MSNBC needs to go off the air

[toby]

MSNBC needs to go off the air because of 4 things. 1: The anchors are very bad.

Typical from you with your broad non-specific catch all "bad" without going into specifics. It sounds like you have no experience in any form of journalistic endeavour.

2: the news coverage in the daytime is not that good and

Again with the non-specifics.

3: MSNBC doesn't have access to non NBC TV stations feeds in the USA to use for breaking news coverage. CNN and FOX NEWS channel use multiple feeds from various TV stations from the same market where a breaking news story is happening, MSNBC doesn't. MSNBC uses the feeds of the NBC affiliates only and doesn't have that access to go the story if the NBC affiliate is not there to show live pictures of a story like CNN and FOX might be covering and sometimes, they can't get access to the satellite feed of an NBC station to dip into the affiliate's coverage and have to go to the NBC affiliate's website to get the live streaming video for breaking news coverage, sometimes.

Can you cite specific examples of this with MSNBC?
And would you expect affiliates of one network to provide video for the competition without any renumeration or some sort of pre-existing agreement?
Using NBC affils makes sense from both a business standpoint and reporting standpoint despite your claims without evidence. It sounds like you have no experience in any form of business endeavour.

And 4: The ratings are very bad and will never improve. This channel needs to go off the air now and let cable systems replace it with a cable channel that will get ratings.

Well it all depends at what time slots and dayparts and demos you are looking at and again you just have some sort of broad sweeping statement without any facts to support it.

What the network needs is some sort of revamp, a rebranding and maybe do something novel for an American cable news outfit - have news most of the time. They could use reports from the various NBC affils around the country to touch on some of the major stories going on throughout the country instead of focusing on non-news stories like Ms. Hilton and the like. Other things that have to go is the repackaged Dateline NBC pieces which try to appear to be something else and of course the "doc bloc" which is more recycled crap. They should at least rebroadcast Nightly and maybe pick up some overseas CNBC coverage. That would help a lot in getting some better news content.

 

[Al Timiter]

MSNBC needs to go off the air? What needs to go off the air IMHO are the countless "channels" that are 75% infomercials....and other long form "programming" that is actually a long form commercial begging for money.

 

[jegrant]

I don't have a problem with the Doc Block, in and of itself. But I think they should shorten it to an hour most nights, from 10-11. At 11, simulcast live WNBC news from NYC. At 11:35, cut to an edited version of KNBC LA's 6 PM news that fills up the hour until 12:00 midnight. Alternatively, use 6 PM news from both, and no editing would be required. I like the idea of having the live news though.

At midnight, it'd be wonderful if they would use this time to run some international newscasts.

 

[ropertex]

They are sitting on the nbcnewschannel.com domain.

 

[Mainedude2007]

At midnight, it'd be wonderful if they would use this time to run some international newscasts.

what do they have the international rights to? Sky is owned by Fox so they wouldn't carry that, I don't know about the BBC but they seem to want to start their own news presence in other countries.

 

[BRNout]

At midnight, it'd be wonderful if they would use this time to run some international newscasts.

what do they have the international rights to? Sky is owned by Fox so they wouldn't carry that, I don't know about the BBC but they seem to want to start their own news presence in other countries.

The BBC has an agreement with PBS, so that would also seem doubtful. ITV News may or may not have a partner here - I just don't know. However, I really don't see MSNBC going international. They are sneaking many of their opinion shows to the left in response to Fox - which is a pretty good move for them. Even if CNN is already there, without admitting it. Frankly, MSNBC does get good buzz and still has some potential.

What they really need to do is to change their stupid name and reposition themselves a bit. Drop the MS for cryin' out loud. It has NO cachet. All it does is stick in the throat. The name sucks. NBC News Channel or some similar name and positioner would be much better.

One other thing is that their recent abandonment of evening programming is a huge mistake. Tuning over there to see prison shows and a series of old "To Catch a Predator" segments is very damaging to their credibility as a "serious" news channel. Makes MSNBC look like a joke.

Especially when, on the weekends, they seem to do more live news coverage than Fox. Go live during the evening and show the viewers that you have an actual commitment to doing things right.

