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decline of Oldies
wow- big lump in MY throat. Definitely worth reading (maybe several times)
and saving.
http://www.keener13.com/wcbs.asp
>
wow- big lump in MY throat. Definitely worth reading (maybe several times)
and saving.
http://www.keener13.com/wcbs.asp
>
Re: decline of Oldies
I don't agree with every point, but a couple points stand out:
Radio is run by a couple of generations of programmers who don't know how to do great radio, think outside a box, or encourage talent. And, who GREW UP listening to segues, stale back sells, and liners. Or radio based on album radio formatics, with minimal "stationality". Even the guys who are in charge of Oldies radio, in many cases, are AOR guys.
The roots of this go back to the 70s when AOR began to be a factor and was pretty much set in stone as music formats moved to FM. It was all about the music, and keeping any "clutter" to a minimum. To a degree this was a good thing..."Good Guys radio" was annoying in retrospect...between sound effects, drop-ins and jocks who couldn't do character voices worth a damn but did anyway. Of course, we ended up throwing out the baby with the bathwater.
But the comment that says it all:
Suddenly, he turned serious and remarked "our time is over, the style of radio we did and loved is gone".
It hurts, but it's true. The "kids" who grew up on 60s-style Top 40 radio are over 50 now. Old and in the way. I guess we can take comfort in that when we were teenagers this is how OUR parents' generation felt too.
I don't agree with every point, but a couple points stand out:
Radio is run by a couple of generations of programmers who don't know how to do great radio, think outside a box, or encourage talent. And, who GREW UP listening to segues, stale back sells, and liners. Or radio based on album radio formatics, with minimal "stationality". Even the guys who are in charge of Oldies radio, in many cases, are AOR guys.
The roots of this go back to the 70s when AOR began to be a factor and was pretty much set in stone as music formats moved to FM. It was all about the music, and keeping any "clutter" to a minimum. To a degree this was a good thing..."Good Guys radio" was annoying in retrospect...between sound effects, drop-ins and jocks who couldn't do character voices worth a damn but did anyway. Of course, we ended up throwing out the baby with the bathwater.
But the comment that says it all:
Suddenly, he turned serious and remarked "our time is over, the style of radio we did and loved is gone".
It hurts, but it's true. The "kids" who grew up on 60s-style Top 40 radio are over 50 now. Old and in the way. I guess we can take comfort in that when we were teenagers this is how OUR parents' generation felt too.
Re: decline of Oldies
> wow- big lump in MY throat. Definitely worth reading (maybe
> several times)
> and saving.
>
>
> http://www.keener13.com/wcbs.asp
> >
>
Yep. I truly feel old and outdated now, too. We all saw
this train coming with dereg. Just didn't think it would
be this fast. Look ahead in five years. Glad I'm out of
the business now. That reminds me of why I miss the
best parts of it. The energy source is gone. And to
pull out one comment --- the ipod comment --- I don't
think any young people using ipods are thinking Jack
FM is cool enough to listen to. It's the people over
"the ipod age" that are being forgotten. And they have
two things going for them that radio forgets:
1.) They may be over 40, but they still like rock and
roll --- AOR, Oldies, but not today's "CHR." And they
have the $$$.
2.) They don't act like their parents did when their
parents were 40-50-60. 50 is yesteryears 40, etc.
They still laugh, clebrate and party. Hell, they're
hopefully gonna live another 40 years.
Grim future for sure.
> wow- big lump in MY throat. Definitely worth reading (maybe
> several times)
> and saving.
>
>
> http://www.keener13.com/wcbs.asp
> >
>
Yep. I truly feel old and outdated now, too. We all saw
this train coming with dereg. Just didn't think it would
be this fast. Look ahead in five years. Glad I'm out of
the business now. That reminds me of why I miss the
best parts of it. The energy source is gone. And to
pull out one comment --- the ipod comment --- I don't
think any young people using ipods are thinking Jack
FM is cool enough to listen to. It's the people over
"the ipod age" that are being forgotten. And they have
two things going for them that radio forgets:
1.) They may be over 40, but they still like rock and
roll --- AOR, Oldies, but not today's "CHR." And they
have the $$$.
