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Music Radio Declines, Is Now For Poor, Old, Immigrants

Did you see this? The Houston Press had a great article recently about the decline of CDs and music (and radio!). John Nova Lomax points out that "record companies" are churning out lots of bad music and part of the reason is the catering to radio, which is continually asking:
"...'send us some more of the same crap that is sinking our whole medium, please.'

"The people who run commercial radio have made a conscious decision to abandon musically discerning people. The managers at radio conglomerates like Clear Channel and Cumulus concede that true music fans will be listening to burned CDs, iPods or satellite radio in their cars, so today, their target audience is made up of a combination of the least-technically savvy among us and/or those who have the least interest in new music.

"Take a look at the ratings here in Houston. The top 20 stations are as follows: two hip-hop; four Spanish-language, one pop music; two contemporary country; and one modern rock station that often sounds stuck in the 1990s. The other ten are either news/talk outlets or "classic" stations, ranging from the solid gold soul and R&B of Majic 102 to the pop balladry of Sunny 99 to the inane '80s blather of the The Point."

And Lomax says it's because mainstream radio caters to rap and country fans, blue-collar immigrants and people who are either poor, old, new in America or not interested in new music.

Lomax writes, "Music's place on the radio seems destined only to shrink, and the stuff that makes it on the air is going to be very formulaic and familiar. The best places to hear new rock bands today -- at least in the old media -- are TV commercials, teen dramas like The O.C. or films like Garden State.

So what about the future? "...It seems more and more likely that a good chunk of America's pop, country and R&B stars will be anointed by American Idol rather than by the traditional music business machine."

See "DISConnect" on the Houston Press website.
 
And he writes for a rag I can get for free when I eat at Chipolte... yeah... he's qualified.
 
michaelshiloh said:
Did you see this? The Houston Press had a great article recently about the decline of CDs and music (and radio!). John Nova Lomax points out that "record companies" are churning out lots of bad music and part of the reason is the catering to radio, which is continually asking:
"...'send us some more of the same crap that is sinking our whole medium, please.'

"The people who run commercial radio have made a conscious decision to abandon musically discerning people. The managers at radio conglomerates like Clear Channel and Cumulus concede that true music fans will be listening to burned CDs, iPods or satellite radio in their cars, so today, their target audience is made up of a combination of the least-technically savvy among us and/or those who have the least interest in new music.

"Take a look at the ratings here in Houston. The top 20 stations are as follows: two hip-hop; four Spanish-language, one pop music; two contemporary country; and one modern rock station that often sounds stuck in the 1990s. The other ten are either news/talk outlets or "classic" stations, ranging from the solid gold soul and R&B of Majic 102 to the pop balladry of Sunny 99 to the inane '80s blather of the The Point."

but I have to agree with him while I'm eating my carnita burrito at Chipotle.

I was in my car today without the XM and scanned all the music stations. same old S#!$.
Buzz - playing drivel. still pushing Kid Rock and Bush
Mix - commercials and Nickelback
KRBE - more Nickelback and Britney
Pointless - still the same 200 songs that needs to be put out of its misery.
KIOL - bad classic rock of Journey. if I want classic rock, see below.

good points:
KLDE - not oldies but at least a "fresher" sound for classic hits
Arrow - doing their A-Z Library. I've liked this the past couple of years. great to hear a few songs that aren't played that often. sad thing is Ozzy following the Cars.

where are the Shins, Beck, Bloc Party, Kooks, Silversun Pickups, TV on the Radio, Radiohead, Clash, Roxy Music, and even Tom Waits. new bands and influential musicians??
I think that is what Lomax is implying for the state of radio in Houston. no cutting edge, no developing stations, no developing artists. same old S#!$.
 
I think you're right Jay C. And by the way, Foo-Foo, google it. The whole Lomax family is uniquely qualified to write about music. John Nova Lomax is great-grandson to John Lomax, the pioneering musicologist and folklorist. It was John A. Lomax who discovered some of the most influential musicians of the 20th century. Not that you care, of course!
 
Fo-Fo-Fo-Hye said:
And he writes for a rag I can get for free when I eat at Chipolte... yeah... he's qualified.

