It's a curious thing to read posts supporting the variety hits format. It makes me wonder if the people who post them are individuals who have enough of a background as DJs or PDs to talk the radio lingo, but are actually now on the corporate level of a large broadcast company. Knowing that the Jack/variety format is eliminating radio jobs, they must submit posts talking about how great the format and Arbitron numbers are?
-
Get involved.
We want your input!
Apply for Membership and join the conversations about everything related to broadcasting.
After we receive your registration, a moderator will review it. After your registration is approved, you will be permitted to post.
If you use a disposable or false email address, your registration will be rejected.
After your membership is approved, please take a minute to tell us a little bit about yourself.
https://www.radiodiscussions.com/forums/introduce-yourself.1088/
Thanks in advance and have fun!
RadioDiscussions Administrators
More Jack, less jobs
- Thread starter Steppenwolf
- Start date
Just Another Anti-Jack Radio Post...
> It's a curious thing to read posts supporting the variety
> hits format. It makes me wonder if the people who post them
> are individuals who have enough of a background as DJs or
> PDs to talk the radio lingo, but are actually now on the
> corporate level of a large broadcast company. Knowing that
> the Jack/variety format is eliminating radio jobs, they must
> submit posts talking about how great the format and Arbitron
> numbers are?
>
...thats what it is. Radio is a business and people who go into the business know that there is a high chance of losing their job. It happens. It may be eliminating jobs, but it is what it is. Its about the listeners, not us. You're basically saying thousands and thousands of listeners don't support those who lost their jobs. Come on.<P ID="signature">______________
The Place for the Latest Happenings in Radio
www.freewebs.com/radiostuffandnews
</P>
> It's a curious thing to read posts supporting the variety
> hits format. It makes me wonder if the people who post them
> are individuals who have enough of a background as DJs or
> PDs to talk the radio lingo, but are actually now on the
> corporate level of a large broadcast company. Knowing that
> the Jack/variety format is eliminating radio jobs, they must
> submit posts talking about how great the format and Arbitron
> numbers are?
>
...thats what it is. Radio is a business and people who go into the business know that there is a high chance of losing their job. It happens. It may be eliminating jobs, but it is what it is. Its about the listeners, not us. You're basically saying thousands and thousands of listeners don't support those who lost their jobs. Come on.<P ID="signature">______________
The Place for the Latest Happenings in Radio
www.freewebs.com/radiostuffandnews
</P>
O
OldiesCat
Guest
Anti-Jack Radio
Actually, there are MORE radio jobs today than ever. People (especially the less- informed previous poster) forgets that as far back as the 70s and early 80s, the move-in phenomenon had not yet begun, plus they forget the fact that many, many stations were totally automated (the old way). There are more competitive signals than ever in competitive markets.
The only people who cry about Jack taking jobs are those on-the-fence radio types- those who've always barely hung on because they weren't good enough, motivated enough or talented enough to move up the ladder. The ONLY people who are whining about Jack taking jock jobs are those who are so frustrated and embittered they feel it's about time they're gonna get left behind. And, that may not be such a bad thing.
THEN they troll for a subject they can bash on, they don't do their homework and make outrageous and false statements (Steppenwolf on the Indiana board about Jack failing everywhere).
As in any business, the excess will always find a way to get themselves eliminated. The strong, motivated and talented always find new ways to learn and grow AND those are the personalities who'll always have a place in radio.
>
> ...thats what it is. Radio is a business and people who go
> into the business know that there is a high chance of losing
> their job. It happens. It may be eliminating jobs, but it is
> what it is. Its about the listeners, not us. You're
> basically saying thousands and thousands of listeners don't
> support those who lost their jobs. Come on.
>
Actually, there are MORE radio jobs today than ever. People (especially the less- informed previous poster) forgets that as far back as the 70s and early 80s, the move-in phenomenon had not yet begun, plus they forget the fact that many, many stations were totally automated (the old way). There are more competitive signals than ever in competitive markets.