2.) They don't act like their parents did when their
parents were 40-50-60. 50 is yesteryears 40, etc.
They still laugh, clebrate and party. Hell, they're
hopefully gonna live another 40 years.
Grim future for sure.
Re: decline of Oldies
> I don't agree with every point, but a couple points stand
> out:
>
> Radio is run by a couple of generations of programmers who
> don't know how to do great radio, think outside a box, or
> encourage talent. And, who GREW UP listening to segues,
> stale back sells, and liners. Or radio based on album radio
> formatics, with minimal "stationality". Even the guys who
> are in charge of Oldies radio, in many cases, are AOR guys.
>
>
> The roots of this go back to the 70s when AOR began to be a
> factor and was pretty much set in stone as music formats
> moved to FM. It was all about the music, and keeping any
> "clutter" to a minimum. To a degree this was a good
> thing..."Good Guys radio" was annoying in
> retrospect...between sound effects, drop-ins and jocks who
> couldn't do character voices worth a damn but did anyway.
> Of course, we ended up throwing out the baby with the
> bathwater.
>
> But the comment that says it all:
> Suddenly, he turned serious and remarked "our time is over,
> the style of radio we did and loved is gone".
>
>
> It hurts, but it's true. The "kids" who grew up on
> 60s-style Top 40 radio are over 50 now. Old and in the way.
> I guess we can take comfort in that when we were teenagers
> this is how OUR parents' generation felt too.
>
Man, get over it. It is not 1965 any more. we don't drive cars all covered with chrome, we don't wear bell bottoms, we don't watch Gunsmoke. I realize aportion of oldies listeners are trying to relive the happiest years of thier lives, but radio is not a psychology machine.
> I don't agree with every point, but a couple points stand
> out:
>
> Radio is run by a couple of generations of programmers who
> don't know how to do great radio, think outside a box, or
> encourage talent. And, who GREW UP listening to segues,
> stale back sells, and liners. Or radio based on album radio
> formatics, with minimal "stationality". Even the guys who
> are in charge of Oldies radio, in many cases, are AOR guys.
>
>
> The roots of this go back to the 70s when AOR began to be a
> factor and was pretty much set in stone as music formats
> moved to FM. It was all about the music, and keeping any
> "clutter" to a minimum. To a degree this was a good
> thing..."Good Guys radio" was annoying in
> retrospect...between sound effects, drop-ins and jocks who
> couldn't do character voices worth a damn but did anyway.
> Of course, we ended up throwing out the baby with the
> bathwater.
>
> But the comment that says it all:
> Suddenly, he turned serious and remarked "our time is over,
> the style of radio we did and loved is gone".
>
>
> It hurts, but it's true. The "kids" who grew up on
> 60s-style Top 40 radio are over 50 now. Old and in the way.
> I guess we can take comfort in that when we were teenagers
> this is how OUR parents' generation felt too.
>
Man, get over it. It is not 1965 any more. we don't drive cars all covered with chrome, we don't wear bell bottoms, we don't watch Gunsmoke. I realize aportion of oldies listeners are trying to relive the happiest years of thier lives, but radio is not a psychology machine.
Re: decline of Oldies
For everybody who loved the old top 40 formatics, there was somebody else who thought they were childish, and ran to Progressive Rock FM as soon as it was available. Does anyone think that anyone, including today's teenagers, would listen to a screaming Coyote Calhoun, or call in for their "boogie check"? The article points to consolodation as the culprit, and, though there is a lot of truth to it, there are other factors at work. And yes, in the "good old days", there were stations that stunk up the place, managers and programmers who didn't have a clue, low pay,and just about every other complaint we hear today.
> > I don't agree with every point, but a couple points stand
> > out:
> >
> > Radio is run by a couple of generations of programmers who
>
> > don't know how to do great radio, think outside a box, or
> > encourage talent. And, who GREW UP listening to segues,
> > stale back sells, and liners. Or radio based on album
> radio
> > formatics, with minimal "stationality". Even the guys who
> > are in charge of Oldies radio, in many cases, are AOR
> guys.
