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Most distant network affiliate available on cable
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Jim said:
I already posted the link for 9/1/09 but I did find a card from 5/1/08 that DID have those stations...If I remember right around the DTV conversion is when it changed
5/1/08 Basic
2 COMMUNITY CHANNEL
4 KDVR - FOX - DENVER
5 ON-SCREEN GUIDE
6 KMGH - ABC - DENVER
8 KXGN - CBS - GLENDIVE
10 KUSM - PBS - BOZEMAN
12 C-SPAN
13 KUMV - NBC - WILLISTON
14 QUALITY VALUE CONVENIENCE (QVC)
15 HEADLINE NEWS
16 DISNEY CHANNEL
17 WGN - SUPERSTATION - CHICAGO
18 CABLE NEWS NETWORK (CNN)
19 TBS - SUPERSTATION - ATLANTA
20 DISCOVERY CHANNEL
21 THE WEATHER CHANNEL
22 CW NETWORK
How about the NYC Network O&O's and LA O&O's airing on Directv for area that do not have NBC, CBS, ABC and Fox. I know for Dish Network the San Francisco affiliates are aired nationwide for areas that don't have a network affiliate. I know KQED, KQEH from San Francisco and KOCE in LA the PBS stations are aired in Santa Barbara and San Luis Obispo.
nomadcowatbk said:
I can remember watching KPLR programming on cable when I lived in Columbia, though I suppose it could've been sports programming produced by KPLR that was carried by another station.
Correct. News and "Show Me St. Louis" were about all KSDK had over cable in Columbia.
I've always heard neither ABC nor the people of St. Joseph are happy with KQ-2. I don't think the cable system in St. Joseph has particularly good relations with KQ-2 either, and keeping KMBC gives the cable company a little bit of leverage should Nexstar try to demand excessive compensation for carriage. I'm thinking part of the reason for dropping 'DAF off of cable in St. Joseph is because the News Press owns the new Fox affiliate there and had previously owned St. Joe Cablevision.
charlestondxman said:
Interesting. When did KOLR go away? I remember watching it on cable in Springdale as recently as last fall. I think it was a later arrival. When I lived in Fayetteville in the mid-90's, I don't remember KOLR being on cable, but I could get it over-the-air. I also had little trouble getting KODE and KOAM. Getting KYTV was a little more trouble but not impossible.
I never could get KTUL or KOTV, though my neighbor down the hall could get the two Tulsa stations but not the ones from Springfield or Joplin. I actually found myself watching KOLR when I first moved into my apartment not realizing it was local until the news came on. It took several days for me to find KFSM's low-power translators for NWA.
By the way, I also found it odd that the cable system carried both KTUL and KOLR after the digital transition since both found themselves on VHF-10. I'm guessing they either had one antenna pointed at Tulsa and another at Springfield or had at least one of the signals microwaved in.
tested said:
WFAA is no longer on cable in San Angelo. Suddenlink took it off the lineup a couple of years ago and moved The Weather Channel to it's place on basic cable. KTXS in Abilene has a low-powered transmitter (KTXE-LP) in San Angelo so the cable company carries them as the default ABC station now.
KERA is still available on cable since the San Angelo market doesn't have a PBS channel. Suddenlink tried to pull KERA off cable in San Angelo and Abilene two years ago and replace it with KTTZ (formally KTXT) out of Lubbock. So many people complained that they changed their mind two weeks later.
WTVF was available in Union City (about 175 miles away) back when I lived there in the early '90s, but WSMV never was. Probably explains my enduring loyalty to WTVF all these years later, even after having lived here in Nashville for the past 20 years! 8)anotherguy said:
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I've always heard neither ABC nor the people of St. Joseph are happy with KQ-2. I don't think the cable system in St. Joseph has particularly good relations with KQ-2 either, and keeping KMBC gives the cable company a little bit of leverage should Nexstar try to demand excessive compensation for carriage. I'm thinking part of the reason for dropping 'DAF off of cable in St. Joseph is because the News Press owns the new Fox affiliate there and had previously owned St. Joe Cablevision.
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KNPN also replaced WDAF on DirecTV and Dish Network in that DMA, KMBC also isn't available either but KCTV and KSHB are, for some reason KSMO and KMCI aren't available to dish customers either even they're available in the KC DMA
I've always heard neither ABC nor the people of St. Joseph are happy with KQ-2. I don't think the cable system in St. Joseph has particularly good relations with KQ-2 either, and keeping KMBC gives the cable company a little bit of leverage should Nexstar try to demand excessive compensation for carriage. I'm thinking part of the reason for dropping 'DAF off of cable in St. Joseph is because the News Press owns the new Fox affiliate there and had previously owned St. Joe Cablevision.
