More reasons why radio sucks

[DougD]

As if anyone had any doubt (like the end product isn't enough to prove that radio is in the dumper, here's more proof...

http://www.radio-info.com/smf/index.php/topic,52971.0.html

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He had one terrific promotional idea after another that were repeatedly shot down by management because they would've cost the station a couple of bucks. Ankarlo had some kick ass momentum going but then Cumulus came in, swept the place clean of any personality, made sure they lost all the people who actually cared about the lifespan of the station, brought in their clueless, ego-driven 20-somethings, paid them 20-something, gave them a schlock-title and said, "Have at it".

The above discussion was about a once heritage talk radio station in dallas, KLIF...

 

[OldGringo]

The above discussion was about a once heritage talk radio station in dallas, KLIF...

Calling KLIF a heritage talk station is a bit of an exaggeration.

 

[DougD]

They ONCE were a great station- during the late 80s when they had hosts such as DAVID GOLD and KEVIN MCCARTHY- the latter host in particularl- who defined being a local host in that market.

They were THE Dallas NT. KRLD was all--news at the time.

It's always a disappointment every time I return to Dallas and hear the station choked up with mostly syndicated crap.

(To relate to Oldies, polluting your station with mostly satellite programming is like oldies PDs choking their programming with only the biggest tired songs, never adding other "oh wow" songs such as RAG DOLL or other great oldies).
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Now look what the managers of that "property" may well do further damage to it, David.
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To amplify my thoughts, this poster seems to agree that the earlier lineup at KLIF talk was one of the best...
http://www.radio-info.com/smf/index.php/topic,52129.10.html

As for the BIG570, its main problem is the fact that the best lineup in Dallas Talk Radio History was imploded--- the first to go was David Gold, then Kevin McCarthy, then Norm, then--- well you get the idea...

nothing that station can do right now, will bring back its luster... the smartest thing to do is bring KTCK down to 570 and move KLIF to 1310, then bring in some local talent (key word TALENT) and let them bring back a bit of the glitz that the COMMUNITY needs to hear from... not so much on a NATIONAL level, but more of what Mark Davis does, on a local level.. both Dallas/Ft.Worth ends of things... THERE might be a niche there for someone like a Bob Ray Sanders to return along with maybe Kevin, I doubt that David would return.. but there are a few others out there that can hold their own as talk show host...

Just a thought!

 

[DougD]

Here's another good reason why radio sucks...

Glad I don't live in radio..
(Re: coming firings at KLIF-DALLAS, a once-great news-talker)...


http://www.radio-info.com/smf/index.php/topic,52129.20.html

Jim Fisher from Cumulus has been brought in to oversee KLIF as APD.

Christmas is just around the corner and Cumulus LOVES to give itself early Christmas presents - in the form of lay-offs. The folks at the former Susquehanna stations better watch out - Christmas time lay-offs are Cumulus' m.o.

You read about this sh-- happening all over the place. What a bunch of heartless SOBs running radio.

And I recall DAVID EDUARDO's compassionate response to another post on the NYC board when people expressed dismay at WCBS-FM - A LEGENDARY FM FOR GOD'S SAKE- kicking COUSIN BRUCIE out the door with like a half-hour's notice.

"His services were no longer needed. What don't you get about that."

That's what EDUARDO pontificated to a poster about the massive firings.

I'm sure DAVID EDUARDO -- RIGHT BEFORE CHRISTMAS MIND YOU -- would love to have his but kicked out the door.

Go ahead Mr. Enlightened one. Tell us how that kind of craps makes for GREAT RADIO.

 

[OldGringo]

And I recall DAVID EDUARDO's compassionate response to another post on the NYC board when people expressed dismay at WCBS-FM - A LEGENDARY FM FOR GOD'S SAKE- kicking COUSIN BRUCIE out the door with like a half-hour's notice.

I'm assuming you are not in radio, or you would know that most format changes are not preannounced, and in 99% of cases, the former staff is not let back on the air after the change is announced. THis is not just to avoid a swan song, but to protect the license from a disgruntled person saying something that would put it in jeopardy.

Remember, successful formats do not get changed, so sympathy for the staff of a changed format has to be taken with a degree of moderation.

That's what EDUARDO pontificated to a poster about the massive firings. I'm sure DAVID EDUARDO -- RIGHT BEFORE CHRISTMAS MIND YOU -- would love to have his but kicked out the door.

The format on WCBS FM had run its course. It was declining for more than 7 years in billings, and the sales demos were off about 25% in that period, making the future very predictable: further declines and no chance at changing the prognosis.

Go ahead Mr. Enlightened one. Tell us how that kind of craps makes for GREAT RADIO.

Radio is part o fthe entertainment industry. You don't see the cast of Cheers sitting around the old set, right? Oh, and the time whn most TV shows that don't make it are cut is... right before Christmas. It's the nature of the industry, and always has been.

 

[radiofriend1]

guess it is easier to be whiny and complain than it is to actually MAKE A DIFFERENCE

but then again that element has always been in radio. they types who never had what it takes then cry and blame everybody else

 

[SuperRadioFan]

Radio is part of the entertainment industry. You don't see the cast of Cheers sitting around the old set, right?