> >
> >
> > The roots of this go back to the 70s when AOR began to be
> a
> > factor and was pretty much set in stone as music formats
> > moved to FM. It was all about the music, and keeping any
> > "clutter" to a minimum. To a degree this was a good
> > thing..."Good Guys radio" was annoying in
> > retrospect...between sound effects, drop-ins and jocks who
>
> > couldn't do character voices worth a damn but did anyway.
>
> > Of course, we ended up throwing out the baby with the
> > bathwater.
> >
> > But the comment that says it all:
> > Suddenly, he turned serious and remarked "our time is
> over,
> > the style of radio we did and loved is gone".
> >
> >
> > It hurts, but it's true. The "kids" who grew up on
> > 60s-style Top 40 radio are over 50 now. Old and in the
> way.
> > I guess we can take comfort in that when we were
> teenagers
> > this is how OUR parents' generation felt too.
> >
>
> Man, get over it. It is not 1965 any more. we don't drive
> cars all covered with chrome, we don't wear bell bottoms, we
> don't watch Gunsmoke. I realize aportion of oldies listeners
> are trying to relive the happiest years of thier lives, but
> radio is not a psychology machine.
>
<P ID="signature">______________
"You can't say 'moron' on the radio, you can only say 'moron' on television"...FCC official on an episode of "The Fairly Oddparents" which my son watches</P>
For everybody who loved the old top 40 formatics, there was somebody else who thought they were childish, and ran to Progressive Rock FM as soon as it was available. Does anyone think that anyone, including today's teenagers, would listen to a screaming Coyote Calhoun, or call in for their "boogie check"? The article points to consolodation as the culprit, and, though there is a lot of truth to it, there are other factors at work. And yes, in the "good old days", there were stations that stunk up the place, managers and programmers who didn't have a clue, low pay,and just about every other complaint we hear today.
> > I don't agree with every point, but a couple points stand
> > out:
> >
> > Radio is run by a couple of generations of programmers who
>
> > don't know how to do great radio, think outside a box, or
> > encourage talent. And, who GREW UP listening to segues,
> > stale back sells, and liners. Or radio based on album
> radio
> > formatics, with minimal "stationality". Even the guys who
> > are in charge of Oldies radio, in many cases, are AOR
> guys.
> >
> >
> > The roots of this go back to the 70s when AOR began to be
> a
> > factor and was pretty much set in stone as music formats
> > moved to FM. It was all about the music, and keeping any
> > "clutter" to a minimum. To a degree this was a good
> > thing..."Good Guys radio" was annoying in
> > retrospect...between sound effects, drop-ins and jocks who
>
> > couldn't do character voices worth a damn but did anyway.
>
> > Of course, we ended up throwing out the baby with the
> > bathwater.
> >
> > But the comment that says it all:
> > Suddenly, he turned serious and remarked "our time is
> over,
> > the style of radio we did and loved is gone".
> >
> >
> > It hurts, but it's true. The "kids" who grew up on
> > 60s-style Top 40 radio are over 50 now. Old and in the
> way.
> > I guess we can take comfort in that when we were
> teenagers
> > this is how OUR parents' generation felt too.
> >
>
> Man, get over it. It is not 1965 any more. we don't drive
> cars all covered with chrome, we don't wear bell bottoms, we
> don't watch Gunsmoke. I realize aportion of oldies listeners
> are trying to relive the happiest years of thier lives, but
> radio is not a psychology machine.
>
<P ID="signature">______________
"You can't say 'moron' on the radio, you can only say 'moron' on television"...FCC official on an episode of "The Fairly Oddparents" which my son watches</P>
Re: decline of Oldies
I drive a 1965 Pontiac Grand Prix every day. I never liked Gunsmoke, but I watch The Three Stooges and laugh every time I play them.
I also like Stereo Solid Gold which was WCBS-FM 101. Not oldies, not 101.1. Not Happy Together or YMCA four times a day. Just "Where all the good song have gone." Not the top 500 of them.
