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Most affiliates of one network on one cable system

mvcg66b3r said:
Algona Municipal Utilities in Algona IA (Des Moines DMA) carries three CBS affiliates in SD and HD:
KIMT Mason City (SD 3/HD 303)
KCCI Des Moines (SD 8/HD 308)
KEYC Mankato (SD 12/HD 312)
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Do they still do this? Even though Algona(correct spelling) and Kossuth County are in the Des Moines DMA they are mych closer to both Mankato MN and Mason City IA.
 
paulsonj72 said:
Do they still do this? Even though Algona(correct spelling) and Kossuth County are in the Des Moines DMA they are mych closer to both Mankato MN and Mason City IA.
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That county kinda looks like an island county. To the west is Sioux City DMA and to the East is Rochester/Mason City

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mvcg66b3r said:
They seem to have dropped KIMT but still have KCCI and KEYC (and FOX Mankato!), even though Algona is closer to Mason City than to Mankato.
http://www.netamu.com/_managedFiles/files/files/1488213200.pdf
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While it may be closer to the middle of each town.....it isnt according to the tower location
KEYC tower is in Lewisville which is 60 miles from Algona (using the address of the municipal utilities address) whereas KIMT is 82 miles away between Stacyville and McIntire Iowa. Also VHF stations are able to pick up OTA at further distances so KEYC being on VHF12 is easier to get than KIMT on RF42. I assume they are getting KEYC via OTA as the FOX is just in SD (its widescreen SD OTA but in HD via fibre)

At one time Algona and Kossuth County were in the Mankato DMA....even though it is a 1 station market
 
unclehonkey said:
While it may be closer to the middle of each town.....it isnt according to the tower location
KEYC tower is in Lewisville which is 60 miles from Algona (using the address of the municipal utilities address) whereas KIMT is 82 miles away between Stacyville and McIntire Iowa. Also VHF stations are able to pick up OTA at further distances so KEYC being on VHF12 is easier to get than KIMT on RF42. I assume they are getting KEYC via OTA as the FOX is just in SD (its widescreen SD OTA but in HD via fibre)

At one time Algona and Kossuth County were in the Mankato DMA....even though it is a 1 station market
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Do we count digital sub channels as stations in the market. I ask because if we do Mankato has two stations as there is a Fox affilliate on a digital subchannel.
 
For about 10 months in 1989-90 my hometown got 3 CBS stations on our cable system. KEYC from Mankato as well as WCCO and KIMT out of Mason City IA. Due to the cable system going further north and then channel limits KIMT was dropped in July of 1990 despite being our DMA's CBS station. It was a fairly low watched station compared to the other CBS stations and that also made it easier to drop as the focus was more on Iowa and our cable company didn't have any Iowa franchises.
 
paulsonj72 said:
Do we count digital sub channels as stations in the market. I ask because if we do Mankato has two stations as there is a Fox affilliate on a digital subchannel.
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Most folks count the RF station as 1 regardless of how many subchannels they have.
 
paulsonj72 said:
For about 10 months in 1989-90 my hometown got 3 CBS stations on our cable system. KEYC from Mankato as well as WCCO and KIMT out of Mason City IA. Due to the cable system going further north and then channel limits KIMT was dropped in July of 1990 despite being our DMA's CBS station. It was a fairly low watched station compared to the other CBS stations and that also made it easier to drop as the focus was more on Iowa and our cable company didn't have any Iowa franchises.
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United Communications (the owner of KEYC) has petitioned the FCC to force cable systems in Mankato area to drop WCCO and KAAL due to "no longer meeting Sig Viewed status" (and also due to syndex)