 

[jegrant]

The BBC not only has PBS as a partner, but also BBC America and BBC World News (now being shopped around to US cable systems) - but IIRC, live ITV coverage of various UK news events has appeared on MSNBC before. And I'm thinking closer to home. I think some CBC news programs like "The Hour" and "The National" could work well in MSNBC late night.

 

[toby]

Ideal MSNBC Evening Lineup

Eastern Time Lineup
8:00 p.m. Countdown
9:00 p.m. WNBC 6 p.m. newscast
9:30 p.m. KNBC 6 p.m. newscast
10:00 p.m. The National (CBC)
11:00 p.m. NBC Nightly News
11:30 p.m. WNBC 11 p.m. newscast (it would fit with less ads)

Pacific Time Lineup
9:00 p.m. Countdown
10:00 p.m. KNBC 6 p.m. newscast
9:30 p.m. WNBC 11 p.m. newscast
10:00 p.m. The National (CBC)
11:00 p.m. NBC Nightly News
11:30 p.m. KNBC 11 p.m. newscast

 

[Jul]

Sleuth channel would be a great replacement to MSNBC, what do you think. NBC is losing millions of dollars with MSNBC, why not replace MSNBC with Sleuth channel or Weather Plus.

 

[JeeperOne]

Hi everyone:

Sleuth channel would be a great replacement to MSNBC, what do you think. NBC is losing millions of dollars with MSNBC, why not replace MSNBC with Sleuth channel or Weather Plus.

Julius, WHY don't you just simply GIVE UP on this infatuary obsession you have with MSNBC somehow going away? I mean seriously dude....Are you getting paid by FOX News to get on here and bash MSNBC even (And especially!) when they don't deserve it?

Now, as for the two channels you propose that MSNBC be replaced with. WeatherPlus isn't available in every market mainly because the local NBC affiliate hasn't opted to make use of the service themselves (Not to mention that WeatherPlus was designed to be a digital sub-channel for NBC O&Os and affiliates and IS NOT intended to be a national service like the Weather Channel is). Sleuth will be available in time. Look how long it's taken for the NFL Network to get the penetration it has now. It may not happen overnight, but trust me when I say this Julius, Sleuth WILL be on your cable lineup before you know it.

Finally....As to your earlier comment about two news channels sufficing....Are you suggesting that CNBC, Bloomberg & ABC News Now go away as well? How 'bout all the regional news outlets like Comcast's CN8 on the East Coast & (The highly successful & very popular I might add!) Northwest Cable News in the Pacific Northwest? WHERE DOES IT END WITH YOU JULIUS??

Again....Just my blunt opinion....

Cheers

 

[Jul]

Hi everyone: Julius, WHY don't you just simply GIVE UP on this infatuary obsession you have with MSNBC somehow going away? I mean seriously dude....Are you getting paid by FOX News to get on here and bash MSNBC even (And especially!) when they don't deserve it?

Now, as for the two channels you propose that MSNBC be replaced with. WeatherPlus isn't available in every market mainly because the local NBC affiliate hasn't opted to make use of the service themselves (Not to mention that WeatherPlus was designed to be a digital sub-channel for NBC O&Os and affiliates and IS NOT intended to be a national service like the Weather Channel is). Sleuth will be available in time. Look how long it's taken for the NFL Network to get the penetration it has now. It may not happen overnight, but trust me when I say this Julius, Sleuth WILL be on your cable lineup before you know it.

Finally....As to your earlier comment about two news channels sufficing....Are you suggesting that CNBC, Bloomberg & ABC News Now go away as well? How 'bout all the regional news outlets like Comcast's CN8 on the East Coast & (The highly successful & very popular I might add!) Northwest Cable News in the Pacific Northwest? WHERE DOES IT END WITH YOU JULIUS??

Again....Just my blunt opinion....

Cheers

I'm saying that CNN, FOX News, CNBC, Headline news are the national channels everyone watches and MSNBC is the least watched, that's why I'm saying shut the channel down.

 

[toby]

Sleuth channel would be a great replacement to MSNBC, what do you think. NBC is losing millions of dollars with MSNBC, why not replace MSNBC with Sleuth channel or Weather Plus.

