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My Sample Hour

A

AbacoDream

Guest
Hour One:

Don't Phunk With My Heart/Black Eyed Peas (the "Phunk" version!!)
Speed Of Sound/Coldplay
Sugar/Trick Daddy
You & Me/Lifehouse
In Da Club/50 Cent
These Words/Natasha Bedingfield
STOPSET
Hollaback Girl/Gwen Stefani
Axel F/Crazy Frog
Behind These Hazel Eyes/Kelly Clarkson
STOPSET
Let Me Go/3 Doors Down
Don't Cha/Pussycat Dolls
Holiday/Green Day
Yeah/Usher

Hour Two:

We Belong Together/Mariah Carey
Switch/Will Smith
Since U Been Gone/Kelly Clarkson
Just A Lil' Bit/50 Cent
Toxic/Britney Spears
Baby I'm Back/Baby Bash & Akon
STOPSET
Oh/Ciara
Just The Girl/Click 5
Don't Phunk With My Heart/Black Eyed Peas (the "Phunk" version!!)
STOPSET
Scars/Papa Roach
Get It Poppin'/Fat Joe
Behind These Hazel Eyes/Kelly Clarkson
Over & Over/Nelly

Thoughts?
 
Looks good.
Although I'm not a big fan of the Axel F song (though I do love Dance music) I will admit that it has Top 40 potential, as a novelty factor of course.

> Hour One:
>
> Don't Phunk With My Heart/Black Eyed Peas (the "Phunk"
> version!!)
> Speed Of Sound/Coldplay
> Sugar/Trick Daddy
> You & Me/Lifehouse
> In Da Club/50 Cent
> These Words/Natasha Bedingfield
> STOPSET
> Hollaback Girl/Gwen Stefani
> Axel F/Crazy Frog
> Behind These Hazel Eyes/Kelly Clarkson
> STOPSET
> Let Me Go/3 Doors Down
> Don't Cha/Pussycat Dolls
> Holiday/Green Day
> Yeah/Usher
>
> Hour Two:
>
> We Belong Together/Mariah Carey
> Switch/Will Smith
> Since U Been Gone/Kelly Clarkson
> Just A Lil' Bit/50 Cent
> Toxic/Britney Spears
> Baby I'm Back/Baby Bash & Akon
> STOPSET
> Oh/Ciara
> Just The Girl/Click 5
> Don't Phunk With My Heart/Black Eyed Peas (the "Phunk"
> version!!)
> STOPSET
> Scars/Papa Roach
> Get It Poppin'/Fat Joe
> Behind These Hazel Eyes/Kelly Clarkson
> Over & Over/Nelly
>
> Thoughts?
>
 
> Looks good. Although I'm not a big fan of the Axel F song (though I do
> love Dance music) I will admit that it has Top 40 potential,
> as a novelty factor of course.

Yeah...I have it in an "N" (or New) category. Plays every 5 hours for spice.
Total novelty...adds some tempo. I love reaction records and even though not many people (outside of Kiss/Malwaukee) are on it, I think it's a nice spice.
 
Not bad, you did a good job with keeping your genres apart. You kept your pop/rocks seperate; your urbans seperate, etc.

I was going to come down on you for putting Kelly Clarkson back to back with 3 Doors Down but you had them seperated by a stopset, so that kinda makes up for it! :)

Not bad, good flow.

Lose AXEL F though, not gonna do anything here in the states. (And don't use KISS Milwaukee as an example, they play ANYTHING.)

> Hour One:
>
> Don't Phunk With My Heart/Black Eyed Peas (the "Phunk"
> version!!)
> Speed Of Sound/Coldplay
> Sugar/Trick Daddy
> You & Me/Lifehouse
> In Da Club/50 Cent
> These Words/Natasha Bedingfield
> STOPSET
> Hollaback Girl/Gwen Stefani
> Axel F/Crazy Frog
> Behind These Hazel Eyes/Kelly Clarkson
> STOPSET
> Let Me Go/3 Doors Down
> Don't Cha/Pussycat Dolls
> Holiday/Green Day
> Yeah/Usher
>
> Hour Two:
>
> We Belong Together/Mariah Carey
> Switch/Will Smith
> Since U Been Gone/Kelly Clarkson
> Just A Lil' Bit/50 Cent
> Toxic/Britney Spears
> Baby I'm Back/Baby Bash & Akon
> STOPSET
> Oh/Ciara
> Just The Girl/Click 5
> Don't Phunk With My Heart/Black Eyed Peas (the "Phunk"
> version!!)
> STOPSET
> Scars/Papa Roach
> Get It Poppin'/Fat Joe
> Behind These Hazel Eyes/Kelly Clarkson
> Over & Over/Nelly
>
> Thoughts?
>
 
> Lose AXEL F though, not gonna do anything here in the
> states. (And don't use KISS Milwaukee as an example, they
> play ANYTHING.)

I figured that one would stick out like a sore thumb (much like the "BYOB"/System Of A Down I had on my list a few weeks ago). I'm a big fan of reaction spice titles. I doubt Kiss/Milwaukee is as lame as Q102/Philly, though!
 
> Hour One:
>
> Don't Phunk With My Heart/Black Eyed Peas (the "Phunk"
> version!!)
> Speed Of Sound/Coldplay
> Sugar/Trick Daddy
> You & Me/Lifehouse
> In Da Club/50 Cent
> These Words/Natasha Bedingfield


Speed of Sound into Sugar? Yuck.

> STOPSET
> Hollaback Girl/Gwen Stefani
> Axel F/Crazy Frog
> Behind These Hazel Eyes/Kelly Clarkson

Lose Axel F.

> STOPSET
> Let Me Go/3 Doors Down
> Don't Cha/Pussycat Dolls
> Holiday/Green Day
> Yeah/Usher

Break Green Day and 3DD up by more than one song... come out of the stopset with 3DD, go into the next with Green Day.