It is their radio station. I hope someone else will bring Solid Gold back to the city and do it right, the way CBS-FM did it before 1980.
And I am not a fan of Joe McCoy either.
>
> Man, get over it. It is not 1965 any more. we don't drive
> cars all covered with chrome, we don't wear bell bottoms, we
> don't watch Gunsmoke. I realize aportion of oldies listeners
> are trying to relive the happiest years of thier lives, but
> radio is not a psychology machine.
>
<P ID="signature">______________
[email protected]</P>
I drive a 1965 Pontiac Grand Prix every day. I never liked Gunsmoke, but I watch The Three Stooges and laugh every time I play them.
I also like Stereo Solid Gold which was WCBS-FM 101. Not oldies, not 101.1. Not Happy Together or YMCA four times a day. Just "Where all the good song have gone." Not the top 500 of them.
It is their radio station. I hope someone else will bring Solid Gold back to the city and do it right, the way CBS-FM did it before 1980.
And I am not a fan of Joe McCoy either.
>
> Man, get over it. It is not 1965 any more. we don't drive
> cars all covered with chrome, we don't wear bell bottoms, we
> don't watch Gunsmoke. I realize aportion of oldies listeners
> are trying to relive the happiest years of thier lives, but
> radio is not a psychology machine.
>
<P ID="signature">______________
[email protected]</P>
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Re: decline of Oldies
> Man, get over it. It is not 1965 any more. we don't drive
> cars all covered with chrome, we don't wear bell bottoms, we
> don't watch Gunsmoke. I realize aportion of oldies listeners
> are trying to relive the happiest years of thier lives, but
> radio is not a psychology machine.
I drive a 1984 Cadillac Sedan deVille with enough chrome to be seen from outer space.
I watch MASH, The Honeymooners and All In The Family on a regular basis.
And I play my Harptones 33 whenever I need some REAL sweet soul music.....<P ID="signature">______________
AOL IM: wnjoldies or jamminoldies105
CBS-FM lives at http://67.83.115.5:8010
Oldies Board co-moderator</P>
> Man, get over it. It is not 1965 any more. we don't drive
> cars all covered with chrome, we don't wear bell bottoms, we
> don't watch Gunsmoke. I realize aportion of oldies listeners
> are trying to relive the happiest years of thier lives, but
> radio is not a psychology machine.
I drive a 1984 Cadillac Sedan deVille with enough chrome to be seen from outer space.
I watch MASH, The Honeymooners and All In The Family on a regular basis.
And I play my Harptones 33 whenever I need some REAL sweet soul music.....<P ID="signature">______________
AOL IM: wnjoldies or jamminoldies105
CBS-FM lives at http://67.83.115.5:8010
Oldies Board co-moderator</P>
M
Miles
Guest
Re: decline of Oldies
Yes, there were stations that "were too hip for the room," back then. And yes, there were a great many DJ's who could get annoying. But there were also many legendary stations that staffed with Geniune TALENT and entertainers who were just as good to listen to as the music they played 'round the clock. Even if you didn't like one particular song, you knew you'd like the next one, or the jock would say something worth listening to. Nowadays the Casey Casem's, Cousin' Brucies etc are all being "eased out" to make room for a generation of young listeners/talent that has no manners, blames everything on everybody else, has no work ethic and wants it all right now. If they can't download their latest "dribbling wee-wees" CD onto their stupid ipods in 2 seconds, it's a "catastrophy." AWWW POOR BABIES!!!!!
We used to laugh at hearing "Kroger Radio" in their stores. NOW, it sounds better than half of the radio stations out there. What passes for "personality"
on both TV and radio is some loser trying to cram the word "ass" into every sentence. (Yeah, that takes a lot of real "TALENT") And FORGET about reliable news or weather coverage. If a tornado is bearing down on your city, you'll hear some voice-tracked "tool" with a nasaly wimpy voice telling you "heeeyyyy.....it's a great day for the beach." Most of the dweebs on the air couldn't get through a newscast........even the older jocks could do THAT when called for in an emergency.
