My CD Player's Threat To HD Radio

[durdy_souf]

Since everything is threatening HD Radio, I thought I'd chime in too.
My CD Player gives that CD quality sound! YES!
My CD Player wont fade out if I leave town.
I know exactly what's gonna play next in my CD Player.
If you think this post is silly. You're right it is! It's as silly as any other anti-HD post I've seen. The people on this board aren't bashing HD Radio. It seems as if they're bashing "Radio"
Radio has been here since before we all were born. Hasn't gone anywhere yet. Just like illegal downloading hurt the music industry, IPods & Mp3 players my hurt Radio. But in no way do I see the end of terrestrial radio. Hell, most Mp3 players now pick up local stations.

 

[MotoMuzak]

"Just like illegal downloading hurt the music industry....."

Sidebar (My tuppence worth

I wouldn't exactly classify that as a problem specific to MPEG3 downloading on the Internet, as many, many people seem to have done over time. Even THIS has been going on since before many of us (myself included) were born.

In the 50s and 60s, it was reel-to-reel tape decks and turntable input.
In the 60s and 70s it was FM radio, reel-to-reel tape decks and turntable input.
In the 70s and 80s it was 8-track decks (and later cassettes), FM radio, turntables and CD input.
And in the 80s and 90s it was cassette tapes and the ol' CD player!
Now in the 90s and the 2000s it's MPEGs and the Internet, and CD recorders, portable devices etc.!

So they make it seem like this is just something new that's started in the last few years but reality being, it's been going on for many more than some of us can remember!

Now, back to out regularly-scheduled thread..........

"Hell, most Mp3 players now pick up local stations."
My MPEG3-capable CD player certainly does!

 

[Mike Walker]

I've owned mp3 capable cd (and portable dvd) players for years, and although I like the idea of playing mp3s and cds on the same device, I find the size just too damn cumbersome. But as i said...I like the IDEA, so I'll probably buy more. Especially when one comes with an HD tuner (perhaps late 2008, or early 2009 they now predict).

 

[durdy_souf]

"Just like illegal downloading hurt the music industry....."

Sidebar (My tuppence worth

I wouldn't exactly classify that as a problem specific to MPEG3 downloading on the Internet, as many, many people seem to have done over time. Even THIS has been going on since before many of us (myself included) were born.

In the 50s and 60s, it was reel-to-reel tape decks and turntable input.
In the 60s and 70s it was FM radio, reel-to-reel tape decks and turntable input.
In the 70s and 80s it was 8-track decks (and later cassettes), FM radio, turntables and CD input.
And in the 80s and 90s it was cassette tapes and the ol' CD player!
Now in the 90s and the 2000s it's MPEGs and the Internet, and CD recorders, portable devices etc.!

So they make it seem like this is just something new that's started in the last few years but reality being, it's been going on for many more than some of us can remember!

Now, back to out regularly-scheduled thread..........

"Hell, most Mp3 players now pick up local stations."
My MPEG3-capable CD player certainly does!

Yeah and Frank Sinatra had poor sales because of bootleggers! lol
Let's be real here ok?
Illegal duplication wasn't a problem until the introduction of the CD-R. Sure you could make copies of cassette tapes back in the day. BUT NOW? Any 10 year old can bootleg an entire album and sell it to his 5th grade class for 3 bucks.

The Mp3 players that I spoke of.... I was talking about the portable ones. You know, the small ones that can fit on your key chain? Yeah, they pick up local stations.

 

[700WLW]

I've owned mp3 capable cd (and portable dvd) players for years, and although I like the idea of playing mp3s and cds on the same device, I find the size just too damn cumbersome. But as i said...I like the IDEA, so I'll probably buy more. Especially when one comes with an HD tuner (perhaps late 2008, or early 2009 they now predict).

The power-consumption requirements will have to be resolved, first for portable HD chips/tuners, which doesn't look too promising, unless there is a breakthrough - that is why, there are no plans for portable HD Radio, yet. And, what about the nagging concerns about HD Radio reception - it's not like, people will be able to walk around, with dipoles sticking out of their ipods/mp3s. Of course, there are big plans with Microsoft to put HD Radio into gimmicks, but MSN Direct is subscription-based, and there is no public interest:

http://www.google.com/trends?q="hd+radio",+"msn+direct"

 

[Mike Walker]

All solvable problems, 700. People here, when talking down HD, like to call it "cellular technology". Well I don't see too many dipoles sticking out of cell phones. And they work in malls, in rural areas, in moving cars...even with the antenna INSIDE THE CAR! Try that with any AM or FM radio, analog OR digital (except in a very strong-signal area!)

I'd call HD more "computer technology" than "cellular technology". Hey, cell phones ain't a bad model, EVERYONE (but me!) carries one. But computers are a better model because HD radios have a cpu. Think one of those...even a very fast one...can't fit in a pocket? My Dell Axim X51v runs at 624mhz, and has onboard hardware mpeg video decoding, and a 3D graphics accellerator. Less than a decade ago, this would have been state-of-the art performance for a desktop! Today it fits snugly in my pocket. Even keeps my left nip warm

OF COURSE we'll see pocket HD radios. These aren't problems, they're CHALLENGES. Yeah, that's my campaign slogan! Vote Walker in '08!