northpine article
United Communications' KEYC/12 (Mankato) has filed a petition for special relief with the FCC that could result in some out-of-market stations being dropped from cable systems in Mankato and several other cities. KEYC is the only station in the small four-county Mankato market. It carries CBS and FOX, but has to compete with the Minneapolis CBS and FOX affiliates on cable systems. United's filing says a Nielsen Media study found WCCO-CBS (Minneapolis), KMSP-FOX (Minneapolis), and KAAL-ABC (Austin-Rochester) no longer meet the "significantly viewed" threshold of over-the-air viewing in Mankato, North Mankato, and some other communities, and that MyNetworkTV affiliate WFTC (Minneapolis) no longer meets the threshold in North Mankato. "Significantly viewed" status is generally required for cable systems to carry out-of-market stations. If the petition is approved, cable systems in Mankato and other communities could be forced to drop the stations from their lineups. ABC and NBC feeds from Minneapolis would continue to be available

https://ecfsapi.fcc.gov/file/60001515360.pdf

By the way the only reason they are going after KAAL is because both KEYC and KAAL carry "Kelly and Ryan" and "Ellen" and KEYC-DT2 (FOX) carries Harry and Rachel Ray (as does KAAL)
 
unclehonkey said:
United Communications (the owner of KEYC) has petitioned the FCC to force cable systems in Mankato area to drop WCCO and KAAL due to "no longer meeting Sig Viewed status" (and also due to syndex)

northpine article
United Communications' KEYC/12 (Mankato) has filed a petition for special relief with the FCC that could result in some out-of-market stations being dropped from cable systems in Mankato and several other cities. KEYC is the only station in the small four-county Mankato market. It carries CBS and FOX, but has to compete with the Minneapolis CBS and FOX affiliates on cable systems. United's filing says a Nielsen Media study found WCCO-CBS (Minneapolis), KMSP-FOX (Minneapolis), and KAAL-ABC (Austin-Rochester) no longer meet the "significantly viewed" threshold of over-the-air viewing in Mankato, North Mankato, and some other communities, and that MyNetworkTV affiliate WFTC (Minneapolis) no longer meets the threshold in North Mankato. "Significantly viewed" status is generally required for cable systems to carry out-of-market stations. If the petition is approved, cable systems in Mankato and other communities could be forced to drop the stations from their lineups. ABC and NBC feeds from Minneapolis would continue to be available

https://ecfsapi.fcc.gov/file/60001515360.pdf

By the way the only reason they are going after KAAL is because both KEYC and KAAL carry "Kelly and Ryan" and "Ellen" and KEYC-DT2 (FOX) carries Harry and Rachel Ray (as does KAAL)
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A little surprised(but not yet) they would go oafter WCCO. I'm sure they want people to watch KEYC over WCCO but that would only apply to part of the actual Mankato viewing area. North Mankato(a separate city) is actually in Nicollet county which is in the Minneapolis/St Paul market as is a small part of the city of Mankato itself. To be honest I have a feeling people watch KSTP for ABC in Mankato instead of KAAL. And FWIW I'm originally from a small town in the Rochester/Austin/Mason City DMA and almost never watched(when we had cable or our booster/rotor) the local stations for news(except for High School Sports scores when I was home in time for the late local news) No internet then. :)
 
This was a long time ago Cablevision/Charter Spectrum use to have 2 PBS stations PBS out of Chi was on Channel 11 WGVU PBS was channel 10 at the time Charter Spectrum took off the Chi PBS 10 years ago in the fall. WKBD I think Cablevision got rid of it maybe in the fall of 93 not sure on that as I didn't have Cablevision at the time only way I could watch WKBD was at my grandparents house. I watched a lot of WKBD in the 80's it was Michigan's Superstation I think at one time it was in 80% of Michigan Cablevision had to Fox when WKBD was a Fox station 80's and WXMI Fox17 West Michigan. West Michigan has 2 ABC's WOTV & WZZM Cablevision/Charter Spectrum has always had both stations.

