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[Outlaw]

KNRJ 101.1 Payson has applied to move to Cordes Lakes and move their facilities on Towers Mt. with the other new move-ins. They are also upgrading from a class C1 to a C. KAJM is also changing their CP for Camp Verde from a C0 to a C.

 

[deelove]

ok? for us non-technical speaking individuals, that means what exactly? ???

 

[KMGX]

It means they're dumping more money into moving facilities and increasing power to a station/format that is as dead as Pauly Shore's career.

 

[deelove]

maybe this will them

 

[2Son]

It means they're dumping more money into moving facilities and increasing power to a station/format that is as dead as Pauly Shore's career.

Interestingly enough, it's still here.

It amazes me how people who are THIS passionate about radio seem to dog each other so much.

Perhaps it's time for YOU to get out of the business.

 

[amnesia440]

might be getting ready to flip formats?

 

[testing]

maybe this will them

or maybe won't them!

???

 

[KMGX]

It means they're dumping more money into moving facilities and increasing power to a station/format that is as dead as Pauly Shore's career.

Interestingly enough, it's still here.

It amazes me how people who are THIS passionate about radio seem to dog each other so much.

Perhaps it's time for YOU to get out of the business.

Indeed it's still here, so is FREE-FM, so is KDUS, so is KAZG. What's your point?

Sorry if I believe that this market would be better served by a format that is listened to by more than 382 people. It just seems like a waste to put more resources into a doomed station.

 

[2Son]

It means they're dumping more money into moving facilities and increasing power to a station/format that is as dead as Pauly Shore's career.

Interestingly enough, it's still here.

It amazes me how people who are THIS passionate about radio seem to dog each other so much.

Perhaps it's time for YOU to get out of the business.

Indeed it's still here, so is FREE-FM, so is KDUS, so is KAZG. What's your point?

Sorry if I believe that this market would be better served by a format that is listened to by more than 382 people. It just seems like a waste to put more resources into a doomed station.

What an idiotic thing to say. Just be happy that you live in a market where there is actually a wider array (than most places here in the good ole' US) to choose from. Then if you don't find what you're looking for, pop online and enjoy all of the variety there before we lose all of our webstreams due to unnecessary royalties. I'm sure everybody has their complaints about what they'd "like" to hear, but don't - so if you can't shell out the money yourself to change it, I guess you'd just have to deal with it. I did, and I started my own webstream online (and I do not generate revenue from it - it's because I love music, and try to support the artists who don't get airplay on regular radio stations). It's time for people who are truly passionate about the music in general, and the industry to start working together, not tearing each other apart.

BTW, be happy you don't have the limited frequencies we have here in Tucson.

 

[KMGX]

To address a few of your points 2Son:

"Variety" ? in Phoenix? You must be joking! We have 4 (maybe 5 if you count 103.1) "rock" stations. 3 of which are run by the same company and programmed about as poorly as it gets--KUPD being the best of those 3 and at any given time you can very well hear the same song playing at the same time on all three. The playlists aren't exactly "deep" either.

We have ONE "CHR" and it's a shame what has happened to KZZP these last few years, a far cry from it's triumphant years of the 80s and early 90s. No variety there.
Indeed, music "variety" in Phoenix isn't exactly what you would expect from a market of this "size", allegedly.

The talk market offers some variety, but not as much as other markets for sure--although we do have 3 sports/talk stations, which is interesting.

As for web streaming: I run a couple fairly profitable and listened to stations online for my company and I wouldn't worry about the CRB/RIAA nonsense. Everyone is pressing the panic button, yet most of the people that are crying the loudest have never paid a dime in royalties. As someone that does pay, I don't worry much either. After the appeals process and some semblance of reason is brought into the conversation, stations like mine won't have to pay $500,000 a week or whatever ridiculous numbers they've thrown out there.

Oddly enough, internet broadcasting has gone away from "Variety" quite a bit itself.

 

[2Son]

To address a few of your points 2Son:

"Variety" ? in Phoenix? You must be joking! We have 4 (maybe 5 if you count 103.1) "rock" stations. 3 of which are run by the same company and programmed about as poorly as it gets--KUPD being the best of those 3 and at any given time you can very well hear the same song playing at the same time on all three. The playlists aren't exactly "deep" either.

We have ONE "CHR" and it's a shame what has happened to KZZP these last few years, a far cry from it's triumphant years of the 80s and early 90s. No variety there.
Indeed, music "variety" in Phoenix isn't exactly what you would expect from a market of this "size", allegedly.