 

[700WLW]

All solvable problems, 700. People here, when talking down HD, like to call it "cellular technology". Well I don't see too many dipoles sticking out of cell phones. And they work in malls, in rural areas, in moving cars...even with the antenna INSIDE THE CAR! Try that with any AM or FM radio, analog OR digital (except in a very strong-signal area!)

I'd call HD more "computer technology" than "cellular technology". Hey, cell phones ain't a bad model, EVERYONE (but me!) carries one. But computers are a better model because HD radios have a cpu. Think one of those...even a very fast one...can't fit in a pocket? My Dell Axim X51v runs at 624mhz, and has onboard hardware mpeg video decoding, and a 3D graphics accellerator. Less than a decade ago, this would have been state-of-the art performance for a desktop! Today it fits snugly in my pocket. Even keeps my left nip warm

OF COURSE we'll see pocket HD radios. These aren't problems, they're CHALLENGES. Yeah, that's my campaign slogan! Vote Walker in '08!

"HD Radio -- Too Little, Too Late"

"... HD's issue is the cost and availability of receivers compounded by an utter lack of excitement or awareness with consumers"

http://technology360.typepad.com/technology360/2005/06/hd_radio_too_li.html

And, by the title of this thread, "My CD Player's Threat To HD Radio", has nothing to do with HD Radio - it is your desperate attempt to discredit Google Trends, and to confuse the issue !

 

[Mike Walker]

30 new stations SO FAR this month, and a new receiver announced TODAY. You really think you're scoring points, 700? ;D

 

[700WLW]

30 new stations SO FAR this month, and a new receiver announced TODAY. You really think you're scoring points, 700? ;D

Yawn... but, no one is listening !

"Exploding the momentum myth of HD radio"

"How does it benefit radio to develop a marginally appealing technology when the trends clearly indicate that consumer interest is elsewhere?"

http://www.hear2.com/2005/11/exploding_the_m.html

 

[Mike Walker]

Sangean reports that they're selling 200 units A WEEK of just thier one component tuner. And I'd imagine the component tuner is selling a lot less than the table radios.

 

[SUPERCASTER]

Sangean reports that they're selling 200 units A WEEK of just thier one component tuner. And I'd imagine the component tuner is selling a lot less than the table radios.

That's 10400 per year, and less then 10 radios per HD station per year.
Only 80,000 more years to wait until all the radio's in the USA will be HD.

 

[dumber than a box of hair]

30 new stations SO FAR this month, and a new receiver announced TODAY. You really think you're scoring points, 700? ;D

Yes he is. 30 new stations and a new receiver don't mean squat if the public isn't interested. Radio is utterly failing at what it ought to be doing best: selling itself. Just putting the product out there is less than half the battle. There's no buzz, no sense of excitement, no feeling of "I must have this new toy!" The perceptual studies tell us that people may be aware, on some level, of HD Radio, but have no idea what it is, what it does, or what its benefits are, and have almost no desire to buy one. iNiquity's response to this is "our ad campaign is in the works"...the same crap we've been hearing for the past three years. Meanwhile, time marches on, and HD Radio is becoming increasingly irrelevant, especially since no one in the radio business seems to understand that 1) hearing the same content in digital is not going to get people to buy digital radios, 2) further fragmenting an already highly fragmented audience by adding secondary channels is not going to work to broadcasters' economic advantage, and 3) HD Radio is an answer without a question...a fix for something that isn't broken.

 

[700WLW]

Sangean reports that they're selling 200 units A WEEK of just thier one component tuner. And I'd imagine the component tuner is selling a lot less than the table radios.

If that is true, where is the link to prove it ? Of course, these numbers cannot be believed, just as with, The Cartel and Radio Shack. Intertesting, that these numbers for Sangean, are way out-of-line with the pathetic number of votes for all HD Radio products on RS, CC, and Amazon (including, sales rankings). This, also contradicts Google Trends, where interest in HD Radio is waining:

http://www.google.com/trends?q="hd+radio"

 

[700WLW]

Sangean reports that they're selling 200 units A WEEK of just thier one component tuner. And I'd imagine the component tuner is selling a lot less than the table radios.

Your claims also contradict the miserable sales ranking, for the Sangean HDR-1 HD Radio, on Amazon:

http://www.amazon.com/Sangean-HDR-1-Radio-stereo-radio/dp/B000LXL6YA

 

[Mike Walker]

A gentleman who goes by the name Master Thesus posted it on the AVS Forum for HD Radio. Here's a link to the page where he gives the figure

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=754059&page=8&pp=30

This link will land you right in the middle of a discussion on Sangean's component HD Tuner. Note how many posts there are on this one tuner! More than 700 seems to feel own HD Radios in the US!

(God I love to post the words "here's the link". Makes me feel just like 700...my idol!)

