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YOU HOPE!There are no reports of broadband data or HD digital audio causing problems with cell phones. Several manufacturers and most of the major cell phone service providers are now, or will soon add this service.HD and analog radio is facing more and more competition for the public's attention and ears. Now, no one needs a radio to carry around a jukebox with several hundred of your favorite tunes. Radio will have to improve it's product- usefullness, creativity, and entertainment value, in order to retain it's market share.HD Ready said:
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"Now, no one needs a radio to carry around a jukebox with several hundred of your favorite tunes."Radio is so much more than a juke box. Radio provides news coverage (IN NYC we have 2 24 hour 50KW news stations), Live Sports and talk and on the non commercial stations every format available. Radion is also reliable and anyone who lived through 9-11 would be aware that when the towers went down so did the cell phone system in NYC. Meanwhile all the radio stations remained on the air from either main or backup facilities. I was there when it happened, so mine is not second hand information that I read elswhere. It's like those who say who needs radio we have the internet. When you lose power you lose the internet too. Not so with broadcast radio. The netowrk I work for has it's own power system and uplink. When NY expeienced a wide area power outage a few years ago all of our radio stations as well as our television (Both network and local) station remained on the air. Those who count out traditional broadcasters are only fooling themselves.
You are arguing with yourself again. Straw man style. I said:
I never said radio was totally useless, just that it has not been providing as much entertainment and information as it should, or as it has in the past.Your point about 2 news stations (out of almost 100 in the metro area?) is a good example. Virtually all stations carried news, many had their own news departments, original stories, and reporters. There were live human reporters at the stations to cover stories in an emergency like 9-11. Now, you say, 2 carry news, and have live reporters. OK.I'm not against music stations, even totally automated computer juke box stations. I just pointed out stations have more competition for listeners from iPods, MP3 players, cell phones, podcasting, etc. and are having a tougher time maintaining market share from new competition. The new cell phones store MP3 files, and will play anywhere in the world execept underwater.The reason cell phone service was impeded when 9-11 happened was not because all the cell phone antennas were all on the Twin towers, but because the whole phone system, landlines and cell, were suddenly overloaded. The landlines, fiber optic backbone, and cell sites have power backup also. Not only radio stations, as you claim.You are the only one fooling youself.
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"I never said radio was totally useless, just that it has not been providing as much entertainment and information as it should, or as it has in the past."Every technology evolves. If it doesn't it dies."Your point about 2 news stations (out of almost 100 in the metro area?) is a good example. Virtually all stations carried news, many had their own news departments, original stories, and reporters. There were live human reporters at the stations to cover stories in an emergency like 9-11. Now, you say, 2 carry news, and have live reporters. OK."Other local stations have news departments. In NYC we have 2 full time all news stations (both 50K). One serves a more urban audience and the other (wcbs) serves the suburbs and a more upscale audience. There are over 7 million people in NYC alone and over 15 million in our market. Of course every television statioon has a full news department as well and we have four daily newspapers and a few smaller publications). NY isn't hurting for news coverage and that is where I live."The new cell phones store MP3 files, and will play anywhere in the world execept underwater.The reason cell phone service was impeded when 9-11 happened was not because all the cell phone antennas were all on the Twin towers, but because the whole phone system, landlines and cell, were suddenly overloaded. The landlines, fiber optic backbone, and cell sites have power backup also. Not only radio stations, as you claim.You are the only one fooling youself."Sadly your ignorance is showing. I was in midtown at work the moment the towers where hit and I remained in Manhattan until the next afternoon and watched the entire communications infrastucture take a hit. Verizon had their digital ops in lower Manhattan near the trade center and one wall was blown out of that building. power disappeared and cables were destroyed. They had back up batteries and services remained until the battery power quit and the center flooded. I can still picture cables running on the streets of lower Manhattan as they worked to restore service. Many of the cell phone services were located on the trade center and were destroyed when the buildings collapsed. Quite a few area internet providers lost service because of the destruction that took place in lower Manhattan. It was many days before all but one NYC television station returned t the air. WCBS had a b/up site which they immediately switched to. All others where either on the air via cable, PBS UHF stations or off the air. It set back the TV HD conversion schedule years. I live here, work in the broadcast industry where we utilize telco services constantly and I can tell you first hand that it was due to the damage and not the load that cell service ceased in NYC on 9/11.