The truth was spoken. You can't run from it. FM radio survives because that is what is stuck in most peoples' cars. And that is changing rapidly. The only people listening to FM radio for any amount of time are the illegals redoing the tile in my kitchen. They always have a cheap boom-box going full blast on some Spanish only channel.

For me, I listen to what I want, when I want it... I access XM, IPods, and the Internet -- home and car. FM is soooooooooooooooooo yesterday.
 
Isn't this the same newspaper that has all the weird ads in the back! Geez, I thought nobody read those papers.
 
The biggest problem with radio (AM and FM) is that there is no personality. Radio used to be the only place to hear new music or learn about upcoming concerts AND be entertained. Not the case today thanks to corporate America "dumbing" down the product in order to squeeze out the profits. They have to play it so safe these days that you, the listener, are getting cheated. Radio has become nothing more that an unregulated (thanks Bill Clinton) delivery device for commercials--where the "personalities" are largly reduced to reading little blue cards with compelling liners such as, "More music with less talk" or "We play fewer commercials" after playing a block of ads that just ran 7 minutes. If FM radio were not in cars would anyone really miss them? Certainly not those who have Sirius, XM or MP3 players. And not those who will have internet access in their cars later this year. In short it would appear that while the world keeps evolving radio has failed to keep up.

As far as HD radio is concerned: If they can't come up with compelling programming on their main frequencies what makes you think the HD channels will be any different? It is still going to be run by the corporations who have made radio the unlistenable product it is today. The proof is in the shrinking ratings and the declining Time Spend Listening each week.

Dave E. Crockett
www.dxsradio.com
 
I just got my new truck and it came with Sirius and an Ipod outlet. On a weekend outing last week, I had the Sirius going, my wife had her Ipod plugged in and the kids were comfortably watching DVDs in the back seat. FM Radio.........what's that? Yeah, I think there some meat in that "rag" article FO FO.
 
trifecta123 said:
The truth was spoken. You can't run from it. FM radio survives because that is what is stuck in most peoples' cars.

Only 30% of listening is done in the car. Try again, without the disparaging comments about Hispanics this time.
 
DavidEduardo said:
trifecta123 said:
The truth was spoken. You can't run from it. FM radio survives because that is what is stuck in most peoples' cars.

Only 30% of listening is done in the car. Try again, without the disparaging comments about Hispanics this time.

I also mentioned that illegals listen to FM when they are working. And there is nothing disparaging about saying that illegals listen to FM Spansih channels. Put your race-baiter card away fella.
 
Dave E. Crockett said:
The biggest problem with radio (AM and FM) is that there is no personality. Radio used to be the only place to hear new music or learn about upcoming concerts AND be entertained. Not the case today thanks to corporate America "dumbing" down the product in order to squeeze out the profits. They have to play it so safe these days that you, the listener, are getting cheated. Radio has become nothing more that an unregulated (thanks Bill Clinton) delivery device for commercials--where the "personalities" are largly reduced to reading little blue cards with compelling liners such as, "More music with less talk" or "We play fewer commercials" after playing a block of ads that just ran 7 minutes. If FM radio were not in cars would anyone really miss them? Certainly not those who have Sirius, XM or MP3 players. And not those who will have internet access in their cars later this year. In short it would appear that while the world keeps evolving radio has failed to keep up.

As far as HD radio is concerned: If they can't come up with compelling programming on their main frequencies what makes you think the HD channels will be any different? It is still going to be run by the corporations who have made radio the unlistenable product it is today. The proof is in the shrinking ratings and the declining Time Spend Listening each week.

Dave E. Crockett
www.dxsradio.com
Crockett! What the hell do you know??? This city is ON FIRE because they are so excited that I have "another long music set next." Nobody want to hear a bunch of different songs and compelling thoughts.
They want to hear exactly how many minutes of music I give them. For Pete's sake, we're the station for your at work listening that everyone can agree on playing x minutes of the x year with fewer commercials every hour-- songs that
sound like this. Its a revolution, im telling you.
 
DavidEduardo said:
trifecta123 said:
The truth was spoken. You can't run from it. FM radio survives because that is what is stuck in most peoples' cars.