I think you have no understanding of the business end of television and media.

 

[Jul]

I think you have no understanding of the business end of television and media.

You are right, I don't.

 

[JeeperOne]

Hi everyone:

Hi everyone: Julius, WHY don't you just simply GIVE UP on this infatuary obsession you have with MSNBC somehow going away? I mean seriously dude....Are you getting paid by FOX News to get on here and bash MSNBC even (And especially!) when they don't deserve it?

Now, as for the two channels you propose that MSNBC be replaced with. WeatherPlus isn't available in every market mainly because the local NBC affiliate hasn't opted to make use of the service themselves (Not to mention that WeatherPlus was designed to be a digital sub-channel for NBC O&Os and affiliates and IS NOT intended to be a national service like the Weather Channel is). Sleuth will be available in time. Look how long it's taken for the NFL Network to get the penetration it has now. It may not happen overnight, but trust me when I say this Julius, Sleuth WILL be on your cable lineup before you know it.

Finally....As to your earlier comment about two news channels sufficing....Are you suggesting that CNBC, Bloomberg & ABC News Now go away as well? How 'bout all the regional news outlets like Comcast's CN8 on the East Coast & (The highly successful & very popular I might add!) Northwest Cable News in the Pacific Northwest? WHERE DOES IT END WITH YOU JULIUS??

Again....Just my blunt opinion....

Cheers

I'm saying that CNN, FOX News, CNBC, Headline news are the national channels everyone watches and MSNBC is the least watched, that's why I'm saying shut the channel down.

And again Julius, I ask.....

Are you suggesting that CNBC, Bloomberg & ABC News Now go away as well? How 'bout all the regional news outlets like Comcast's CN8 on the East Coast & (The highly successful & very popular I might add!) Northwest Cable News in the Pacific Northwest? WHERE DOES IT END WITH YOU JULIUS??

Cheers

 

[rockroll0617]

MSNBC

Julius, WHY don't you just simply GIVE UP on this infatuary obsession you have with MSNBC somehow going away? I mean seriously dude....Are you getting paid by FOX News to get on here and bash MSNBC even (And especially!) when they don't deserve it?

Fox News is (particularly Bill O'Reilly) obsessed with MSNBC and since
a majority of FNC's viewership is very, extremely conservative, their
followers are just in lock-step with the Republican media wing network.

I also suspect that with Fox News' ratings on a slow but steady decline
for the past 18 months or so and MSNBC's slow but steady rise (namely
Olbermann's show) has a lot to do with that. Their mantra is to always
"attack the opponent", whether in media or politically. ;D

 

[Jul]

And again Julius, I ask.....

Are you suggesting that CNBC, Bloomberg & ABC News Now go away as well? How 'bout all the regional news outlets like Comcast's CN8 on the East Coast & (The highly successful & very popular I might add!) Northwest Cable News in the Pacific Northwest? WHERE DOES IT END WITH YOU JULIUS??

Cheers

No, I'm not. I'm only suggesting MSNBC because the whole channel sucks and the news operation and anchors are very bad.

 

[toby]

And again Julius, I ask.....

Are you suggesting that CNBC, Bloomberg & ABC News Now go away as well? How 'bout all the regional news outlets like Comcast's CN8 on the East Coast & (The highly successful & very popular I might add!) Northwest Cable News in the Pacific Northwest? WHERE DOES IT END WITH YOU JULIUS??

Cheers

No, I'm not. I'm only suggesting MSNBC because the whole channel sucks and the news operation and anchors are very bad.

Can you tell us why?
How about a nice point by point analysis about the strengths and weaknesses of the network, its news operations, and its anchors instead of just saying it sucks and is very bad.
Do you have any experience in media, either traditional or new?
It doesn't seem like you do, since you can't express your reasons for the problems with the channel.
Please, I beg you give us a point by point analysis if you can.

 

[rockroll0617]

And again Julius, I ask.....

Are you suggesting that CNBC, Bloomberg & ABC News Now go away as well? How 'bout all the regional news outlets like Comcast's CN8 on the East Coast & (The highly successful & very popular I might add!) Northwest Cable News in the Pacific Northwest? WHERE DOES IT END WITH YOU JULIUS??