While that's a valid point, David, I find it very funny you use "Cheers" as an example but you didn't know who Cliff Claven was ;D
[I compared Mr Gleason with Mr Claven a while back on another Radio-Info board]

 

[DougD]

The fourth post in this posting is illustrative.

Shows what corporate radio has done to its "minor leagues."

Oh, I forget. Can't wait to develop talent and make money. Have to grab all the cash now and drive off employees and listeners with them. My, how stupid we can be.

http://www.radio-info.com/smf/index.php/topic,54546.0.html

 

[XM RADIO]

I am so glad Ive got XM, never again will I have to go thru a format change , hear some traffic report , or 9 commercials in a row!! The Bay area was left with no Oldies station when CBS took KFRC and went to THE WORLD FAMOUS Movin format!! CBS can never compete with XM and the 60 s channel!! Phlash Phelps is our man!! "CQ" USA, what a program!! Wolfman Jack, life is good!! Excuse me ....GREAT!!!!! No wonder radio sucks as it is!! The music the DJs and variety make up a large part of a succesful station!! For 12.95 a month XM is a mere 44 cents a day!! Its a guarateed no format change!! With all Bay Area stations sounding alike, Its nice to know XM is here for you to enjoy 24 hrs a day commercial free!! KFRC 99.7 would never play "The Duke of Earl" or "Return to Sender" ,now they play Black eyed Peas, and groups I would never listen to!! Nothing sounds better on a beautiful sunny day than XM, and the 60 s channel home or car, Real radio is back!! Kenny in Concord

 

[AZJoe]

I am so glad Ive got XM, never again will I have to go thru a format change , hear some traffic report , or 9 commercials in a row!! The Bay area was left with no Oldies station when CBS took KFRC and went to THE WORLD FAMOUS Movin format!! CBS can never compete with XM and the 60 s channel!! Phlash Phelps is our man!! "CQ" USA, what a program!! Wolfman Jack, life is good!! Excuse me ....GREAT!!!!! No wonder radio sucks as it is!! The music the DJs and variety make up a large part of a succesful station!! For 12.95 a month XM is a mere 44 cents a day!! Its a guarateed no format change!! With all Bay Area stations sounding alike, Its nice to know XM is here for you to enjoy 24 hrs a day commercial free!! KFRC 99.7 would never play "The Duke of Earl" or "Return to Sender" ,now they play Black eyed Peas, and groups I would never listen to!! Nothing sounds better on a beautiful sunny day than XM, and the 60 s channel home or car, Real radio is back!! Kenny in Concord

I have known this for over 5 years that I've had XM and 4.5 with Sirius. If you enjoy oldies, sat radio is the way to go- period. No comparison........

 

[radiofriend1]

I am so glad Ive got XM, never again will I have to go thru a format change , hear some traffic report , or 9 commercials in a row!! The Bay area was left with no Oldies station when CBS took KFRC and went to THE WORLD FAMOUS Movin format!! CBS can never compete with XM and the 60 s channel!! Phlash Phelps is our man!! "CQ" USA, what a program!! Wolfman Jack, life is good!! Excuse me ....GREAT!!!!! No wonder radio sucks as it is!! The music the DJs and variety make up a large part of a succesful station!! For 12.95 a month XM is a mere 44 cents a day!! Its a guarateed no format change!! With all Bay Area stations sounding alike, Its nice to know XM is here for you to enjoy 24 hrs a day commercial free!! KFRC 99.7 would never play "The Duke of Earl" or "Return to Sender" ,now they play Black eyed Peas, and groups I would never listen to!! Nothing sounds better on a beautiful sunny day than XM, and the 60 s channel home or car, Real radio is back!! Kenny in Concord

I have known this for over 5 years that I've had XM and 4.5 with Sirius. If you enjoy oldies, sat radio is the way to go- period. No comparison........

great. this is america and you have the freedom to choose. just becuz you're pissed kfrc changed format doesn't mean all of **RADIO SUCKS*

u prefer xm, congratulations and knock yerself out. living in a free country allows us to choose and U whining that *radio sucks* isn't gonna get the duke of earl back on kfrc

 

[AZJoe]

What sucks to one person may not suck to another, yet the fact remains, terrestrial radio listener numbers are down along with the satisfaction rate that goes with it. Most people in the know would agree that terrestrial radio quality has been in a decline for some time. Over the years this decline has resulted in more options to terrestrial radio, thru internet radio, ipod and satellite radio...those are facts. While terrestrial radio isnt going away and will always have its use and audience, it has seen far better days. Thus, people come on here to post what is wrong and where they get an alternative choice to it. The Duke of Earl isn't played anymore on many stations, and may never be again- and that is part of the problem.

 

[DougD]

The Duke of Earl isn't played anymore on many stations, and may never be again- and that is part of the problem.

What a great song.

"The Duke of Earl and the Doo Run Run, they were friends of mine..."

 

[radiofriend1]

. The Duke of Earl isn't played anymore on many stations, and may never be again- and that is part of the problem.

yes i'm sure the future of terrestrial radio rests on whether they play duke of earl or jailhouse rock

<gag>

 

[RadioStarOne]

Duke of Earl , Do What?