Only 30% of listening is done in the car. Try again, without the disparaging comments about Hispanics this time.

Got out of the car, came into my office and flipped on the XM. After I got tired of that I signed onto the great San Diego sports station (on my computer) that carries Jim Rome. After about an hour I went to my shipping base out in the warehouse and turned on the boom-box to Rush Limbaugh on AM radio. Meantime, out on the loading dock my warehouse guys (Hispanic and legal) have their boom-box on KXLN at a high decible level. Came back into my office, opened up some ad buy files for a couple of my clients (with my ad business) to make sure the Spanish stations were all covered in their buys. Once again, no traditional FM (on both the air and my ad buys). Hmmmm, maybe there is more truth in the "rag" article after all.
 
adguy said:
DavidEduardo said:
trifecta123 said:
The truth was spoken. You can't run from it. FM radio survives because that is what is stuck in most peoples' cars.

Only 30% of listening is done in the car. Try again, without the disparaging comments about Hispanics this time.

Got out of the car, came into my office and flipped on the XM. After I got tired of that I signed onto the great San Diego sports station (on my computer) that carries Jim Rome. After about an hour I went to my shipping base out in the warehouse and turned on the boom-box to Rush Limbaugh on AM radio. Meantime, out on the loading dock my warehouse guys (Hispanic and legal) have their boom-box on KXLN at a high decible level. Came back into my office, opened up some ad buy files for a couple of my clients (with my ad business) to make sure the Spanish stations were all covered in their buys. Once again, no traditional FM (on both the air and my ad buys). Hmmmm, maybe there is more truth in the "rag" article after all.

Don't get zumahans over here, or he and David will be arguing about whether XPRS/XEPE-FM are "San Diego" stations or not.
 
trifecta123 said:
I also mentioned that illegals listen to FM when they are working.

Since illegals would not fill in an Arbitron diary (where you have to give out your address and details on family size, income, etc) nor would they likely carry a PPM, that comment is kind of irrelevant. We have no idea what illegals do or do not do, as they are what we call "not research friendly."
 
KJCB said:
Don't get zumahans over here, or he and David will be arguing about whether XPRS/XEPE-FM are "San Diego" stations or not.

Since there is no XEPE-FM, there would be nothing to argue about, anyway. ;D

(Leaving no nit unpicked, there is no XPRS, either)
 
DavidEduardo said:
KJCB said:
Don't get zumahans over here, or he and David will be arguing about whether XPRS/XEPE-FM are "San Diego" stations or not.

Since there is no XEPE-FM, there would be nothing to argue about, anyway. ;D

(Leaving no nit unpicked, there is no XPRS, either)

You're right, I guess Cash is XEPE, but 105.7 is XHBCE? What is the AM half of XX - XEPRS?
 
DavidEduardo said:
trifecta123 said:
I also mentioned that illegals listen to FM when they are working.

Since illegals would not fill in an Arbitron diary (where you have to give out your address and details on family size, income, etc) nor would they likely carry a PPM, that comment is kind of irrelevant. We have no idea what illegals do or do not do, as they are what we call "not research friendly."


Are you 100% sure that illegals don't fill out a diary and would Arbitron even bother to check their status?

Illegal Immigrant Sues Radio Station For Following Law
http://www.corruptionchronicles.com/2007/01/illegal_immigrant_sues_radio_s.html

Illegal immigrant sues Chicago radio station for withholding Corvette won in raffle
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/nation/20070125-0735-brf-radiostation-immigrant.html

Undocumented Woman Sues Chicago Radio Station Over Unrewarded Corvette
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,246782,00.html
 
trifecta123 said:
Since illegals would not fill in an Arbitron diary (where you have to give out your address and details on family size, income, etc) nor would they likely carry a PPM, that comment is kind of irrelevant. We have no idea what illegals do or do not do, as they are what we call "not research friendly."


Are you 100% sure that illegals don't fill out a diary and would Arbitron even bother to check their status?
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Arbitron does not ask migratory status. However (and it has been verified by proprietary research) common sense says that someone here illegally is not going to give thier address and family details out ont he phone to a stranger who is going to "send them somehting in the mail."
 
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