> Hour Two:
>
> We Belong Together/Mariah Carey
> Switch/Will Smith
> Since U Been Gone/Kelly Clarkson
> Just A Lil' Bit/50 Cent
> Toxic/Britney Spears
> Baby I'm Back/Baby Bash & Akon

Tempo issue, with Switch and SUBG back-to-back... flip SUBG and Just a Lil Bit and you'd be fine... a different gold would be needed in place of Britney, but there ya go.

> STOPSET
> Oh/Ciara
> Just The Girl/Click 5
> Don't Phunk With My Heart/Black Eyed Peas (the "Phunk"
> version!!)

If these are consecutive hours, that's a quick turnover for BEP. Click 5 is a stiff, get rid of it.

> STOPSET
> Scars/Papa Roach
> Get It Poppin'/Fat Joe
> Behind These Hazel Eyes/Kelly Clarkson
> Over & Over/Nelly


Artist separation issue... Remember, Nelly is a significant part of Get It Poppin'.

> Thoughts?


Needs some touch up work, but not all that bad, honestly.
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Afternoons / MD
WVZA / Marion - Carbondale, IL
www.kissfm927.com

Weekends / Swing
KSLZ / St. Louis
WAKZ / Youngstown, OH
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9AM Hour today for my KISS station:

ID
BEP- Don't Mess With My Heart (no choice on the Mess / Phunk question)
Papa Roach- Scars
Kelly Clarkson- Breakaway

*STOPSET*

Eminem- Encore
Gwen Stefani- Holla Back Girl
Howie Day- Collide
Baby Bash / Akon- Baby I'm Back

*STOPSET*

Lil Jon / Usher / Ludacris- Lovers and Friends
D.H.T.- Listen to Your Heart (Dance version)
Game / 50 Cent- How We Do
Outkast- Hey Ya
Mariah Carey- We Belong Together
50 Cent- Disco Inferno (Next to impossible to separate 50, at the moment)
Alicia Keys- Karma
Rihanna- Pon De Replay
Nelly- Country Grammar
Pussycat Dolls / Busta Rhymes- Don't Cha (Remix)
Beyonce / Lil Flip- Naughty Girl (Remix)


10AM Hour

ID
Kelly Clarkson- Behind These Hazel Eyes
Game / 50 Cent- Hate It or Love It
Ciara / Missy Elliott- 1, 2 Step

*STOPSET*

B2K- Uh Huh
Frankie J- Obsession
Missy Elliott / Ciara- Lose Control
Will Smith- Switch

*STOPSET*

Usher- Yeah!
Fat Joe / Nelly- Get It Poppin'
Simple Plan- Untitled
Nivea- Okay!
Killers- Mr. Brightside
50 Cent- Just a Lil Bit
Green Day- Boulevard of Broken Dreams
Montell Jordan- This is How We Do It
Usher / Alicia Keys- My Boo



4PM HOUR

ID
Gwen Stefani- Holla Back Girl
Game / 50 Cent- Hate It or Love It
Usher / Fabolous- Caught Up (Remix)

*STOPSET*

D.H.T.- Listen to Your Heart
50 Cent- Just a Lil Bit
Brooke Valentine- Girlfight
Mariah Carey- We Belong Together

*STOPSET*

Gavin DeGraw- Chariot
ODB / Kelis- Got Your Money
Kelly Clarkson- Behind These Hazel Eyes

*STOPSET*

J-Kwon- Tipsy
3 Doors Down- Let Me Go
Nina Sky- Move Ya Body
Crossfade- Cold (Acoustic mix)


5PM Hour

ID
Will Smith- Switch
Trick Daddy / Ludacris- Sugar
Baby Bash / Akon- Baby I'm Back

*STOPSET*

Mary J Blige- Family Affair
Frankie J- How to Deal
BEP- Don't Mess With My Heart
Ciara / Ludacris- Oh!

*STOPSET*

Destiny's Child- Soldier
Howie Day- Collide
Rihanna- Pon De Replay
Mario- Let Me Love You
Fat Joe / Nelly- Get It Poppin'
Gwen Stefani- Holla Back Girl
Usher- Burn
50 Cent / Mobb Deep- Outta Control
BEP- Hey Mama<P ID="signature">______________
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Afternoons / MD
WVZA / Marion - Carbondale, IL
www.kissfm927.com

Weekends / Swing
KSLZ / St. Louis
WAKZ / Youngstown, OH
</P>
 
> Speed of Sound into Sugar? Yuck.

What's wrong with that? Dreamy epic pop/rock into uptempo minor key pop/rap?

> Lose Axel F.

Like I said...I know it won't chart high, but for the station in my head, I dig it. It's a spice record.

> Break Green Day and 3DD up by more than one song... come out
> of the stopset with 3DD, go into the next with Green Day.

Huh? What's wrong with a one song separation. You're thinking too much like a PD and not enough like a listener.

> Tempo issue, with Switch and SUBG back-to-back... flip SUBG
> and Just a Lil Bit and you'd be fine... a different gold
> would be needed in place of Britney, but there ya go.

Tempo issue? What do you mean? "Switch" and "SUBG" are both uptempo.

> If these are consecutive hours, that's a quick turnover for
> BEP. Click 5 is a stiff, get rid of it.

Yup...1:30-1:45 for powers. I think Click 5 is a hit. Betcha it'll chart higher than "Energy". :)

> Artist separation issue... Remember, Nelly is a significant
> part of Get It Poppin'.

Ooh...Good call.

> Needs some touch up work, but not all that bad, honestly.

Thanks...;)
 
> BEP- Don't Mess With My Heart
> Papa Roach- Scars
> Kelly Clarkson- Breakaway

With "Scars" and "Breakaway" you have two guitar based songs back-to-back.
I'd come out of your legal ID with "Breakaway" or "Scars" (perferably, "Scars") and break it up with "Don't Phunk".