If you like the Duke Of Earl and the do ron ron ron what, so much why don't you just fire up your CD or Mp-3 and burn the song on it for as many times as you like till the space on the disc run out! You could even record your favorite KFRC/KYA Jingles in between each cut and be in hog heaven!~ No Brainer!

 

[OldiesCat]

Duke of Earl

The '50s/'60s era of Oldies stations was nice while it lasted but it had to be the only radio format that did almost no evolution for around 15 years and that's why the format is in such a jackpot today.

Yes, a lot of people like "Duke Of Earl" and if you're an Oldies programmer that doesn't mind an audience with an average age over 60, fine, play all the old stuff.

It's just that you'll go broke doing it because there is virtually no advertiser support for an audience that age in a niche format, save for the occasional WLNG or similarly rare station in a smaller market that does a ton of direct selling. However, please remember your audience is aging out of your advertisers' targets more and more every day.

So, yes, it's fine we have XM and Sirius around, just as cable TV had Nick and TV Land- but even those cable channels have stopped their programming of Leave It To Beaver, Happy Days, Laverne & Shirley and Mr. Ed, because they simply realized there was no long term future in the older shows.

 

[radiofriend1]

Re: Duke of Earl , Do What?

If you like the Duke Of Earl and the do ron ron ron what, so much why don't you just fire up your CD or Mp-3 and burn the song on it for as many times as you like till the space on the disc run out! You could even record your favorite KFRC/KYA Jingles in between each cut and be in hog heaven!~ No Brainer!

no kidding!!!!! i don't get all this protestation that these songs aren't on their fm station anymore. if u like the old oldies so much burn a cd or put it on an ipod. has anybody noticed that the tragic demise of dozens and dozens of oldies stations rarely results in another station seeing such a *golden opportunity" and scooping the format up to take advantage? where has this happened if anywhere? almost NOWHERE. so it must be most of these oldies stations leaving didn't really break that many hearts

 

[DougD]

Re: Duke of Earl , Do What?

If you like the Duke Of Earl and the do ron ron ron what,

You likely don't even know what song The Do Run Run is, how much you know or care about the format.

What a great song.
"The Duke of Earl and the Doo Run Run, they were friends of mine..."

I'll go even further... you likely don't even know where the quote came from. It's from a No. 1 song, dummy.

has anybody noticed that the tragic demise of dozens and dozens of oldies stations rarely results in another station seeing such a *golden opportunity" and scooping the format up to take advantage? where has this happened if anywhere? almost NOWHERE. so it must be most of these oldies stations leaving didn't really break that many hearts

Speak for yourself. You can't in any way shape or form speak for millions of listeners.
The main reason other stations haven't picked up the format is because current radio management has tunnel vision... it's hopelessly locked into the "box" that says it can ONLY appeal to a certain audience. Yeah, BROADcasting.

Perhaps competition will force its backassward thinking leaders to think outside of the box.

Glad satellite operators don't think like this.

In fact, according to an article I read online that had an interview with the founder of XM or Sirius, he said he puts on probation any PD or employee who starts to act like he's PD'ing some crappy commercial station.

"Well, we've always done it this way.." "We can't take requests..."
"Listeners won't want to hear songs they're not familiar with.."

Satellite doesn't want to wreck the format and medium like their terrestrial competitors have. He kicks them out of the door if they try to pull crap like that.


What a bunch of clowns running radio.

 

[AZJoe]

"The Doo Ron Ron and the Duke of Earl were friends of mine" comes from "Clap for the Wolfman" by The Guess Who in 1974 a #6 hit. Always loved that line. I also wonder why critics of oldies think because of the passage of time, that the songs no longer are enjoyable or will have an audience? No one is around from the days of Mozart and Beethoven, yet their music lives on. Is there some magical number or age to a song that it become suddenly unlikeable?

 

[FRR]

Re: Duke of Earl

The '50s/'60s era of Oldies stations was nice while it lasted but it had to be the only radio format that did almost no evolution for around 15 years and that's why the format is in such a jackpot today.

Yes, a lot of people like "Duke Of Earl" and if you're an Oldies programmer that doesn't mind an audience with an average age over 60, fine, play all the old stuff.

It's just that you'll go broke doing it because there is virtually no advertiser support for an audience that age in a niche format, save for the occasional WLNG or similarly rare station in a smaller market that does a ton of direct selling. However, please remember your audience is aging out of your advertisers' targets more and more every day.

So, yes, it's fine we have XM and Sirius around, just as cable TV had Nick and TV Land- but even those cable channels have stopped their programming of Leave It To Beaver, Happy Days, Laverne & Shirley and Mr. Ed, because they simply realized there was no long term future in the older shows.

You must think all us "over 55" crowd just sit in front of the TV and have no money to spend. I have news for you Oldies Kitten, we, as a group, have more money than most of you younger guys, and have more time and hobbies to spend it on. Programmers who think of us the way you do are missing a big market out there. This is NOT your grandfather's senior citizens. Wake up radio, we are a spending force. Only arrogance will keep some sharp station guys from making money on us.