Yes, we've made great progress. You can't convince me that one of these major companies didn't BRIBE...I'll say it again....BRIBE the right people in Washington into allowing one owner to control 5-6-7 radio stations in ONE market. Oh, they'll deny it to their dying day, but how is THIS "better serving
us?!" With a medium that has been systematically killed? No wonder people are going to internet.........what's left these days? Lifeless IPOD POO POO on a once-great 100KW station!!! Between the no-talent/no dues-paying hacks who can't perform live (ASHLEE SIMPSON) who pass for "great talent" and the idiots who love them in positions of radio management...........no wonder radio is in trouble.
MY, what progress we've made!!!! As much as we love to talk about equal rights for females.....our media now bombards us with the message that to become "great," all you've gotta do is show your (BLEEP) on TV or "leak out" a video of you having sex!! As much as we love to talk a great game about "serving the public," we have stations on
autopilot with a crappy-computer voice telling us about tornadoes...IF IT EVEN COMES ON AT ALL!!!! Instead of people who cared about our radio markets and busted their butts to sound great EVERY DAY, we have little brats running IPODS
who think that everybody over 45 automatically starts shopping around for
an "old folks home." This is NOT the same "generation gap" we faced years ago.
Respect is DEAD when it comes to our schools and discipline in the home...............so we may as well finish killing off media as we knew it too!!!! If you don't believe me, take a good look around.....It's in the news everyday.....once they get past the latest "Paris Hilton" story.
Yes, there were stations that "were too hip for the room," back then. And yes, there were a great many DJ's who could get annoying. But there were also many legendary stations that staffed with Geniune TALENT and entertainers who were just as good to listen to as the music they played 'round the clock. Even if you didn't like one particular song, you knew you'd like the next one, or the jock would say something worth listening to. Nowadays the Casey Casem's, Cousin' Brucies etc are all being "eased out" to make room for a generation of young listeners/talent that has no manners, blames everything on everybody else, has no work ethic and wants it all right now. If they can't download their latest "dribbling wee-wees" CD onto their stupid ipods in 2 seconds, it's a "catastrophy." AWWW POOR BABIES!!!!!
We used to laugh at hearing "Kroger Radio" in their stores. NOW, it sounds better than half of the radio stations out there. What passes for "personality"
on both TV and radio is some loser trying to cram the word "ass" into every sentence. (Yeah, that takes a lot of real "TALENT") And FORGET about reliable news or weather coverage. If a tornado is bearing down on your city, you'll hear some voice-tracked "tool" with a nasaly wimpy voice telling you "heeeyyyy.....it's a great day for the beach." Most of the dweebs on the air couldn't get through a newscast........even the older jocks could do THAT when called for in an emergency.
Yes, we've made great progress. You can't convince me that one of these major companies didn't BRIBE...I'll say it again....BRIBE the right people in Washington into allowing one owner to control 5-6-7 radio stations in ONE market. Oh, they'll deny it to their dying day, but how is THIS "better serving
us?!" With a medium that has been systematically killed? No wonder people are going to internet.........what's left these days? Lifeless IPOD POO POO on a once-great 100KW station!!! Between the no-talent/no dues-paying hacks who can't perform live (ASHLEE SIMPSON) who pass for "great talent" and the idiots who love them in positions of radio management...........no wonder radio is in trouble.
MY, what progress we've made!!!! As much as we love to talk about equal rights for females.....our media now bombards us with the message that to become "great," all you've gotta do is show your (BLEEP) on TV or "leak out" a video of you having sex!! As much as we love to talk a great game about "serving the public," we have stations on
autopilot with a crappy-computer voice telling us about tornadoes...IF IT EVEN COMES ON AT ALL!!!! Instead of people who cared about our radio markets and busted their butts to sound great EVERY DAY, we have little brats running IPODS
who think that everybody over 45 automatically starts shopping around for
an "old folks home." This is NOT the same "generation gap" we faced years ago.
Respect is DEAD when it comes to our schools and discipline in the home...............so we may as well finish killing off media as we knew it too!!!! If you don't believe me, take a good look around.....It's in the news everyday.....once they get past the latest "Paris Hilton" story.
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