> Eminem- Encore
> Gwen Stefani- Holla Back Girl
> Howie Day- Collide
> Baby Bash / Akon- Baby I'm Back

Get rid of "Encore" and "Collide". Both are tune-outs.

> Lil Jon / Usher / Ludacris- Lovers and Friends
> D.H.T.- Listen to Your Heart (Dance version)
> Game / 50 Cent- How We Do
> Outkast- Hey Ya
> Mariah Carey- We Belong Together
> 50 Cent- Disco Inferno
> Alicia Keys- Karma
> Rihanna- Pon De Replay
> Nelly- Country Grammar
> Pussycat Dolls / Busta Rhymes- Don't Cha (Remix)
> Beyonce / Lil Flip- Naughty Girl (Remix)

I'd get rid of "Lovers & Friends" and "How We Do". Dead weight. Hope you're playing the "Superstition" remix of "Karma". "Karma" is turning out to be the "Roses" of 2005 (charted really high, died a quick death).

> B2K- Uh Huh
> Frankie J- Obsession
> Missy Elliott / Ciara- Lose Control
> Will Smith- Switch

B2K??? Nope...Doesnt work. And I really don't hear the Missy.

> Usher- Yeah!
> Fat Joe / Nelly- Get It Poppin'
> Simple Plan- Untitled
> Nivea- Okay!
> Killers- Mr. Brightside
> 50 Cent- Just a Lil Bit
> Green Day- Boulevard of Broken Dreams
> Montell Jordan- This is How We Do It
> Usher / Alicia Keys- My Boo

Usher into Fat Joe/Nelly is a bit loud, no? The Simple Plan is done. The Nivea never happened. With the Green Day into the Montell into My Boo (a recurrent into a Gold into a recurrent) you sound more like a CHR/Jack hybrid than a CHR.

> Gwen Stefani- Holla Back Girl
> Game / 50 Cent- Hate It or Love It
> Usher / Fabolous- Caught Up (Remix)

Good...Although one could argue that with "Hate It Or Love It" into "Caught Up" you have two recurrents in a row.

> D.H.T.- Listen to Your Heart
> 50 Cent- Just a Lil Bit
> Brooke Valentine- Girlfight
> Mariah Carey- We Belong Together

Ugh..."Girlfight" stinks.

> Gavin DeGraw- Chariot
> ODB / Kelis- Got Your Money
> Kelly Clarkson- Behind These Hazel Eyes

"Chariot" was a stiff...Not all songs need to graduate to recurrent. Some can be a solid B and then go straight into the rest category for good. There's too much good stuff out there to hang on to the mediocrities.

> J-Kwon- Tipsy
> 3 Doors Down- Let Me Go
> Nina Sky- Move Ya Body
> Crossfade- Cold (Acoustic mix)

Personally...I'd get rid of "Tipsy" and "Cold".

> Will Smith- Switch
> Trick Daddy / Ludacris- Sugar
> Baby Bash / Akon- Baby I'm Back

A pop or rock record would work wonders in there somewhere.

> Mary J Blige- Family Affair
> Frankie J- How to Deal
> BEP- Don't Mess With My Heart
> Ciara / Ludacris- Oh!

Again...all rhythm records and no non-rap pop or rock. All good records, though.
I've come 'round on the Frankie J. I don't like coming out of a stopset with Golds and non-hot recurrents.

> Destiny's Child- Soldier
> Howie Day- Collide
> Rihanna- Pon De Replay
> Mario- Let Me Love You
> Fat Joe / Nelly- Get It Poppin'
> Gwen Stefani- Holla Back Girl
> Usher- Burn
> 50 Cent / Mobb Deep- Outta Control
> BEP- Hey Mama

With "Soldier" into "Collide" you have two marginal non-passion records in a row. Is "Collide" really testing that well? I wouldn't play either. I have "Burn" and "Hey Mama" in temporary "rest" category. With the onslaught on Usher we've had in the past 18 months, I'd rest a majority of the Usher (with the exception of "Yeah" & "You Make Me Wanna", which are staples)
 
> > Lose AXEL F though, not gonna do anything here in the
> > states. (And don't use KISS Milwaukee as an example, they
> > play ANYTHING.)
>
> I figured that one would stick out like a sore thumb (much
> like the "BYOB"/System Of A Down I had on my list a few
> weeks ago). I'm a big fan of reaction spice titles. I doubt
> Kiss/Milwaukee is as lame as Q102/Philly, though


Kiss Milwaukee is mostly rhythmic/urban with the biggest rock hits thrown in. Sometimes we get songs way out of the ordinary.

Recent Examples:

Jimmy Fallon - Idiot Boyfriend (I don't think anybody else but MTV really played this. They had it in heavy rotation in fall-winter 2002/2003)

Widelife - All Things (I heard them playing the TV version mixed twice together for 1min a few times during August 2003. This was at the height of their heavy rhythmic lean. They later put the version that was released to radio on their new music challange feature and it failed,)

Catherine Zeta Jones - And All That Jazz (I heard this several times in summer 2003 embedded in between the hip hop. I don't know why they played it.)

DJ Otzi - Hamburger Dance (Same thing as Fast Food Rockers - Fast Food Song. They kept playing this around spring 2004)

Now we got Cowboy Troy - I Play Chicken With The Train and Crazy Frog - Axel F

Guess these strange songs make it just a tad bit more interesting.