The only people who cry about Jack taking jobs are those on-the-fence radio types- those who've always barely hung on because they weren't good enough, motivated enough or talented enough to move up the ladder. The ONLY people who are whining about Jack taking jock jobs are those who are so frustrated and embittered they feel it's about time they're gonna get left behind. And, that may not be such a bad thing.
THEN they troll for a subject they can bash on, they don't do their homework and make outrageous and false statements (Steppenwolf on the Indiana board about Jack failing everywhere).
As in any business, the excess will always find a way to get themselves eliminated. The strong, motivated and talented always find new ways to learn and grow AND those are the personalities who'll always have a place in radio.
>
> ...thats what it is. Radio is a business and people who go
> into the business know that there is a high chance of losing
> their job. It happens. It may be eliminating jobs, but it is
> what it is. Its about the listeners, not us. You're
> basically saying thousands and thousands of listeners don't
> support those who lost their jobs. Come on.
>
Re: Anti-Jack Radio
There seems to be many jobs in radio in this day of age. I don't think it is Jack, but just people complaining because they lost a job over Jack. I think that, if you were good to begin with, you should be able to recover and get another job in radio. There seems to be sooo many positions and shifts in radio, that there could be unlimited options.
For me, I am just starting out in radio, though have been at a commercial station for a year already. I am still board oping, but they LOVE me there, due to me running a tight board. That makes me proud, to hear my tight board as well. I feel like I accomplished something. Hopefully someday, I will be able to move up and up and up, through my years in college when I arrive, and so forth.
So to sum this up, Jack isn't taking radio jobs away really that much. It may have some effect, but the dj who lost their job should be able to recover IF they did care about their job and radio (and of course, put their heart and soul over the air, so to speak).
Jake
> Actually, there are MORE radio jobs today than ever. People
> (especially the less- informed previous poster) forgets that
> as far back as the 70s and early 80s, the move-in phenomenon
> had not yet begun, plus they forget the fact that many, many
> stations were totally automated (the old way). There are
> more competitive signals than ever in competitive markets.
>
> The only people who cry about Jack taking jobs are those
> on-the-fence radio types- those who've always barely hung on
> because they weren't good enough, motivated enough or
> talented enough to move up the ladder. The ONLY people who
> are whining about Jack taking jock jobs are those who are so
> frustrated and embittered they feel it's about time they're
> gonna get left behind. And, that may not be such a bad
> thing.
>
> THEN they troll for a subject they can bash on, they don't
> do their homework and make outrageous and false statements
> (Steppenwolf on the Indiana board about Jack failing
> everywhere).
>
> As in any business, the excess will always find a way to get
> themselves eliminated. The strong, motivated and talented
> always find new ways to learn and grow AND those are the
> personalities who'll always have a place in radio.
>
> >
> > ...thats what it is. Radio is a business and people who go
>
> > into the business know that there is a high chance of
> losing
> > their job. It happens. It may be eliminating jobs, but it
> is
> > what it is. Its about the listeners, not us. You're
> > basically saying thousands and thousands of listeners
> don't
> > support those who lost their jobs. Come on.
> >
>
<P ID="signature">______________
Moderator, Community Radio board</P>
There seems to be many jobs in radio in this day of age. I don't think it is Jack, but just people complaining because they lost a job over Jack. I think that, if you were good to begin with, you should be able to recover and get another job in radio. There seems to be sooo many positions and shifts in radio, that there could be unlimited options.
For me, I am just starting out in radio, though have been at a commercial station for a year already. I am still board oping, but they LOVE me there, due to me running a tight board. That makes me proud, to hear my tight board as well. I feel like I accomplished something. Hopefully someday, I will be able to move up and up and up, through my years in college when I arrive, and so forth.
So to sum this up, Jack isn't taking radio jobs away really that much. It may have some effect, but the dj who lost their job should be able to recover IF they did care about their job and radio (and of course, put their heart and soul over the air, so to speak).
