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MORE KGOW ISSUES

KGOW is in dead air as of about 4:45am. Audio came back for about 1 min around 5:05, then out again. In and out for awhile, mostly dead air.
This is what happens with deregulation and no local operator.

Old Chicago
 
Thanks for the heads up. The problem though was not operater related. The T1 going out to the night site was in and out. At least you were listening at 4:45am. Thanks again.
 
OldChicago said:
This is what happens with deregulation and no local operator.

Old Chicago

You know what happens when you ASSume...

Heaven forbid a station have equipment issues.
 
Rad10 said:
Thanks for the heads up. The problem though was not operater related. The T1 going out to the night site was in and out. At least you were listening at 4:45am. Thanks again.

It appears the "problem" that IS "operator error" is KGOW's ratings performance. October should have been a big month for the new Yahoo Sports Radio 1560...but instead they pull another .1 share and sink 40% from October 2011 to an inexcusable 38,500 6+ cume...that's the "operator problem" not the T1 line. Now we'll see if the KFNC PD, Dave Tepper, can do to 1560 what he did to 97.5...which ain't much.
 
socalguy said:
Rad10 said:
Thanks for the heads up. The problem though was not operater related. The T1 going out to the night site was in and out. At least you were listening at 4:45am. Thanks again.

It appears the "problem" that IS "operator error" is KGOW's ratings performance. October should have been a big month for the new Yahoo Sports Radio 1560...but instead they pull another .1 share and sink 40% from October 2011 to an inexcusable 38,500 6+ cume...that's the "operator problem" not the T1 line. Now we'll see if the KFNC PD, Dave Tepper, can do to 1560 what he did to 97.5...which ain't much.

What's your point? Did somebody piss on your shoes or something? These people are trying there best here. Do you have anything constructive to help these people keep there jobs in tough times? Anything good at all? Why are you so happy that there ratings are bad?
 
A lot of people on the Houston board like to criticize KGOW because these guys are all millionaires who own there own sports network, so they know what they're talking about...

Oh...wait... no that's David Gow who owns a sports network, and these guys would be lucky to work for him. I do wish their ratings were higher because they are a pretty good group of people over there who try to put out a good product. I'm sure it's not easy being an independent broadcaster in a city dominated by conglomo-corps.

Most of the posts on the Houston board are complaining about how lame Houston radio is. But when 1560 tried to do something different, Houston gave them no love.
 
Lazy J said:
A lot of people on the Houston board like to criticize KGOW because these guys are all millionaires who own there own sports network, so they know what they're talking about...

Oh...wait... no that's David Gow who owns a sports network, and these guys would be lucky to work for him. I do wish their ratings were higher because they are a pretty good group of people over there who try to put out a good product. I'm sure it's not easy being an independent broadcaster in a city dominated by conglomo-corps.

Most of the posts on the Houston board are complaining about how lame Houston radio is. But when 1560 tried to do something different, Houston gave them no love.

You and I were in agreement until you stated KGOW tried something different? Different how? They are one of 5 different sports stations in Houston now. How is that different?
 
Well, it was different. But that was five years ago, then came the downward slide that was later running on greased rails to mediocrity and ultimate oblivion thanks to Yahoo! Sports. So you're right. Now it's nothing special at all.
 
jd said:
Well, it was different. But that was five years ago, then came the downward slide that was later running on greased rails to mediocrity and ultimate oblivion thanks to Yahoo! Sports. So you're right. Now it's nothing special at all.

Again my question is where is the helpful incite from all of you people? As far as everything goes, all radio around here sucks, and evryone should just close up shop and go look for other jobs? These folks love sports, so they try to do sports radio. What makes a good sports radio station? All of them basically sound the same, so how do they improve? Why just be negative? You guys are experts, tells us something good!
 
Rad10 said:
jd said:
Well, it was different. But that was five years ago, then came the downward slide that was later running on greased rails to mediocrity and ultimate oblivion thanks to Yahoo! Sports. So you're right. Now it's nothing special at all.

Again my question is where is the helpful incite from all of you people? As far as everything goes, all radio around here sucks, and evryone should just close up shop and go look for other jobs? These folks love sports, so they try to do sports radio. What makes a good sports radio station? All of them basically sound the same, so how do they improve? Why just be negative? You guys are experts, tells us something good!