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KNPN also replaced WDAF on DirecTV and Dish Network in that DMA, KMBC also isn't available either but KCTV and KSHB are, for some reason KSMO and KMCI aren't available to dish customers either even they're available in the KC DMA
The cable system in Rolla MO carries the CBS, FOX, and NBC stations from both Springfield and St. Louis in SD, but they only carry the CBS, FOX, and NBC stations from Stl in HD, they also only carry the ABC station from Springfield in both SD and HD, they do carry KPLR (CW) in HD and SD. KOMU (Columbia) has an LP translator around Rolla but that's not available on cable. Dish customers in Rolla are assigned the St. Louis stations.
on satellite they are only allowed to give you one affiliate for each network. In VERY EXTREME CASES Directv can give you a neighboring station as Sig Viewed. Dish cannot. They got their hand slapped hard by the FCC back in 06 for giving distants to folks who didnt qualify. 2 years ago the FCC allowed them to import stations in short markets but ONLY if it was missing that network (of the Big 4). So in the case of St Joe they got CBS, NBC and Fox from KC. When KNPN (Fox) was starting up Dish actually had it uplinked 2 weeks before it went live. When it went live Dish had to drop KC FOX....even if they didnt carry it at launch they would have had to drop KC FOX. Directv I think can still carry it until they get an agreement with KNPN going.
Dish is only allowed to import missing Big 4 affiliates. Directv does import some but usually its CW. They can't import Independent stations and they usually dont bother with My affiliates and it has to do with syndex.
unclehonkey said:
Some gaps with syndicated shows often appear, St. Joesph has lost Access Hollywood, no St Joseph stations carries the Big 12 Basketball package or the SEC syndicated football package
It's probably a good thing for newscasters that non-competes don't apply over a television station's entire (cable-increased) coverage area. For instance, Charlie Neese, current weekend meteorologist on WTVF, newschannel 5, was previously also on KFVS-TV12 in Cape Girardeau, MO, and before that, WBBJ-TV channel 7 in Jackson, TN. All three can (or at least could) be seen on cable from northwest Tennessee.
Amy Watson, current morning co-anchor on newschannel 5, was previously on WPSD-TV channel 6 in Paducah, KY. Both of those can or could be seen in northwest Tennessee, as well. And it is my understanding that when she transferred from channel 6 to channel 5, she did not move! She apparently lives in or near Hopkinsville, KY, so she still has a long commute every day, only it is in the opposite direction now!
Amy Watson, current morning co-anchor on newschannel 5, was previously on WPSD-TV channel 6 in Paducah, KY. Both of those can or could be seen in northwest Tennessee, as well. And it is my understanding that when she transferred from channel 6 to channel 5, she did not move! She apparently lives in or near Hopkinsville, KY, so she still has a long commute every day, only it is in the opposite direction now!
Kent said:
ABC as in Disney is fine with KQTV. Otherwise, it would end the network affiliation or expect some huge reverse compensation that KQTV couldn't afford (e.g. NBC and KRON). For Disney, it gives the ABC network additional exposure. In the old analog days, an additional VHF signal running ABC meant something.
Hearst, owner of KMBC, is ABC's top affiliate group, co-owner of ESPN and Lifetime, etc. Disney isn't going to screw Hearst/KMBC by making its agreement with KQTV beneficial to KQTV that it has exclusivity for its market.
The KC DMA has 939,740 TV HH while the St.Joseph DMA has 46,690 TV HH. So, St. Joseph has 5% of the KC+St.Joseph total. That 5% is the only loss to Hearst: that it doesn't collect retransmission rev from cable/sat on those homes, but it has to be must-carry. However, since KQTV doesn't have exclusivity in its agreement, it can't force cable to drop KMBC. The cable system might be able to voluntarily remove KMBC however, but it doesn't seem to be happening.
5% there isn't that significant there in the grand scheme of things.
If Hearst secured a tighter deal with ABC which included conversion of KSBW to ABC on primary, NBC on secondary signal, and more of its stations going with ABC, ABC would yield to Hearst in cases like this where KQTV would be dropped as an affiliate. However, Hearst likely wants to balance its portfolio of stations with both NBC and ABC should either tank. NBC hasn't committed a new affiliate in the Salisbury DMA market likely as a benefit to Hearst's WBAL which enjoys being the local NBC affiliate on cable and Fios.
mgsports said:
KMCI is not available on cable or dish in St. Joseph
anotherguy said:
According to its website, Jackson Energy Authority doesn't carry WSMV anymore.
www.jaxenergy.com/broadband/cable/channels/ChannelLineUp.pdf
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