The fact that they are PLAYING Axel F in some form is VERY interesting to me. When I was very little my mom used to always play Chicago's WLIT and they would play Harold Faltermeyers version and it would scare the crap out of me. Then I stopped hearing it until all the sudden in 1995 I heard it on the Milwaukee 103.7 when they were Soft AC WAMG. I got that scare again and finally I grew to like the wierd instrumental theme to Beverly Hills Cop. Never thought I would hear Axel F come out of 103.7 again.
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Speed of Sound into Sugar is still Hot AC title into Rap title... Okay, Rhythmic Crossover, if you will, but still a rap song. I highly doubt the same person that loves Speed of Sound is going to have that same love for Sugar.. I'm not saying you can't play them in the same sweep, I just wouldn't put them next to each other.


Switch and Since U Been Gone are both uptempo, yes... That's my point. Break them up by putting Just a Lil Bit between them and you've got a break from hyper pop.. Better balance, is all I'm saying.


3 DD and Green Day need more than one song's worth of separation because you're not accurately reflecting what your station "is" in a three song sweep, which is what a lot of programmers like to do. Again, this is a personal preference, but having those two songs so close to each other makes your sweep sound too rock based, which will cause your listener that is there for your rhythmic product to tune away... Hence the reason I suggested coming out with one of them and going into the next break with the other, in a four song sweep.



<P ID="signature">______________
Aaron Tyler
Afternoons / MD
WVZA / Marion - Carbondale, IL
www.kissfm927.com

Weekends / Swing
KSLZ / St. Louis
WAKZ / Youngstown, OH
</P>
 
> > BEP- Don't Mess With My Heart
> > Papa Roach- Scars
> > Kelly Clarkson- Breakaway
>
> With "Scars" and "Breakaway" you have two guitar based songs
> back-to-back.
> I'd come out of your legal ID with "Breakaway" or "Scars"
> (perferably, "Scars") and break it up with "Don't Phunk".


In that sweep, Scars is the "rock" song and Breakaway is the "pop" song... going with BEP as the "rhythmic." Balance.

>
> > Eminem- Encore
> > Gwen Stefani- Holla Back Girl
> > Howie Day- Collide
> > Baby Bash / Akon- Baby I'm Back
>
> Get rid of "Encore" and "Collide". Both are tune-outs.


Not here, Encore and Collide both test well in the region.


> > Lil Jon / Usher / Ludacris- Lovers and Friends
> > D.H.T.- Listen to Your Heart (Dance version)
> > Game / 50 Cent- How We Do
> > Outkast- Hey Ya
> > Mariah Carey- We Belong Together
> > 50 Cent- Disco Inferno
> > Alicia Keys- Karma
> > Rihanna- Pon De Replay
> > Nelly- Country Grammar
> > Pussycat Dolls / Busta Rhymes- Don't Cha (Remix)
> > Beyonce / Lil Flip- Naughty Girl (Remix)
>
> I'd get rid of "Lovers & Friends" and "How We Do". Dead
> weight. Hope you're playing the "Superstition" remix of
> "Karma". "Karma" is turning out to be the "Roses" of 2005
> (charted really high, died a quick death).


Again, Lovers and Friends still does well here... How We Do is hardly dead weight, it's one of the highest spun recurrents in the country. The Superstition remix actually did more the "Roses of 2005" that you described, not the album edit... Still, it's better than my competition, which is playing that awful reggaeton mix.

>
> > B2K- Uh Huh
> > Frankie J- Obsession
> > Missy Elliott / Ciara- Lose Control
> > Will Smith- Switch
>
> B2K??? Nope...Doesnt work. And I really don't hear the
> Missy.


B2K... Tests well for the region. Missy may or may not be a hit, granted. This is the first week out of the box for it on my station, so we're going to give it some time.

>
> > Usher- Yeah!
> > Fat Joe / Nelly- Get It Poppin'
> > Simple Plan- Untitled
> > Nivea- Okay!
> > Killers- Mr. Brightside
> > 50 Cent- Just a Lil Bit
> > Green Day- Boulevard of Broken Dreams
> > Montell Jordan- This is How We Do It
> > Usher / Alicia Keys- My Boo
>
> Usher into Fat Joe/Nelly is a bit loud, no? The Simple Plan
> is done. The Nivea never happened. With the Green Day into
> the Montell into My Boo (a recurrent into a Gold into a
> recurrent) you sound more like a CHR/Jack hybrid than a CHR.


Yeah! into Get It Poppin' is par for the course... We're a rhythmic leaning CHR with a limited amount of rock based product in the library... Listen to the two songs in your head... Yeah is aggressive and hyped up... Get It Poppin', while still a rap record, is more laid back and poppy.

Untitled has done very well for us, thus far, and is still a top requesting song with younger and older CHR audience alike... Nivea, see Yeah-Get It Poppin' above, as to why we're on it still... Montell and My Boo are both in drop positions at the end of the hour and would more than likely Resync out (I believe they did, actually.. I'd have to go back and look at the Prophet log).


> > Gwen Stefani- Holla Back Girl
> > Game / 50 Cent- Hate It or Love It
> > Usher / Fabolous- Caught Up (Remix)
>
> Good...Although one could argue that with "Hate It Or Love
> It" into "Caught Up" you have two recurrents in a row.


Hate It or Love It is still a current... some MDs treat it as a recurrent because they're already on "Dreams," which is the next track from the Game, but I am not playing that record yet.
>
> > D.H.T.- Listen to Your Heart
> > 50 Cent- Just a Lil Bit
> > Brooke Valentine- Girlfight
> > Mariah Carey- We Belong Together
>
> Ugh..."Girlfight" stinks.


Agreed, but it's still a top requesting record... People still love Lil Jon based records, despite his influence being all over the place lately.


>
> > Gavin DeGraw- Chariot
> > ODB / Kelis- Got Your Money
> > Kelly Clarkson- Behind These Hazel Eyes
>
> "Chariot" was a stiff...Not all songs need to graduate to
> recurrent. Some can be a solid B and then go straight into
> the rest category for good. There's too much good stuff out
> there to hang on to the mediocrities.


Chariot is still a current... and still makes sense for us to be playing with us participating in the "Stripped" promotion with Gavin on our website.