Cheers

No, I'm not. I'm only suggesting MSNBC because the whole channel sucks and the news operation and anchors are very bad.

Can you tell us why?
How about a nice point by point analysis about the strengths and weaknesses of the network, its news operations, and its anchors instead of just saying it sucks and is very bad.
Do you have any experience in media, either traditional or new?
It doesn't seem like you do, since you can't express your reasons for the problems with the channel.
Please, I beg you give us a point by point analysis if you can.

I think we can assume Julius' opinion on MSNBC mostly comes not from
any sort of high-level analysis of the news operation so much as an obvious
but perhaps unspoken "I'm a conservative who loves Fox News" (which hates
MSNBC right now because the latter has made ratings inroads on FNC).

I wouldn't expect any in-depth points based on experience in or with TV
news.

 

[toby]

And again Julius, I ask.....

Are you suggesting that CNBC, Bloomberg & ABC News Now go away as well? How 'bout all the regional news outlets like Comcast's CN8 on the East Coast & (The highly successful & very popular I might add!) Northwest Cable News in the Pacific Northwest? WHERE DOES IT END WITH YOU JULIUS??

Cheers

No, I'm not. I'm only suggesting MSNBC because the whole channel sucks and the news operation and anchors are very bad.

Can you tell us why?
How about a nice point by point analysis about the strengths and weaknesses of the network, its news operations, and its anchors instead of just saying it sucks and is very bad.
Do you have any experience in media, either traditional or new?
It doesn't seem like you do, since you can't express your reasons for the problems with the channel.
Please, I beg you give us a point by point analysis if you can.

I think we can assume Julius' opinion on MSNBC mostly comes not from
any sort of high-level analysis of the news operation so much as an obvious
but perhaps unspoken "I'm a conservative who loves Fox News" (which hates
MSNBC right now because the latter has made ratings inroads on FNC).

I wouldn't expect any in-depth points based on experience in or with TV
news.

I am afraid I have to agree here. This whole thing has devolved, since the person who posed the question has basically nothing to say on the matter, save for the same sort of non specific talking points of someone who seems to have had no interaction with any broadcast professionals or have actually seen the sausage get made - and no watching them on television does not count and neither does taking the NBC tour or seeing a live shot once or twice.

Julius, if you love Fox News please state so and maybe compare the strengths and weaknesses of MSNBC compared to Fox News. Be specific as possible (so saying "the anchors are bad" just won't cut it here), cite examples, and maybe compare specific dayparts. It isn't that hard.

 

[JeeperOne]

Hi everyone:

And again Julius, I ask.....

Are you suggesting that CNBC, Bloomberg & ABC News Now go away as well? How 'bout all the regional news outlets like Comcast's CN8 on the East Coast & (The highly successful & very popular I might add!) Northwest Cable News in the Pacific Northwest? WHERE DOES IT END WITH YOU JULIUS??

Cheers

No, I'm not. I'm only suggesting MSNBC because the whole channel sucks and the news operation and anchors are very bad.

Can you tell us why?
How about a nice point by point analysis about the strengths and weaknesses of the network, its news operations, and its anchors instead of just saying it sucks and is very bad.
Do you have any experience in media, either traditional or new?
It doesn't seem like you do, since you can't express your reasons for the problems with the channel.
Please, I beg you give us a point by point analysis if you can.
[/quote]

I think we can assume Julius' opinion on MSNBC mostly comes not from
any sort of high-level analysis of the news operation so much as an obvious
but perhaps unspoken "I'm a conservative who loves Fox News" (which hates
MSNBC right now because the latter has made ratings inroads on FNC).[/quote]You can also add lack of intelligence to that list as well. Even as a TV viewer, I recognize the need to have networks like MSNBC around. Just like I understand the need for regional cable news networks such as NWCN up in the Pacific Nortwest.

But apparently Julius doesn't understand this.

I wouldn't expect any in-depth points based on experience in or with TV
news.

In-Depth nor intelligent. Not from Julius anyway.

Cheers