Adelphia had 2 NBC's Wood TV, WNDU out of South Bend, 2 CBS WWMT, WSBT out of South Bend now sister stations because of Sinclair owning both, 2 Fox WXMI Fox17 WSYM Fox 47 Lansing. Older neighborhoods had more than one cable company on the west side of Kzoo the reason I think in 88 or 89 switched to Adelphia from Cablevision was because of remote controls as Suckyvision didn't have remote controls at the time. When I moved in 96 only Cablevision was offered in the neighborhood Adelphia is now Comcast was glad when Suckyvision sold Michigan which is now Charter Spectrum.
 
Megatron said:
This was a long time ago Cablevision/Charter Spectrum use to have 2 PBS stations PBS out of Chi was on Channel 11 WGVU PBS was channel 10 at the time Charter Spectrum took off the Chi PBS 10 years ago in the fall.
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Did WGVU petition Charter to dump WTTW? If that is the case, that may explain why WCMU isn't seen anywhere near Grand Rapids despite its OTA signal coming quite close to GR.
 
paulsonj72 said:
A little surprised(but not yet) they would go oafter WCCO. I'm sure they want people to watch KEYC over WCCO but that would only apply to part of the actual Mankato viewing area. North Mankato(a separate city) is actually in Nicollet county which is in the Minneapolis/St Paul market as is a small part of the city of Mankato itself. To be honest I have a feeling people watch KSTP for ABC in Mankato instead of KAAL. And FWIW I'm originally from a small town in the Rochester/Austin/Mason City DMA and almost never watched(when we had cable or our booster/rotor) the local stations for news(except for High School Sports scores when I was home in time for the late local news) No internet then. :)
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I could understand previously (in the digital age) when KEYC only had network programming in HD. But now they carry everything in HD (syndicated, network and news) in HD. FOX Mankato on cable and satellite (Directv, not Dish) is in HD although the OTA signal is still 480i widescreen.

I know North Mankato is in Nicollet county because when I had Directv I "moved" my address to there to get the Mpls nets + KEYC as sig viewed because....well I wanted to see "Bandwagon" ;) and my antenna sometimes couldnt get it in Northern Scott County :)
Its interesting how satellite is set up there. With Dish in both Mankato and North Mankato you get KEYC, KEYC-DT2, the national PBS and KSTP & KARE imported. Directv gives you those 4 + WUCW (CW23) from the cities in Mankato (Blue Earth Co) whereas North Mankato gets Minneapolis + KEYC (but not KEYC-DT2)

Its funny that at our lake house (Aitkin) there are days I'd rather watch the ANALOG translator of KQDS Duluth there then to watch KMSP FOX 9 (from the Brainerd translator which is digital)
 
unclehonkey said:
I could understand previously (in the digital age) when KEYC only had network programming in HD. But now they carry everything in HD (syndicated, network and news) in HD. FOX Mankato on cable and satellite (Directv, not Dish) is in HD although the OTA signal is still 480i widescreen.

I know North Mankato is in Nicollet county because when I had Directv I "moved" my address to there to get the Mpls nets + KEYC as sig viewed because....well I wanted to see "Bandwagon" ;) and my antenna sometimes couldnt get it in Northern Scott County :)
Its interesting how satellite is set up there. With Dish in both Mankato and North Mankato you get KEYC, KEYC-DT2, the national PBS and KSTP & KARE imported. Directv gives you those 4 + WUCW (CW23) from the cities in Mankato (Blue Earth Co) whereas North Mankato gets Minneapolis + KEYC (but not KEYC-DT2)

Its funny that at our lake house (Aitkin) there are days I'd rather watch the ANALOG translator of KQDS Duluth there then to watch KMSP FOX 9 (from the Brainerd translator which is digital)
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Years ago(over 10) I used my parents address for DirecTV. I was living in Milbank SD and that is in the Sioux Falls DMA. For the purposes of my service though my address was just over the Minnesota border in Ortonville MN. The reason for that. Ortonville was(and still is) in the Minneapolis DMA and I wanted Twin Cities locals instead of Sioux Falls locals.
 
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