All cell towers in New York toppled and all cell, emergency and landline service was destroyed in the whole metro NYC area?Wow, I never realized that the terrorists were so thorough that only broadcasts survived as the sole communication means. The disaster was even worse then I assumed.
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"All cell towers in New York toppled and all cell, emergency and landline service was destroyed in the whole metro NYC area?What is your story? You aparently have some real issues when it comes to this new technology. It's not just coverage issues, it runs much deeper. Are you a DXer, a Khan fan or what? The Verizon infrastucture was severely damaged by the destruction in lower Manhattan. I WAS IN MIDTOWN and there was NO cell service. I was there, you weren't and are talking nonesense.In an emergency like that there was no cell service available in Midtown Manhattan because of damage to the digital infrustrucure. This is my last comment on this issue. Anything else you could add would be opinion and not fact. I have facts because I was there."Wow, I never realized that the terrorists were so thorough that only broadcasts survived as the sole communication means. The disaster was even worse then I assumed"Only one television station in NYC was able to remain on the air and that was WCBS TV. Many FM's went off and all the other TV stations lost their transmiter facilities. Don't show your ignorance please. You obviously have no idea of what yiour talking about.
Cell phone service can be shut off to private people and available only to responders in the case of an emergency. This is what happened in NYC on 9-11. Contributing to that was the total destruction of Verizon's central office, at WTC. Many FM's went belly up until they could secure new tower space either on Alpine in NJ or Empire. There is a master antenna near times square if I recall. Even tho the cell antennas near WTC were damaged, the entire NYC cell infrastructure was not harmed.
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"Cell phone service can be shut off to private people and available only to responders in the case of an emergency. This is what happened in NYC on 9-11. Contributing to that was the total destruction of Verizon's central office, at WTC. Many FM's went belly up until they could secure new tower space either on Alpine in NJ or Empire. There is a master antenna near times square if I recall. Even tho the cell antennas near WTC were damaged, the entire NYC cell infrastructure was not harmed."Let me tell you what I know. I am a master control engineer for one of the major national broadcasters and we are located in NYC. We had landline pots service and ISDN until the CO in lower Manhattan lost it's battery backup power. I don't really care if the cell service failed or was taken off line, the results are the same, aren't they? Cell phones and the internet are great under normal circumstances. In an emergency the scale of 9/11, radio is where people can reliably receive information. The Conde Nast tower didn't exist in 2001. Actually, at that time only WCBS had backup space in Empire. Everyone else had to scramble to get a signal on the air and at that time Armstrong couldn't supply the needed 400 volts for high power transmitters. Most of the NY market couldn't receive over the air signals from these backup transmitters. Most FM's had transmitter sites on the WTC, not Empire at the time. Today things are much different with all the backup sites now available, but in 2001 the market was totally different. In a real emergency people don't want to have to wait a few weeks until information reaches them, they want it immediately. What we ended up with was AM radio coverage, because they of course don't have their transmitter sites in Manhattan. This discussion really get to me. I don't know what your location is and it isn't all that important, but as a New Yorker and someone who actually lived through the event, working in the broadcast industry that day and living with the results of the destruction, it always strikes me as interesting when I read comments from those who live elsewhere or weren't there when they use terms like, When "WE" were attacked. While I appreciate the emotion of fellow Americans, it was the people of DC, Pennsylvania (and a rural area at that) and NYC who were attacked. Whether the systems failed due to technology or choice, they failed and when you can't get a call through you don't give a damn what the reason is. When we experienced a power outage a few years ago in the North East, ecven though television broadcasters remained operational, most people who didn't have power didn't own battery operated televisions! With no powe,r we had no internet and no cell service for the majority of the region once battery backups died. I live here and I know!