Jake
> Actually, there are MORE radio jobs today than ever. People
> (especially the less- informed previous poster) forgets that
> as far back as the 70s and early 80s, the move-in phenomenon
> had not yet begun, plus they forget the fact that many, many
> stations were totally automated (the old way). There are
> more competitive signals than ever in competitive markets.
>
> The only people who cry about Jack taking jobs are those
> on-the-fence radio types- those who've always barely hung on
> because they weren't good enough, motivated enough or
> talented enough to move up the ladder. The ONLY people who
> are whining about Jack taking jock jobs are those who are so
> frustrated and embittered they feel it's about time they're
> gonna get left behind. And, that may not be such a bad
> thing.
>
> THEN they troll for a subject they can bash on, they don't
> do their homework and make outrageous and false statements
> (Steppenwolf on the Indiana board about Jack failing
> everywhere).
>
> As in any business, the excess will always find a way to get
> themselves eliminated. The strong, motivated and talented
> always find new ways to learn and grow AND those are the
> personalities who'll always have a place in radio.
>
> >
> > ...thats what it is. Radio is a business and people who go
>
> > into the business know that there is a high chance of
> losing
> > their job. It happens. It may be eliminating jobs, but it
> is
> > what it is. Its about the listeners, not us. You're
> > basically saying thousands and thousands of listeners
> don't
> > support those who lost their jobs. Come on.
> >
>
<P ID="signature">______________
Moderator, Community Radio board</P>
O
OldiesCat
Guest
Anti-Jack Radio
Correct. Besides, just about EVERY format changes results in some job losses (then the subsequent job GAINS when that new station staffs up, which the Jacks will eventually do)
There seems to be many jobs in radio in this day of age. I
> don't think it is Jack, but just people complaining because
> they lost a job over Jack. I think that, if you were good to
> begin with, you should be able to recover and get another
> job in radio. There seems to be sooo many positions and
> shifts in radio, that there could be unlimited options.
>
> For me, I am just starting out in radio, though have been at
> a commercial station for a year already. I am still board
> oping, but they LOVE me there, due to me running a tight
> board. That makes me proud, to hear my tight board as well.
> I feel like I accomplished something. Hopefully someday, I
> will be able to move up and up and up, through my years in
> college when I arrive, and so forth.
>
> So to sum this up, Jack isn't taking radio jobs away really
> that much. It may have some effect, but the dj who lost
> their job should be able to recover IF they did care about
> their job and radio (and of course, put their heart and soul
> over the air, so to speak).
>
> Jake
>
> > Actually, there are MORE radio jobs today than ever.
> People
> > (especially the less- informed previous poster) forgets
> that
> > as far back as the 70s and early 80s, the move-in
> phenomenon
> > had not yet begun, plus they forget the fact that many,
> many
> > stations were totally automated (the old way). There are
> > more competitive signals than ever in competitive markets.
>
> >
> > The only people who cry about Jack taking jobs are those
> > on-the-fence radio types- those who've always barely hung
> on
> > because they weren't good enough, motivated enough or
> > talented enough to move up the ladder. The ONLY people
> who
> > are whining about Jack taking jock jobs are those who are
> so
> > frustrated and embittered they feel it's about time
> they're
> > gonna get left behind. And, that may not be such a bad
> > thing.
> >
> > THEN they troll for a subject they can bash on, they don't
>
> > do their homework and make outrageous and false statements
>
> > (Steppenwolf on the Indiana board about Jack failing
> > everywhere).
> >
> > As in any business, the excess will always find a way to
> get
> > themselves eliminated. The strong, motivated and talented
>
> > always find new ways to learn and grow AND those are the
> > personalities who'll always have a place in radio.
> >
> > >
> > > ...thats what it is. Radio is a business and people who
> go
> >
> > > into the business know that there is a high chance of
> > losing
> > > their job. It happens. It may be eliminating jobs, but
> it
> > is
> > > what it is. Its about the listeners, not us. You're
> > > basically saying thousands and thousands of listeners
> > don't
> > > support those who lost their jobs. Come on.