Well for starters....what type of compensation package are you prepared to give me for my time and effort? Nothing free in this world....except for reading all of us gripe on a radio chat board. That's always free! ;D

Seriously though, how does your station improve? Try broadcasting something that 4 other stations aren't at the same time. (including your FM counterpart) I don't care who delivers the scores and news from the sports world. Just because X station delivers it in a different fashion than Y station doesn't change the fact that it's the same information, the same stories, the same saga from station to station. I don't need to hear 2 dozen different "experts" tell me the same stories from 2 dozen different perspectives. This market can support 2 sports stations. 1 local, 1 national. Is that the KFNC/KGOW combo? To this point, no. KGOW's signal holds you back, and that's got to be a thorn in Mr. Gow's side considering what he shelled out to increase the power for that rig. KFNC's not much better, but I get it as to why Gow Media picked that puppy up, as he paid pennies on the dollar for the station.

Rad10, we wouldn't be picking on you and your company, had you seperated yourself from the same ol' same ol' that the big boys do. You mentioned that you are a independant broadcaster, which means to me that you guys are free from the corporate rulings. So why does Gow continue to adhere to the corporate "big boy" model? I swear to God, KGOW sounds the same as CC's KBME and CBS's KILT-A to me. Nothing sets you guys apart. Why? Because there's nothing unique about your two properties. A couple of sports stations, that sound like the other sports stations in this market, and the Dallas market, and the Austin market...you see my point?

KFNC was acquired this year as the FM sports station, I assume, for a better signal than what Gow has with 1560. So why not move all the sports shows to the FM side and try something unique with 1560? There's a huge clamoring for several formats here in Houston that haven't been touched for years. They won't make money or ratings? Where have the ratings for KGOW been to this point? You telling me you couldn't increase revenue by spinning music on the station? You could go fully automated and not have to staff the station with anyone besides a board op. After all, your talent would have moved next door to KFNC and in an emergency could crack the KGOW mic and broadcast whatever pertinent information which needs to be delivered to the listeners.

I'd love to be positive about an independant broadcaster in the 5th largest market in the country. How blessed are we to actually have 2 of our stations owned by one? But for us to have positive remarks regarding the duo, you'd need to give us something to be positive about. Otherwise, we will continue to voice our displeasure with the two stations that you are a part of, and we recognize as a couple of "also rans". I certainly don't think everyone in radio here in Houston needs to close up shop. They just need to fire the asshats that consult for them and take some direction from the fine folks that listen...or at least attempt to listen to their stations. You want a high volume of listeners? Give them something to LISTEN to.

There you go. Please send my $0.02 to charity.
 
Thank you for trying to be positive and give your opinion. I don't disagree with what you are saying, but can you be more specific? You don't think that's what the programmers are trying to do? Give you something to listen to? What do you want to hear specifically? The only reason i ask is i really wish people would stop saying you guys suck, i don't like what you are doing, and give specific suggestions. Does that make any since?
 
Rad10 said:
Thank you for trying to be positive and give your opinion. I don't disagree with what you are saying, but can you be more specific? You don't think that's what the programmers are trying to do? Give you something to listen to? What do you want to hear specifically? The only reason i ask is i really wish people would stop saying you guys suck, i don't like what you are doing, and give specific suggestions. Does that make any since?

My personal opinion is that "sports talk" isn't sports radio, it's talk (gossip) radio. When I want sports, I just want live game broadcasts with good color commentary. I couldnt care less about talking heads. Just me, though I'm sure there's an audience for it.
 
Rad10 said:
Thanks for the heads up. The problem though was not operater related. The T1 going out to the night site was in and out. At least you were listening at 4:45am. Thanks again.

OOPS....sorry. My apologies.

OLD CHICAGO
 
Lazy J said:
OldChicago said:
This is what happens with deregulation and no local operator.

Old Chicago

You know what happens when you ASSume...

Heaven forbid a station have equipment issues.

AGAIN, I apoligise to anyone that I may offended but you must admit, most problems like that are usually caused by unmonitored
automation systems messing up. It does bring to mind a question tho. If the T1 line at KGOW was acting up, why did they not switch to a back-up system. Not necessarily another T1 line because that probably would be very expensive to have something like that. But
even a low-Q hardwire line or a microwave STL?

OLD CHICAGO
 
Rad10 said:
Thank you for trying to be positive and give your opinion. I don't disagree with what you are saying, but can you be more specific? You don't think that's what the programmers are trying to do? Give you something to listen to? What do you want to hear specifically? The only reason i ask is i really wish people would stop saying you guys suck, i don't like what you are doing, and give specific suggestions. Does that make any since?

Absolutely. Perfect sense. I believe you are making a mistake airing 2 different sports formats on the 2 stations. It's the same format, same scores being delivered, same topics being discussed on both stations, just from a different perspective. There are holes formatwise, in this city, that could be addressed. I can't understand the logic in having 5 different sports formatted stations in this city. It is overkill.