The talk market offers some variety, but not as much as other markets for sure--although we do have 3 sports/talk stations, which is interesting.

As for web streaming: I run a couple fairly profitable and listened to stations online for my company and I wouldn't worry about the CRB/RIAA nonsense. Everyone is pressing the panic button, yet most of the people that are crying the loudest have never paid a dime in royalties. As someone that does pay, I don't worry much either. After the appeals process and some semblance of reason is brought into the conversation, stations like mine won't have to pay $500,000 a week or whatever ridiculous numbers they've thrown out there.

Oddly enough, internet broadcasting has gone away from "Variety" quite a bit itself.

Well, I don't know what to tell you. If you feel that internet broadcasting may not offer you the "Variety" you are looking for, then I can certainly understand your beef with Phoenix Radio. With ALL the (old and new) stations streaming on the web, I'm just a little surprised you feel that the "Variety" is going away. I would think it's actually grown.

I will agree with you on the KZZP statement, and the possible five rock stations. Wouldn't you rather see one or more of the rock stations go bye-bye in place of something new and different rather than the one dance station in PHX (and one of few in the US - not the world) to keep the variety alive in the valley? You may believe there isn't a demand for dance music, but perhaps you're thinking amongst your circle of friends. Phoenix may not be dance music valley, but it is not a dead format, and you're forgetting the volume of listeners they bring in through their webstreams.

 

[KMGX]

Well, I don't know what to tell you. If you feel that internet broadcasting may not offer you the "Variety" you are looking for, then I can certainly understand your beef with Phoenix Radio. With ALL the (old and new) stations streaming on the web, I'm just a little surprised you feel that the "Variety" is going away. I would think it's actually grown.

I'll explain what I mean in more detail: When I started in the "internet radio" biz, there were very few stations, maybe a few hundred (between shoutcast, live365 and so on). In those days, internet broadcasts were really for underground or independent music more than anything--sure you had your Wolf-FMs/JJ McKay stations with fairly mainstream formats (CHR, AC, et al), but mostly internet radio featured the various electronic formats (dance, trance, techno, house, etc) and "underground" music. In those days (keeping in mind this is 1998-2000 and before) most stations were not-for-profit and even those in the business to make money didn't step on eachother's toes and things were pretty good. Everyone sort of flew under the RIAA radar because 1) most people played independent music and 2) quite a few stations were broadcast from overseas. A small tangent there, but that sets context for where we're at today.

Fast forward to 2007: There are approximately fifty times as many internet stations as there were 8 to 10 years ago (not even counting terrestrial stations streaming online). Most people that run internet streams today run formats that are terrestrial radio clones, Top40/M, CHR, Alternative, Mainstream rock and so on. At any given time on any net station you'll hear the same songs you're hearing on terrestrial radio, not saying that it's a bad thing either, I'm saying that even though there are 50,000 streams, there just isn't the variety that you may think when compared to a few short years ago. Now, don't get me wrong, I run both contemporary formats, like Hot AC (albeit hot ac with a bit of a twist) and I run more "alternative" formats. Yes there is variety in internet radio, however I don't believe that it's as broad as it could be given the volume of stations.

I will agree with you on the KZZP statement, and the possible five rock stations. Wouldn't you rather see one or more of the rock stations go bye-bye in place of something new and different rather than the one dance station in PHX (and one of few in the US - not the world) to keep the variety alive in the valley?

I would like to see one of the "rock" stations in Phoenix retired to the Valley Radio Graveyard in place of a new format. Either KDKB or KSLX would be fine by me, both stations are practically becoming mirrors of each other. KSLX now thinking Tommy Tutune and Simple Minds are "classic rock" makes me wonder why not just throw on some Cyndi Lauper or perhaps Falco. (I love the 80s, love Simple Minds, not on a classic rock station though). Stations are slowly blending into one another, KZZP (KissFM) playing My Chemical Romance, The Edge playing The Fray, and the list goes on. So, a new station, with a great format, that actually tries to stick with that format would be great.

I have nothing against Energy 92.7 personally. I just feel that this market doesn't support that particular format--they barely register in the book, their station is programmed questionably (more based upon some of the observations I've noticed from others more ensconced in that format) and they don't have a powerful signal--although I think that's the least of their issues.

I don't doubt that their web stream does well, based on some of the other popular electronic formats I see, they probably get anywhere from hundreds or perhaps thousands of concurrent listeners--which is great, but the internet is a different market entirely from Phoenix. I guess everyone enjoys their 5 rock stations that all sound alike more.

 

[Saladressing]

No worries everybody. Some people just like to complain.