> > >
> >
>
Correct. Besides, just about EVERY format changes results in some job losses (then the subsequent job GAINS when that new station staffs up, which the Jacks will eventually do)
There seems to be many jobs in radio in this day of age. I
> don't think it is Jack, but just people complaining because
> they lost a job over Jack. I think that, if you were good to
> begin with, you should be able to recover and get another
> job in radio. There seems to be sooo many positions and
> shifts in radio, that there could be unlimited options.
>
> For me, I am just starting out in radio, though have been at
> a commercial station for a year already. I am still board
> oping, but they LOVE me there, due to me running a tight
> board. That makes me proud, to hear my tight board as well.
> I feel like I accomplished something. Hopefully someday, I
> will be able to move up and up and up, through my years in
> college when I arrive, and so forth.
>
> So to sum this up, Jack isn't taking radio jobs away really
> that much. It may have some effect, but the dj who lost
> their job should be able to recover IF they did care about
> their job and radio (and of course, put their heart and soul
> over the air, so to speak).
>
> Jake
>
> > Actually, there are MORE radio jobs today than ever.
> People
> > (especially the less- informed previous poster) forgets
> that
> > as far back as the 70s and early 80s, the move-in
> phenomenon
> > had not yet begun, plus they forget the fact that many,
> many
> > stations were totally automated (the old way). There are
> > more competitive signals than ever in competitive markets.
>
> >
> > The only people who cry about Jack taking jobs are those
> > on-the-fence radio types- those who've always barely hung
> on
> > because they weren't good enough, motivated enough or
> > talented enough to move up the ladder. The ONLY people
> who
> > are whining about Jack taking jock jobs are those who are
> so
> > frustrated and embittered they feel it's about time
> they're
> > gonna get left behind. And, that may not be such a bad
> > thing.
> >
> > THEN they troll for a subject they can bash on, they don't
>
> > do their homework and make outrageous and false statements
>
> > (Steppenwolf on the Indiana board about Jack failing
> > everywhere).
> >
> > As in any business, the excess will always find a way to
> get
> > themselves eliminated. The strong, motivated and talented
>
> > always find new ways to learn and grow AND those are the
> > personalities who'll always have a place in radio.
> >
> > >
> > > ...thats what it is. Radio is a business and people who
> go
> >
> > > into the business know that there is a high chance of
> > losing
> > > their job. It happens. It may be eliminating jobs, but
> it
> > is
> > > what it is. Its about the listeners, not us. You're
> > > basically saying thousands and thousands of listeners
> > don't
> > > support those who lost their jobs. Come on.
> > >
> >
>
Re: Anti-Jack Radio
Here's an interesting thought:
I'd venture to say people displaced by Jack is less than
any other format yet. Most of the staff from WCBS have
moved on, WCJK in Nashville were hired instantly by
Cumulus. Same is true for WOKI in Knoxville. I think
only one does not have a job, but will soon.
If you look at any format which flips, you
see similar things happen, but it seems like everyone
is REALLY obsessed with Jack NOT hiring staff again.
That too, will probably happen. Regardless, in the
majority of markets where Jack has gone, few people
are actually standing in the unemployment lines,
UNLESS they decided to themselves. Good talent has
a way of being in demand.<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by tibbs on 11/03/05 01:45 PM.</FONT></P>
Here's an interesting thought:
I'd venture to say people displaced by Jack is less than
any other format yet. Most of the staff from WCBS have
moved on, WCJK in Nashville were hired instantly by
Cumulus. Same is true for WOKI in Knoxville. I think
only one does not have a job, but will soon.
If you look at any format which flips, you
see similar things happen, but it seems like everyone
is REALLY obsessed with Jack NOT hiring staff again.