But, enlighten me... what other "good stuff" is out there that you think I'm missing for these "mediocrities?"


> > J-Kwon- Tipsy
> > 3 Doors Down- Let Me Go
> > Nina Sky- Move Ya Body
> > Crossfade- Cold (Acoustic mix)
>
> Personally...I'd get rid of "Tipsy" and "Cold".


Got something better for me to play instead of "Cold?" If not, sorry, it stays.


>
> > Will Smith- Switch
> > Trick Daddy / Ludacris- Sugar
> > Baby Bash / Akon- Baby I'm Back
>
> A pop or rock record would work wonders in there somewhere.


Will Smith isn't pop? You would NEVER hear that on an Urban station. Baby Bash / Akon isn't pop? Again, you would NEVER hear that on an Urban station.


> > Mary J Blige- Family Affair
> > Frankie J- How to Deal
> > BEP- Don't Mess With My Heart
> > Ciara / Ludacris- Oh!
>
> Again...all rhythm records and no non-rap pop or rock. All
> good records, though.
> I've come 'round on the Frankie J. I don't like coming out
> of a stopset with Golds and non-hot recurrents.


Frankie J... pop, see Will Smith and Baby Bash above. Why NOT come out with a gold? If you've got people tuning out when you hit a stopset, as proven by audience research, do you want to take a chance on that person not coming back to you in time to hear that power or sub-power, immediately out of the stopset? I don't... hence coming out with a gold.

>
> > Destiny's Child- Soldier
> > Howie Day- Collide
> > Rihanna- Pon De Replay
> > Mario- Let Me Love You
> > Fat Joe / Nelly- Get It Poppin'
> > Gwen Stefani- Holla Back Girl
> > Usher- Burn
> > 50 Cent / Mobb Deep- Outta Control
> > BEP- Hey Mama
>
> With "Soldier" into "Collide" you have two marginal
> non-passion records in a row. Is "Collide" really testing
> that well? I wouldn't play either. I have "Burn" and "Hey
> Mama" in temporary "rest" category. With the onslaught on
> Usher we've had in the past 18 months, I'd rest a majority
> of the Usher (with the exception of "Yeah" & "You Make Me
> Wanna", which are staples)


You and I disagree... that's all there is to it.
>
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Aaron Tyler
Afternoons / MD
WVZA / Marion - Carbondale, IL
www.kissfm927.com

Weekends / Swing
KSLZ / St. Louis
WAKZ / Youngstown, OH
</P>
 
> Speed of Sound into Sugar is still Hot AC title into Rap
> title... Okay, Rhythmic Crossover, if you will, but still a
> rap song.

Although the Coldplay is a big "Hot AC" record, it isnt soft or sleepy therefore, it works into (or out of) pop/rap titles--especially proven, familiar pop heavy ones like "Sugar". Kelly Clarkson is pretty Hot AC, but sounds fine into or out of rhythm records. Coldplay shouldn't be any different. It's the beauty of CHR. Plus...the Trick Daddy is essentially a remake of a Talking Heads song--"Sugar On My Tongue"--and is somewhat melodically dark, therefore it works out of Coldplay.

> I highly doubt the same person that loves Speed
> of Sound is going to have that same love for Sugar.. I'm not
> saying you can't play them in the same sweep, I just
> wouldn't put them next to each other.

That's a pretty broad statement, so I'd have to disagree. Have you seen the sales figures for the Coldplay CD? They are HUGE with 18-34F. I think that demo appreciates that kind of variety...more than what most CHR programmers give them credit for. Show me some concrete research that "Sugar" fans don't like "Speed Of Sound". That's like saying fans of "Mr. Brightside" don't like "Switch". I dont buy it.

> Switch and Since U Been Gone are both uptempo, yes... That's
> my point. Break them up by putting Just a Lil Bit between
> them and you've got a break from hyper pop.. Better balance,
> is all I'm saying.

If you put Will Smith into 50 Cent, you have two rhythm records in a row.
Why not break up the rhythm with a little pop/rock? Nothing wrong with two upbeat titles in a row. Two ballads...now, that's a different story.

> 3 DD and Green Day need more than one song's worth of
> separation because you're not accurately reflecting what
> your station "is" in a three song sweep, which is what a lot
> of programmers like to do. Again, this is a personal
> preference, but having those two songs so close to each
> other makes your sweep sound too rock based, which will
> cause your listener that is there for your rhythmic product
> to tune away... Hence the reason I suggested coming out with
> one of them and going into the next break with the other, in
> a four song sweep.

But the Pussycat Dolls song is so inherently pop-rhyhthmic that it would be more than difficult to confuse a listener into thinking they were listening to a rock based station. Remember...you're not hearing the processing, the imaging, the jocks and everything else that comprises the sound of the station. If I had put Kelly Clarkson in between 3DD and Green Day...that would be confusing. But "Don't Cha" (especially the version with the Busta rap) is so far removed from anything remotely "rock", I feel it's a fair balance.
 
> In that sweep, Scars is the "rock" song and Breakaway is the
> "pop" song... going with BEP as the "rhythmic." Balance.

"Scars" Guitar-based song
"Don't Phunk With My Heart" Rhythm song
"Breakaway" Guitar-based song

Better balance.

> Not here, Encore and Collide both test well in the region.

I betcha there are a half a dozen other *better* testing titles that you could play other than "Encore" or "Collide". You get judged on what you play, not what you don't play.

> Again, Lovers and Friends still does well here... How We Do
> is hardly dead weight, it's one of the highest spun
> recurrents in the country. The Superstition remix actually
> did more the "Roses of 2005" that you described, not the
> album edit... Still, it's better than my competition, which
> is playing that awful reggaeton mix.

