
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Also obviously, listeners will enjoy the reruns er, "ad infinitum", as you say (granted the perceived preference might be for all new episodes, but lacking such does not diminish appreciation of the old).

Hire a new host to do new ones?
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Webster, for one, is a prod wizard, and can certainly take up where Morey left off. It does take tremendous focus and talent, but Morey is not the only guy in the world with the magic.
 
Cheapness/stupidity is redundant when speaking about Cumulus. Those huge Susquehanna stations in SF and elsewhere are being descimated by the brilliant minds in Atlanta. Just remember, the only thing that matters is that Lew gets another $10 million is 2009.
 
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Should anything happen to Don Pardo, would they then stop running old 10@10 shows?
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Good question. Pardo's pushing 90, and still does SNL every week. When I first started listening to 10@10 in '91 or so, the "announcer" was Monty Hall of Let's Make a Deal, then there was Pardo, then the late Calvert DeForrest (aka Larry "Bud" Melman on Letterman's show), then they brought back Pardo in the mid-1990s and it's been him ever since. (Morey did a great bit of shtick when they dumped DeForrest: said he'd been "kidnapped" and asked Fogheads if they'd be willing to "ransom" him, but the joke was there was no response and so they reinstated Pardo.)

Without Pardo... well, either they'll cobble something together from old Monty Hall tapes or else try a new approach.
 
This whole discussion is interesting but the contract between Dave and Cumulus is no ones business except theirs and Daves.
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What is this, Sunday School? And I believe the term is "beeswax".
 
Don Pardo was the original "host" starting in 1982. He was under contract with KFOG/General Electric, the owners at the time.

Monty Hall was brought in when Pardo's contract with KFOG/Susequehanna wasn't renewed (he wanted more money). Turns out Monty Hall's son worked at Channel 2, KTVU, and was a huge Dave Morey fan. He often called the request line and eventually, he and Dave developed a phone "friendship." Dave told Hall's son about the dilemma he and the station found themselves in and Hall's son said he'd talked to his dad. After negotiations with Monty Hall's management and Susquehanna's Pennsylvania people, an agreement was reached.
 
sandwix said:
Don Pardo was the original "host" starting in 1982. He was under contract with KFOG/General Electric, the owners at the time.

Monty Hall was brought in when Pardo's contract with KFOG/Susequehanna wasn't renewed (he wanted more money). Turns out Monty Hall's son worked at Channel 2, KTVU, and was a huge Dave Morey fan. He often called the request line and eventually, he and Dave developed a phone "friendship." Dave told Hall's son about the dilemma he and the station found themselves in and Hall's son said he'd talked to his dad. After negotiations with Monty Hall's management and Susquehanna's Pennsylvania people, an agreement was reached.
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Pardo had a contract? He didn't just record that stuff for a one-time fee? Interesting.

Never knew the Monty Hall backstory; thanks, sandwix!
 
sandwix said:
Don Pardo was the original "host" starting in 1982. He was under contract with KFOG/General Electric, the owners at the time.
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Are you sure? My understanding is that Pardo recorded radio liners for NBC Radio's young adult network, The Source. If you were an affiliate of that network, you got free access to Pardo's voice. He continued doing that until his retirement from NBC, which was about 1996.
 
Yeah, I'm sure. Listened to KFOG from day one back in September, 1982. GE was still an affiliate of NBC in 1982, but not directly run by NBC. And yes, Pardo had a contract. He was AFTRA and at the time, so was KFOG.
 
sandwix said:
Yeah, I'm sure. Listened to KFOG from day one back in September, 1982. GE was still an affiliate of NBC in 1982, but not directly run by NBC. And yes, Pardo had a contract. He was AFTRA and at the time, so was KFOG.
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Yes he had a contract, but I don't think HIS contract was with KFOG. It was with NBC Radio, and they in turn had an affiliation deal with KFOG. Pardo did the exact same thing for about 20 other stations, and he was covered under his deal with NBC.
 
Pardo's management directly negotiated with the GE people. When Susquehanna took over and didn't want to pay Pardo more $ when the contract was up for renewal, Pardo and his agent amicably terminated the relationship.
 
TheBigA said:
sandwix said:
Don Pardo was the original "host" starting in 1982. He was under contract with KFOG/General Electric, the owners at the time.
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Are you sure? My understanding is that Pardo recorded radio liners for NBC Radio's young adult network, The Source. If you were an affiliate of that network, you got free access to Pardo's voice. He continued doing that until his retirement from NBC, which was about 1996.
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His retirement? I know he is 91. So does he freelance for SNL? Or have a special contract? Just wondering.
 
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