I'm glad all the HD digital radio broadcasting stations were back on the air digitally broadcasting so quickly after 9-11. Unfortunately I don't think anyone could hear their digital broadcast signals, so HD Radio could not have been much help with the emergency.Do most of your statements relate to HD radio?What's 9-11 got to do with HD Radio?Perhaps you are posting 9-11 information in the wrong area.
Are you calling other posters who don't necessarily agree with you "ignorant" and are you the one actually making all the wild, unfounded accusations, etc., etc.?It is clear who has problems with all the 'issues" and has all the "agenda".
Who said "We".
Only a couple of commercial FMs, like WPAT and WKTU, and some non-comes were at the WTC at 9/11. Most were at the ESB, as they always were, as the WTC was too far south for protection requirements and coverage of Westchester and SW Connecticut for the WTC to be as effective. From Scott Fybush: "Radio was also knocked out by the attacks: the Trade Center had been home to Columbia University's WKCR (89.9), Spanish Broadcasting's WPAT-FM (93.1 Paterson NJ), public radio WNYC-FM (93.9) and Clear Channel's WKTU (103.5 Lake Success). Only WKTU had a fully-functional auxiliary site, the recently-completed Conde Nast building at Four Times Square; it shifted smoothly from WTC to that site with no downtime. WKCR and WPAT-FM would remain silent for several days. WNYC lost more than its FM signal; its studio-to-transmitter link to WNYC(AM) also ran through the Trade Center site, leaving no way to get audio from the station's Municipal Building studios to the otherwise unaffected AM 820 site across the river in Kearny, N.J. To make matters worse, the studios were only a few blocks from the Trade Center, at the top of a tall building that was soon evacuated."The Condé Nast facility did exist, contrary to what you said, and was ready to operate in september, 2001.autopaint-1 said:
IOC was not in operation in 2001, except experimentally. I am not sure, but I do not think any NYC FM had IBOC running then, since the new ESB antenna had yet to be built.SUPERCASTER said:
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"The Condé Nast facility did exist, contrary to what you said, and was ready to operate in september, 2001."That's interesting. I attended an SBE meeting at Conde Nast and the tower was still being constructed and that was in 2003. Yes, there were a few stations with backup facilities, but WKCR who had only just returned to the air following the destruction of their main site on the WTC from their backup facilities at Riverside. was still using a Telos X-Stream for their STL because the T1 hadn't been installed yet. Oh and the HD I refered to was HDTV NOT radio. I do get tired of arguing with the same people over and over again over subjects I have first hand information of. I should probably listen to my wife and just ignore all of this.
If the Condé Nast facility did not exist (your post specifically says it did not) then how did WKTU automatically switch to it on 9/11? I did not say it was a finished facility, I said it "existed" and was certainly operational for those who needed it. Of the commercial stations, WPAT had no backup for the WTC center, whicle WKTU did... and WKTU lost no airtime. Many other stations looked at the Condé Nast facility and passed on it, staying on the ESB. Some rethought this after 9/11 and recognized the need for some kind of AUX site. Getting angry at being wrong does not contribute to this thread. Some of us are actually involved with other stations (I inspected the 103.5 installation in about 1979 when we were buying it from Friendly Frost... and was on the roof of the WTC tower where the directional FM antenna was located) and know a thing or two as well. Feel free to ignore this if it causes you stress.autopaint-1 said:
The Conde Nast site was operational before 9/11. In 2003, the tower on top of the building was replaced by a taller one, which is probably what was discussed at your meeting. Scott Fybush has documented the Conde Nast project pretty well on his site.autopaint-1 said:
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I was at the meeting with Scott and to the best of my knowledge the only NY VHF television station at the time with a backup was WCBS. What does any of this have to do with HD radio?
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