With all the 50 Cent staples ("Candy Shop", "Hate It Or Love It", "Disco Inferno", "In Da Club"), "How We Do" just seems like dead weight to me. I'd get rid of it just to help out separation. The other titles are 10x stronger than "How We Do". Not sayin' "How We Do" was a stiff, just saying it's not nearly important as the other titles. You can still play enough 50 to be the "50 Station", y'know? Same with "Lovers & Friends". It was good for what it was at the time, but it's hardly a passion record now. The root word of "Contemporary" is "Temporary".

> B2K... Tests well for the region. Missy may or may not be a
> hit, granted. This is the first week out of the box for it
> on my station, so we're going to give it some time.

No way on the B2K. The best CHR/Mainstream stations are pop culture havens. B2K is SO 2002, it's not even funny. The song was a mega-stiff. That's like a CHR playing Hanson's "Where's The Love" during the height of N'Sync Mania. Nope...I'm not buying it.

> Untitled has done very well for us, thus far, and is still a
> top requesting song with younger and older CHR audience
> alike... Nivea, see Yeah-Get It Poppin' above, as to why
> we're on it still... Montell and My Boo are both in drop
> positions at the end of the hour and would more than likely
> Resync out (I believe they did, actually.. I'd have to go
> back and look at the Prophet log).

Fair enough...Honestly..."Untitled" is right in that grey area. I think a lot of CHR's are dropping it 'cuz it's such a downer and we're smack dab in summer (uptempo heaven). It's right on the cusp--to keep or to drop, that is the question.

> Hate It or Love It is still a current... some MDs treat it
> as a recurrent because they're already on "Dreams," which is
> the next track from the Game, but I am not playing that
> record yet.

"Dreams" will be a stiff. Those deep, message type rap records never do well.
"Hate It Or Love It" will be around for awhile...it's the sleeper hit of the year.

> Agreed, but it's still a top requesting record... People
> still love Lil Jon based records, despite his influence
> being all over the place lately.

I guess if you're rhythm leaning, it's cool. Who's your competition?

> Chariot is still a current... and still makes sense for us
> to be playing with us participating in the "Stripped"
> promotion with Gavin on our website.

Ah, yes...Clear Channel. Tell Marc Chase everytime you play "Chariot" (Stripped concert or no Stripped concert) you risk a huge chunk of your audience tuning out. Why not play the more familiar (and upbeat and higher tester) "I Don't Want To Be" instead?

> Got something better for me to play instead of "Cold?" If
> not, sorry, it stays.

"Speed Of Sound" by Coldplay.

Coldplay=most played video on MTV/MTV Hits/VH-1+huge CD million plus selling CD+critically acclaimed Live 8 appearance=more relevant than Crossfade.
Coldplay is exponentially a bigger record than Crossfade.

> Will Smith isn't pop? You would NEVER hear that on an Urban
> station. Baby Bash / Akon isn't pop? Again, you would
> NEVER hear that on an Urban station.

Radio isn't the CD department at Best Buy. You have three records with "rap" in them...in a row! Technically every song on your station is "pop" (short for "popular"). You should program based on sonics, not labels or category semantics.

> Why NOT come out with a gold? If you've got people tuning out
> when you hit a stopset, as proven by audience research, do
> you want to take a chance on that person not coming back to
> you in time to hear that power or sub-power, immediately out
> of the stopset? I don't... hence coming out with a gold.

You're going to make your listener wait around 3 to 5 minutes and pay them off with a gold (albeit a damn good one)?? NO songs on your playlist should be sub-power (other than new ones). A's, B's, recurents and golds should all be home runs. The song out of the stopset should scream what your station is Now...Not what your station was 4 years ago.

> You and I disagree... that's all there is to it.

We agree to disagree, that's all. Don't take it so personally. Only way to tell if either one of us has the better philosophy is to make us both PD's at competing stations and, of course, that'll never happen, so...
 
>
> 3 DD and Green Day need more than one song's worth of
> separation because you're not accurately reflecting what
> your station "is" in a three song sweep, which is what a lot
> of programmers like to do. Again, this is a personal
> preference, but having those two songs so close to each
> other makes your sweep sound too rock based, which will
> cause your listener that is there for your rhythmic product
> to tune away...

It might cause some listeners and more adults to tune in actually. A lot of Top 40 stations, including Clear Channel ones have no problems doing this.
Examples: Z-100 New york, Kiss 106.1 Seattle, 107.5 The River Nashville, 97.9 NCI Columbus, 107.9 The End Sacramento, 98.5 KRZ Wilkes Barre, Q-100 Atlanta, 104 KRBE Houston, XL 106.7 Orlando, Hot 99.5 Washington, etc.
Even your rival station 101.5 CIL, which has been in the business of Top 40 radio for ages, would do something like that.

Here's what Z-100 New York played in the first half of the 5 oclock hour yesterday:
05:33 PM LIFEHOUSE You And Me
You And Me [Single] (at amazon.com or ebay.com)
05:31 PM WILL SMITH Switch
Lost And Found (at amazon.com or ebay.com)
05:26 PM THE KILLERS Somebody Told Me
Somebody Told Me (at amazon.com or ebay.com)
05:23 PM THE PUSSYCAT DOLLS Don't Cha
Don't Cha [Single] (at amazon.com or ebay.com)
05:19 PM PAPA ROACH Scars
Getting Away With Murder (at amazon.com or ebay.com)
05:16 PM CHRISTINA AGUILERA Dirrty (w/ Redman)
Listen (at amazon.com or ebay.com)
05:12 PM SIMPLE PLAN Untitled (How Could This Happen To Me)
Still Not Getting Any... (at amazon.com or ebay.com)
05:08 PM SHAKIRA La Tortura (w/ Alejandro Sanz)
La Tortura [Single] (at amazon.com or ebay.com)
05:04 PM BRITNEY SPEARS Everytime
JMA New Releases 4-28-04 (at amazon.com or ebay.com)

Almost every other song there is Rock, and this is in peak afternoon drivetime!

