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Music Master for Windows - Clunky?

I've used Music Master on 4 different computers in 2 different markets, and it is always incredibly slow.

Switching out songs is brutal. To load up the songs (that you can switch with) takes about 5-10 secs. I know it's only 10 secs, but I'm used to everything happening instantly. Also, those 5-10 secs add up, if you're switching out a lot of songs.

I'm just wondering if it's the program or my computers?

At my last station, one of the computers was terrible...definitely on it's last legs, but Music Master seemed to work exactly as it does on the newer computer I'm using now...SLOW!!!

Would an upgraded computer make much difference, or is this a Music Master issue?
 
I find Music Master to be incredibly fast at everything. I think you have bad hardware or malware, etc... on said system.

I run MMWIN from an SSD. Keep in mind that it is database intensive, so a fast system drive will change your life.
 
Thanks Chris. It's not a huge deal because I'm just our backup music director, so I really only use it a few weeks a year.

If I ever do music full time, I'll definitely take your advice.
 
I program 3 stations (all music) in my cluster, so it moving quick is a priority to me.

I have a pretty complex rule tree, so if you ever find yourself using it fulltime, get an 99 dollar Intel SSD for your OS & MM drive.
 
How long does it take to schedule a day? I don't mean Schedule and Edit...Just "Automatic Schedule."

I normally just hit schedule and walk away, but I just did a test. To schedule 1 day it took over 12 minutes.

I assume the reason that it's taking so long is because it's searching the network. Do you keep a copy of the music on your computer, or does the ssd make the network faster?

Sorry, I don't know anything about SSDs. Doing some research, for $99 I can only get a 40gig SSD which wouldn't be near big enough to hold all our music.

It looks like we have about a TB of music (actually, music, commercials, IDs etc).
 
Your music isn't on your mmwin machine, unless you do that for segue previews.

It takes me 20 seconds on some stations. On my really deep stations with tons of rules, maybe 1 minute.
 
Randy Lahey said:
I've used Music Master on 4 different computers in 2 different markets, and it is always incredibly slow.

As has already been said, if you have many rules, very inflexible fixed position clocks, loads of songs by a few core artists that need protecting, then scheduling will be slow.

Adding to that, I'd say that if you are trying to make your library be what it isn't, then you will have slow scheduling. For example, if your library is 30% up tempo but you have rules for 50% up tempo, then that rule will fight with the others. Result: bad rotations and long processing.

Switching out songs is brutal. To load up the songs (that you can switch with) takes about 5-10 secs. I know it's only 10 secs, but I'm used to everything happening instantly. Also, those 5-10 secs add up, if you're switching out a lot of songs.

F5 swaps should be almost instant (swapping two songs already on the log). Bringing up an eligible song list (F9) should be almost as fast, unless, again, you want close matches or near matches (breaks no rules or breaks no unbreakable rules). Again, rules that are badly done will slow it down.

I'm just wondering if it's the program or my computers?

I presume you have the current version of the program, or nearly so. And I presume you are using a computer that was new in the last 3 to 4 years... otherwise, the program is designed for hardware that you don't have and which is several generations old.

At my last station, one of the computers was terrible...definitely on it's last legs, but Music Master seemed to work exactly as it does on the newer computer I'm using now...SLOW!!!

First check... run the log analysis (on the schedule options it can be made a default for a while till you work this out) and see how much searching you have to do to get each match. Also, you can see how many songs totally failed, indicating that the rules are not tuned to the library.

I made it a rule to adjust the rules (redundancy intentional) after every music test... often taking as much as 20 to 30 hours of adjusting the rules and doing a month or so of test logs. The time results in better rotations (more TSL) and a better perception of variety (you can make fewer good songs sound more varied than many stiffs).

If you have support options with A-Ware, then you can send a database to them for analyis.

Would an upgraded computer make much difference, or is this a Music Master issue?

Where you have your songs is irrelevant. If you have low-fi copies to do flow analysis or tips and tails, then those will only be activated if you tell them to play and not a slow-down. The most important hardware issue is the CPU and system speed, then the amount of memory and finally the speed of the hard drive.

The slowest I have had on a reasonably good machine with 2009 technology is about 6 minutes for what MusicMaster called the "deepest set of rules we've ever seen" on a station with 100% migrating clocks and a 1200 song library with every kind of flow and sound code you've ever seen, as well as very, very tight vertical and horizontal rotations going out more than 5 weeks. On a station like AC KLVE, usual schedule times were on the order of 90 seconds with recently optimized rules.
 
Well, It looks like it's fixed. It's running pretty smoothly now. Swapping out songs is basically instant now. I couldn't be happier.

On the Musicmaster website they have posted all of their old webinars. One of them mentioned purging musicmaster. That's what I did, and it's made a huge difference. I don't think anybody had ever done that before.

It does still take a long time to schedule a day though. I scheduled 2 days, and each took about 8 minutes (still, much better than the 12 mins it used to take). One day had 22 unscheduled events, and the other day had 15. Just like David mentioned, I think we're trying to make our library be what it isn't. Too many rules that just don't suit our library and that's slowing it down considerably.

But as I mentioned in my original post, I can just hit schedule and walk away so I'm not worried how long it takes. The editing is what bothered me, and that's now working perfectly so I couldn't be happier.

Thanks again for all of the help guys.
 
Randy Lahey said:
Well, It looks like it's fixed. It's running pretty smoothly now. Swapping out songs is basically instant now. I couldn't be happier.

On the Musicmaster website they have posted all of their old webinars. One of them mentioned purging musicmaster. That's what I did, and it's made a huge difference. I don't think anybody had ever done that before.

It does still take a long time to schedule a day though. I scheduled 2 days, and each took about 8 minutes (still, much better than the 12 mins it used to take). One day had 22 unscheduled events, and the other day had 15. Just like David mentioned, I think we're trying to make our library be what it isn't. Too many rules that just don't suit our library and that's slowing it down considerably.

But as I mentioned in my original post, I can just hit schedule and walk away so I'm not worried how long it takes. The editing is what bothered me, and that's now working perfectly so I couldn't be happier.

Thanks again for all of the help guys.

Glad you are good Randy. Also, if ANYTHING weird ever starts happening... Songs not scheduling, etc... Run a purge. That fixes many issues. I didn't even think to mention that.
 
The slowest I have had on a reasonably good machine with 2009 technology is about 6 minutes for what MusicMaster called the "deepest set of rules we've ever seen" on a station with 100% migrating clocks and a 1200 song library with every kind of flow and sound code you've ever seen, as well as very, very tight vertical and horizontal rotations going out more than 5 weeks. On a station like AC KLVE, usual schedule times were on the order of 90 seconds with recently optimized rules.

Oh, how I would LOVE to see this rule tree and clocks. I love complex music scheduling.
 
chriscollins said:
Glad you are good Randy. Also, if ANYTHING weird ever starts happening... Songs not scheduling, etc... Run a purge. That fixes many issues. I didn't even think to mention that.

I didn't think of that either... and that reminds me that also keeping too much history will slow things down. I try not to keep more history than the longest horizontal protection rule requires; making sure the horizontal protection does not go out too many days needlessly also has an effect. I've seen databases that put long protection on specialty shows so that they did not repeat patterns for several months, yet only saved longs for 4 weeks so the rule had no effect anyway.
 
chriscollins said:
Oh, how I would LOVE to see this rule tree and clocks. I love complex music scheduling.

Message me in private... I can make the database generic and YouSendIt to you when I am in LA where I have my back database archive. The database was worked on by both Joe and Jill at A-Ware when I spent some days in Milwaukee, too... so it's full of the use of some of the features.
 
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