That too, will probably happen. Regardless, in the
majority of markets where Jack has gone, few people
are actually standing in the unemployment lines,
UNLESS they decided to themselves. Good talent has
a way of being in demand.<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by tibbs on 11/03/05 01:45 PM.</FONT></P>
O
OldiesCat
Guest
Jack Radio
Very true. Paranoia and insecurity is one trait of disc jockeys that's never changed.
> Here's an interesting thought:
>
> I'd venture to say people displaced by Jack is less than
> any other format yet. Most of the staff from WCBS have
> moved on, WCJK in Nashville were hired instantly by
> Cumulus. Same is true for WOKI in Knoxville. I think
> only one does not have a job, but will soon.
>
> If you look at any format which flips, you
> see similar things happen, but it seems like everyone
> is REALLY obsessed with Jack NOT hiring staff again.
> That too, will probably happen. Regardless, in the
> majority of markets where Jack has gone, few people
> are actually standing in the unemployment lines,
> UNLESS they decided to themselves. Good talent has
> a way of being in demand.
>
Very true. Paranoia and insecurity is one trait of disc jockeys that's never changed.
> Here's an interesting thought:
>
> I'd venture to say people displaced by Jack is less than
> any other format yet. Most of the staff from WCBS have
> moved on, WCJK in Nashville were hired instantly by
> Cumulus. Same is true for WOKI in Knoxville. I think
> only one does not have a job, but will soon.
>
> If you look at any format which flips, you
> see similar things happen, but it seems like everyone
> is REALLY obsessed with Jack NOT hiring staff again.
> That too, will probably happen. Regardless, in the
> majority of markets where Jack has gone, few people
> are actually standing in the unemployment lines,
> UNLESS they decided to themselves. Good talent has
> a way of being in demand.
>
Re: Anti-Jack Radio
> Correct. Besides, just about EVERY format changes results
> in some job losses (then the subsequent job GAINS when that
> new station staffs up, which the Jacks will eventually do)
But as someone who is not a VH-basher, let me ask this: Can a VH restaff when so many of the sweepers (particularly the listener phone calls) proclaim that no DJs is a *good* thing about them?
I heard that in Dallas (and no doubt some of the other Jacks), they've been running a sweeper after those NBC commercials with the faux morning team talking about NBC's lineup in which Howard says, "Nice commercial. Now you know why we don't have disk jockeys at Jack FM." That's a sweeper that's not conducive to having air staff--or will people even remember?
I guess I just keep thinking of CD94.7 hiring Kevin Matthews for morning drive after all of those sweepers proclaiming "no boring morning show"--that hurt that format (classic rock) more than anything else, IMHO. Or is that apples and oranges?
> Correct. Besides, just about EVERY format changes results
> in some job losses (then the subsequent job GAINS when that
> new station staffs up, which the Jacks will eventually do)
But as someone who is not a VH-basher, let me ask this: Can a VH restaff when so many of the sweepers (particularly the listener phone calls) proclaim that no DJs is a *good* thing about them?
I heard that in Dallas (and no doubt some of the other Jacks), they've been running a sweeper after those NBC commercials with the faux morning team talking about NBC's lineup in which Howard says, "Nice commercial. Now you know why we don't have disk jockeys at Jack FM." That's a sweeper that's not conducive to having air staff--or will people even remember?
I guess I just keep thinking of CD94.7 hiring Kevin Matthews for morning drive after all of those sweepers proclaiming "no boring morning show"--that hurt that format (classic rock) more than anything else, IMHO. Or is that apples and oranges?
Re: Anti-Jack Radio
Amen bro! Sounds like me 30 some years ago when I worked nights and weekends at a comercial station while going to college in southeatern ohio...hmm what well known college could that be? One thing I learned fast was look at other areas in the biz like the sales department. When I saw the advancement of automation I explored sales, did morning drive, sold 4 hours a day then did my production in the afternoon. Eventualy I went into sales full time, I'd always enjoy being on the air but when it came to raising a family I knew what I had to do. In about 13 years I can retire in sales, if my health is good maybe I can putz part time on the air to pay for green fees!