I guess it's more common for CHRs to play more Rhythmic titles back to back at night, but in general a lot of CHRs will play 2 Rock hits almost back to back during the day.
 
>
> If you put Will Smith into 50 Cent, you have two rhythm
> records in a row.
> Why not break up the rhythm with a little pop/rock? Nothing
> wrong with two upbeat titles in a row. Two ballads...now,
> that's a different story.
>

Bingo! And they're both Rap records (even if most Urbans won't touch Will Smith these days). Playing one Hip Hop track into the next may work for stations like Z-107.7 St. Louis, 102.7 KIIS-FM L.A., or Channel 95.5 Detroit, but those stations are evolving into (or already are) Rhythmic CHRs.
 
>
> Kiss Milwaukee is mostly rhythmic/urban with the biggest
> rock hits thrown in.

Sounds like a lot of Large/Major Market CHRs. Kiss plays 5-6 current Rock hits in regular rotation. That's much better then what Z-107.7 St. Louis plays, and a hell of a lot better then Channel 95.5 Detroit, or KIIS-FM in L.A.:

http://www.mmr247.com/mmrweb/AllAccess/Stations.asp?c_let=KSLZ-FM
http://www.mmr247.com/mmrweb/AllAccess/Stations.asp?c_let=WKQI-FM
http://www.mmr247.com/mmrweb/AllAccess/Stations.asp?c_let=KIIS-FM
 
You certainly don't get CHR, do you? You are clearly missing the picture ENTIRELY.
>
> Although the Coldplay is a big "Hot AC" record, it isnt soft
> or sleepy therefore, it works into (or out of) pop/rap
> titles--especially proven, familiar pop heavy ones like
> "Sugar".

It's not 'sleepy' or 'soft' according to who? YOU? And you're who again to make these determinations for songs? What's considered "soft" and/or "sleepy" depends on your audience/demographic & the sound of your station. If you're a rhythmic leaning CHR (especially in markets like Cleveland), Coldplay IS considered just that (soft/sleepy) to your P1.

> Kelly Clarkson is pretty Hot AC, but sounds fine
> into or out of rhythm records. Coldplay shouldn't be any
> different.
Are you serious? Kelly Clarkson. HAC? Yeah and so is Jessica Simpson and every other white chick on CHR. You really don't know what you're talking about. You're programming a radio station -- not a jukebox.

> It's the beauty of CHR. Plus...the Trick Daddy is
> essentially a remake of a Talking Heads song--"Sugar On My
> Tongue"--and is somewhat melodically dark, therefore it
> works out of Coldplay.

Ummm...we don't need a "History Of" for every song -- as if you're trying to defend the reason behind it. Weren't YOU the one who claimed ATyler was "thinking like a PD, not a listener"? The listener doesn't care! You're sounding like a hypocrite.

> That's a pretty broad statement, so I'd have to disagree.
> Have you seen the sales figures for the Coldplay CD? They
> are HUGE with 18-34F.
So, how does that relate to YOUR particular market?

> I think that demo appreciates that
> kind of variety...more than what most CHR programmers give
> them credit for. Show me some concrete research that "Sugar"
> fans don't like "Speed Of Sound". That's like saying fans of
> "Mr. Brightside" don't like "Switch". I dont buy it.
Ummm...before you start asking for research, you need to start doing some of your own, too. You're seriously asking this question? Wow. Oh yeah, I'd cut down on the broad statements if I were you, as well.

> But the Pussycat Dolls song is so inherently pop-rhyhthmic
> that it would be more than difficult to confuse a listener
> into thinking they were listening to a rock based station.

> Remember...you're not hearing the processing, the imaging,
> the jocks and everything else that comprises the sound of
> the station.
The listener doesn't care about that (except the jocks). That's radio-geek speak.

> If I had put Kelly Clarkson in between 3DD and
> Green Day...that would be confusing.
Confusing HOW?

> But "Don't Cha"
> (especially the version with the Busta rap) is so far
> removed from anything remotely "rock", I feel it's a fair
> balance.

It doesn't matter if it's with or without the rap.

If you're going to post a playlist, then learn to accept critiques to it. Keep in mind, every market is different and is programmed accordingly. That might explain why you're probably not programming anywhere -- outside of your iPod. If you're going to sit here and tear into every critique because YOU don't agree with it, then why the hell are you even bothering. It's pretty stupid.
 
> "Scars" Guitar-based song
> "Don't Phunk With My Heart" Rhythm song
> "Breakaway" Guitar-based song
>
> Better balance.
That guitar must be a remix in your head. The listener doesn't give an ish if it's "guitar-based" or not. To the listener Papa Roach is ROCK and Kelly Clarkson is POP -- PERIOD! The fact that you are breaking this down and disqualifying Kelly Clarkson as a pop artist is freaking hysterical. You really don't know the music -- or the demo -- at all.

> I betcha there are a half a dozen other *better* testing
> titles that you could play other than "Encore" or "Collide".
> You get judged on what you play, not what you don't play.

Well, if those songs didn't tell well, they wouldn't be playing them, now would they? What tests well in your market won't necessarily test well in other markets. You really need to know the audience more -- you obviously haven't a clue who Howie Day is. THAT is a disservice to your core. Plus, it's being played a 9 in the morning!!!! Bueller? Bueller?

> With all the 50 Cent staples ("Candy Shop", "Hate It Or Love
> It", "Disco Inferno", "In Da Club"), "How We Do" just seems
> like dead weight to me.

It doesn't matter what YOU think!

> I'd get rid of it just to help out
> separation. The other titles are 10x stronger than "How We
> Do". Not sayin' "How We Do" was a stiff, just saying it's
> not nearly important as the other titles.

Maybe in your market. That's the great thing about market research and testing.