Personally, and I know you and others are probably tired of hearing this, I'd like to see KGOW play true oldies. There is a demand for 50-70's music on the airwaves in this market. I know the advertisers don't like the format anymore, but given that KGOW has been stagnant for awhile now in ratings and has 4 other stations (a couple with better signals in Houston proper) competing for the same listeners. As an oldies station, even on AM, KGOW would be the only player in town. There is money to be made in the format. KGBC attempted it, but the fast money from C.R.I. was too much for Siga to wait for KGBC to turn a profit under their leadership. KGBC was bringing on ads pretty fast when they went the C.R.I route in 2010. Quite a few refunds had to be given, if I was told the story correctly. Now, this is in Galveston. What is the potential for Houston, considering the market's listeners have been without since KLDE morphed into The Eagle a couple of years back.

To me, that seems like a pretty good investment in the station. The music comes from the bird, the employees on air @ KGOW would shift to KFNC, losing no one's job, and KGOW gains ratings by default as no one would be competing for your listeners as there is no competition. Why does a market like Austin, which is heavily populated by college age kids, have a fulltime Oldies station but not Houston? Or San Antonio? Or Dallas? Seems to me that some diversity on the dial would certainly slow down the constant negativity concerning our market and its 80 some odd stations.

Music on AM isn't dead. San Antonio proves it every day, as does Dallas and Austin. I hear plenty of music on the band even here in Houston. However, it is 99% Spanish. If it is profitable enough for Univision, Liberman, etc. to continue with those formats, how can it be justified that an English language music station can not survive in this market?

KGOW as a sports station in this market was never the initial idea, if I understand correctly. Was supposed to be a "guy talk" station with sports and other topics mixed in. That must not have worked, because KGOW moved all sports within a year or so of its initial launch. I hate to tell you, but from this listener's perspective, what KGOW is doing now is apparently not working either. I asked quite a few people I know this weekend what station they listened to for sports, and everytime the response was "610". KGOW has been on the air for what, 5 years now, and there are a significant amount of people that aren't even aware the station is there. I just don't believe KGOW can ever muster up enough listenership as a sports station, with 610 having such a huge advantage, and 3 other stations vying for the remainder of what KILT doesn't keep.
 
That was an excellent post. I totally understand where you are coming from. You are correct on one point, it is hard to sell oldies to advertisers in this city. Even with bad ratings, it is still possible to sell. As long as there is a glimmer of hope, They will continue with the sports format. Mr. Gow loves the sports format. There may come a time that there will come a major change. I just hate to hear all of the bashing. We are all trying to do the best with what we are given to work with here.
 
Well I want to thank you personally for taking the time to actually speak to me. I guarantee that never would've been the case from a member of the big corporations.

Can I ask you this, since Mr. Gow is a die hard sports fan and wants to hold on to both brands of sports programming, why wouldn't he put the network he owns on the FM as opposed to running the competitor on the superior stick? Seems to me that Y!SR should now be on the FM as the flagship for Gow and the competing ESPN programming moved down to the inferior 1560 signal. Is that a stipulation in the contract signed with Cumulus, or something that simply hasn't been considered by Gow Media?
 
purpledevil said:
Well I want to thank you personally for taking the time to actually speak to me. I guarantee that never would've been the case from a member of the big corporations.

Can I ask you this, since Mr. Gow is a die hard sports fan and wants to hold on to both brands of sports programming, why wouldn't he put the network he owns on the FM as opposed to running the competitor on the superior stick? Seems to me that Y!SR should now be on the FM as the flagship for Gow and the competing ESPN programming moved down to the inferior 1560 signal. Is that a stipulation in the contract signed with Cumulus, or something that simply hasn't been considered by Gow Media?

Sorry i can't be totally specific, but let's just say if it ain't broke don't fix it. (It makes money without changes).
 
Rad10 said:
purpledevil said:
Well I want to thank you personally for taking the time to actually speak to me. I guarantee that never would've been the case from a member of the big corporations.

Can I ask you this, since Mr. Gow is a die hard sports fan and wants to hold on to both brands of sports programming, why wouldn't he put the network he owns on the FM as opposed to running the competitor on the superior stick? Seems to me that Y!SR should now be on the FM as the flagship for Gow and the competing ESPN programming moved down to the inferior 1560 signal. Is that a stipulation in the contract signed with Cumulus, or something that simply hasn't been considered by Gow Media?

Sorry i can't be totally specific, but let's just say if it ain't broke don't fix it. (It makes money without changes).

Understood. Don't want to put you in a precarious position. I certainly appreciate that you took the time to talk to me. As an avid radio fan and hobbyist, its certainly nice to know that there are those like you, Chuck Tiller, and bturner that are up to their elbows with the daily grind of operations, yet find the time to have an open and quality conversation with an everyday listener perusing the board. My thanks and respect goes to you sir. All my best to you and yours.
 
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