Amen bro! Sounds like me 30 some years ago when I worked nights and weekends at a comercial station while going to college in southeatern ohio...hmm what well known college could that be? One thing I learned fast was look at other areas in the biz like the sales department. When I saw the advancement of automation I explored sales, did morning drive, sold 4 hours a day then did my production in the afternoon. Eventualy I went into sales full time, I'd always enjoy being on the air but when it came to raising a family I knew what I had to do. In about 13 years I can retire in sales, if my health is good maybe I can putz part time on the air to pay for green fees!
Re: Anti-Jack Radio
> Actually, there are MORE radio jobs today than ever. People
> (especially the less- informed previous poster) forgets that
> as far back as the 70s and early 80s, the move-in phenomenon
> had not yet begun, plus they forget the fact that many, many
> stations were totally automated (the old way). There are
> more competitive signals than ever in competitive markets.
>
Not sure I agree that there are more radio jobs today than ever. Maybe in sales, but not in programming. Look at the extent of voicetracking...it's not uncommon for a jock to do a "shift" on multiple stations within a group. Even major market stations are voicetracking these days. The job market for weekenders (outside of large markets) is nil.
> Actually, there are MORE radio jobs today than ever. People
> (especially the less- informed previous poster) forgets that
> as far back as the 70s and early 80s, the move-in phenomenon
> had not yet begun, plus they forget the fact that many, many
> stations were totally automated (the old way). There are
> more competitive signals than ever in competitive markets.
>
Not sure I agree that there are more radio jobs today than ever. Maybe in sales, but not in programming. Look at the extent of voicetracking...it's not uncommon for a jock to do a "shift" on multiple stations within a group. Even major market stations are voicetracking these days. The job market for weekenders (outside of large markets) is nil.
Re: Jack Radio
> Very true. Paranoia and insecurity is one trait of disc
> jockeys that's never changed.
>
In the case of WJMK, 3 DJ's are so far still employed by Infinity Broadcasting since they're still under contract and broadcasting on an IBOC sub-channel. Dick Biondi would have a difficult time getting another DJ job in most markets because of his age, and with what he's being paid, smaller market oldies stations won't hire him unless he's willing to take a big paycut. Depending on the age of the dj, his or her age will partially play out which format he/she can be put on. Someone who fits in an oldies format might be able to get into a classic rock or Classic Hits format, or a new radio station (mostly found in the largest markets). But I do find it disturbing that a format like Jack takes jobs and doesn't replace them in way way as far as airstaff. Same with a station that runs satellite programming (from WW1, Jones, & ABC) and the satellite service trying to make themselves sound local, but won't mention the name of the station live on air. Even worse than the cyberjocks that CC has voice-tracking for different stations, which they at least will mention the name of the station, and even mention the name of the station while handling a call on the air, unlike WW1, which Mike Tanner says, this is such & such's favorite radio station.
> Very true. Paranoia and insecurity is one trait of disc
> jockeys that's never changed.
>
In the case of WJMK, 3 DJ's are so far still employed by Infinity Broadcasting since they're still under contract and broadcasting on an IBOC sub-channel. Dick Biondi would have a difficult time getting another DJ job in most markets because of his age, and with what he's being paid, smaller market oldies stations won't hire him unless he's willing to take a big paycut. Depending on the age of the dj, his or her age will partially play out which format he/she can be put on. Someone who fits in an oldies format might be able to get into a classic rock or Classic Hits format, or a new radio station (mostly found in the largest markets). But I do find it disturbing that a format like Jack takes jobs and doesn't replace them in way way as far as airstaff. Same with a station that runs satellite programming (from WW1, Jones, & ABC) and the satellite service trying to make themselves sound local, but won't mention the name of the station live on air. Even worse than the cyberjocks that CC has voice-tracking for different stations, which they at least will mention the name of the station, and even mention the name of the station while handling a call on the air, unlike WW1, which Mike Tanner says, this is such & such's favorite radio station.
- Status