 

[700WLW]

A gentleman who goes by the name Master Thesus posted it on the AVS Forum for HD Radio. Here's a link to the page where he gives the figure

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=754059&page=8&pp=30

This link will land you right in the middle of a discussion on Sangean's component HD Tuner. Note how many posts there are on this one tuner! More than 700 seems to feel own HD Radios in the US!

(God I love to post the words "here's the link". Makes me feel just like 700...my idol!)

That doesn't prove anything - that whole site, just like the "other" site, are just shilling for HD Radio. That guy is a Sangen employee, and just like Struble's lies, that sales of HD radios are very good, what is he supposed to say - that sales of HD radios are anemic, which we already know ! On Sangean's website, they mention that Sangean HD radios can be bought on Amazon, but as I showed, the Sangean HD Radio is ranked a pathetic 58,000th !

 

[Mike Walker]

By the way...the world doesn't revolve around Amazon! Sangean sells direct. And then there are sales from the places radio geeks to to buy things...RADIO STORES like Universal Radio http://www.universal-radio.com

Not to mention general electronics retailers like J&R Music World. I DO buy things from Amazon.com (mostly BOOKS), but it wouldn't have occured to me to even look for something like this on Amazon!

Next you'll be judging the popularity of hubcaps and cookware by their Amazon ratings!

Another thing...unless you're Casey Kaesem what the hell difference does an item's rating have to do with whether it provides enjoyment? MANY, perhaps most of the things I enjoy most wouldn't rate that highly (I'm sure). Energy C3 speakers? WONDERFUL little devices. I'll bet they don't rate that highly. ART tube microphone preamps? I LOVE 'EM! Amazon probably doesn't. Headroom headphone amps? DEVINE! Sennheiser HD580 (and HD435) headphones? I'd wager they rate more highly at my house (and in my studio) than on Amazon.

Dell Axim X51v? I'll bet it's nowhere to be found on Amazon. But one of the most popular tech sites on the net is a discussion group devoted to it. Antique Fisher tube receiver (Model 500c)? Almost certainly not on Amazon...but there it sits at my place. Drake SW8? WONDERFUL radio. Not on Amazon. Not even made anymore. But mine gets a lot of use.

I ain't countin' down the hits, so I literally don't give a crap what something rates on Amazon. How high do milk, bread, and eggs rate on Amazon? Not too high? Then they must be horribly unpopular. Yet there they sit in my refrigerator.

If you really believe the success (of failure) of everything depends upon it's Amazon or Google rankings, then I feel really sorry for you.

 

[Mike Walker]

Oh yes...everybody is lying except YOU, oh great and wonderful 700. A guy who has given inside information about the Sangean tuner, including what will be included on the forthcoming firmware update later this year, and has assisted many people on the site with his intimate knowledge of the product couldn't POSSIBLY be telling the truth.

All hail the great 700...keeper of all that is true and just.

 

[vsa]

I thought I'd do a casual product sales comparison. Even the Spirit of St. Louis 841-558 Retro Reel-to-Reel Media Center with CD Player, a nostalgic reel-to-reel recorder with full function CD/CD-R player, is ranked at #30,138 in sales rank at Amazon.com. The Sangean HDR-1 HD Radio®/AM/FM stereo radio trails the "Spirit of St. Louis" horribly, ranked at #58,625 in Electronics.

Perhaps HD radio sales can be boosted sharply with the simple addition of a reel-to-reel recorder?  ;D

 

[700WLW]

By the way...the world doesn't revolve around Amazon! Sangean sells direct. And then there are sales from the places radio geeks to to buy things...RADIO STORES like Universal Radio http://www.universal-radio.com

Not to mention general electronics retailers like J&R Music World. I DO buy things from Amazon.com (mostly BOOKS), but it wouldn't have occured to me to even look for something like this on Amazon!

Next you'll be judging the popularity of hubcaps and cookware by their Amazon ratings!

Another thing...unless you're Casey Kaesem what the hell difference does an item's rating have to do with whether it provides enjoyment? MANY, perhaps most of the things I enjoy most wouldn't rate that highly (I'm sure). Energy C3 speakers? WONDERFUL little devices. I'll bet they don't rate that highly. ART tube microphone preamps? I LOVE 'EM! Amazon probably doesn't. Headroom headphone amps? DEVINE! Sennheiser HD580 (and HD435) headphones? I'd wager they rate more highly at my house (and in my studio) than on Amazon.

Dell Axim X51v? I'll bet it's nowhere to be found on Amazon. But one of the most popular tech sites on the net is a discussion group devoted to it. Antique Fisher tube receiver (Model 500c)? Almost certainly not on Amazon...but there it sits at my place. Drake SW8? WONDERFUL radio. Not on Amazon. Not even made anymore. But mine gets a lot of use.

I ain't countin' down the hits, so I literally don't give a crap what something rates on Amazon. How high do milk, bread, and eggs rate on Amazon? Not too high? Then they must be horribly unpopular. Yet there they sit in my refrigerator.

If you really believe the success (of failure) of everything depends upon it's Amazon or Google rankings, then I feel really sorry for you.

What, you do not understand, is that conclusions about Google Trends and sales at Amazon, are based in relative-terms to other products, so we don't need exact numbers.