> Same with "Lovers
> & Friends". It was good for what it was at the time, but
> it's hardly a passion record now.

Show me consistent research that backs that up. I didn't think so.

> No way on the B2K. The best CHR/Mainstream stations are pop
> culture havens. B2K is SO 2002, it's not even funny. The
> song was a mega-stiff.
Umm...so was "Atomic Dog". And "It Takes Two". Neither of them peaked in the top 40 IIRC. But some CHR's still spike those in. So, because B2K is so "2002", anything 2002 and earlier is "dated" and shouldn't be played. That logic is just outright ridiculous.

> That's like a CHR playing Hanson's
> "Where's The Love" during the height of N'Sync Mania.
> Nope...I'm not buying it.

Again, MARKET RESEARCH AND TESTING! "Where's the Love" was only a couple of years old at the height of N'Sync mania. Last weekend, I heard WNCI, one of the most respected CHR's in the country, playing Pink's "Family Portrait". That song was a stiff, but it obviously tests well for their demo. You really, really need to know what you're talking about because it doesn't matter if you "don't buy it." Look at what your audience tells you.

> Fair enough...Honestly..."Untitled" is right in that grey
> area. I think a lot of CHR's are dropping it 'cuz it's such
> a downer and we're smack dab in summer (uptempo heaven).
> It's right on the cusp--to keep or to drop, that is the
> question.

The song was perfect (no pun intended) for the time it was released -- prom and graduation season.

> "Dreams" will be a stiff. Those deep, message type rap
> records never do well.

Oh really? Almost every rap record has a "message" in it -- and some are deep, too! And have done really well.

> I guess if you're rhythm leaning, it's cool. Who's your
> competition?

Maybe if you looked up his market and the demographics, you'd know.

> Ah, yes...Clear Channel. Tell Marc Chase everytime you play
> "Chariot" (Stripped concert or no Stripped concert) you risk
> a huge chunk of your audience tuning out. Why not play the
> more familiar (and upbeat and higher tester) "I Don't Want
> To Be" instead?

Umm...what's that about? What does working for Clear Channel have to do with any of this? The fact is, Clear Channel stations do their own research and testing for their own markets. There is no corporate add/drop list or playlist. Unlike...oh, I dunno....CUMULUS!

> "Speed Of Sound" by Coldplay.

Are you trying to get back stage passes or a Meet-N-Greet or something? You keep plugging this song. I've heard better.

> Coldplay=most played video on MTV/MTV Hits/VH-1+huge CD
> million plus selling CD+critically acclaimed Live 8
> appearance=more relevant than Crossfade.
> Coldplay is exponentially a bigger record than Crossfade.

Umm...Colplay is more established the Crossfade. Doesn't mean they deserve to be brushed off. Using MTV and VH1 is a nice gauge, but nothing more! You're not programming a national audience.

> Radio isn't the CD department at Best Buy.

And radio isn't supposed to be programmed to YOUR PERSONAL likes/dislikes -- which is exactly what you're doing. You're in absolutely no position to tell anyone what radio is or isn't.

> You have three
> records with "rap" in them...in a row! Technically every
> song on your station is "pop" (short for "popular"). You
> should program based on sonics, not labels or category
> semantics.

Will Smith is NOT considered rap. This is not 1988. Period. Maybe to a 45 year old she is, but that's not your core.

> You're going to make your listener wait around 3 to 5
> minutes and pay them off with a gold (albeit a damn good
> one)??

Why not? If they like it, then they'll stay. Good Lord...this isn't rocket science, but yet this is sooo difficult for you to comprehend. You really just don't get it. At all!

> NO songs on your playlist should be sub-power (other
> than new ones). A's, B's, recurents and golds should all be
> home runs. The song out of the stopset should scream what
> your station is Now...Not what your station was 4 years ago.

Says who? Ok, I'll call it: bullsh*t! Why would you want to play an "A" out of a stopset when many people *might* not hear it. A valid argument can be made both ways (and save your keystrokes and don't try to argue with me as if your reasoning is better).

> We agree to disagree, that's all. Don't take it so
> personally. Only way to tell if either one of us has the
> better philosophy is to make us both PD's at competing
> stations and, of course, that'll never happen, so...

Nothing personal, but your clock would be cleaned in a TREND!
 
> It's not 'sleepy' or 'soft' according to who? YOU? And
> you're who again to make these determinations for songs?
> What's considered "soft" and/or "sleepy" depends on your
> audience/demographic & the sound of your station. If you're
> a rhythmic leaning CHR (especially in markets like
> Cleveland), Coldplay IS considered just that (soft/sleepy)
> to your P1.

Are you saying that Coldplay doesn't work out of or into "Sugar"? Does Coldplay work into or out of ANY rhythmic music? Does Coldplay NOT work on CHR/Mainstream...at all? If so, why is it #27 on the CHR/Mainstream chart?
"Speed Of Sound" is no more "sleepy" than "Beautiful Day" by U2 or "Crash Into Me" by Dave Matthews--two songs that worked (and researched/tested) VERY well alongside the "hip-hop" of the day 5-10 years ago.

> > Kelly Clarkson is pretty Hot AC, but sounds fine
> > into or out of rhythm records. Coldplay shouldn't be any
> > different.
> Are you serious? Kelly Clarkson. HAC? Yeah and so is
> Jessica Simpson and every other white chick on CHR. You
> really don't know what you're talking about. You're
> programming a radio station -- not a jukebox.

Coldplay is no more "Hot AC" than Kelly Clarkson? Kelly Clarkson does better on the Hot AC chart than Coldplay. Why is Coldplay labeled as a "Hot AC" band? Just because the majority of CHR programmers don't feel Coldplay is a viable CHR add, they're labeled a "Hot AC" band, by default. C'mon...

> Ummm...we don't need a "History Of" for every song -- as if
> you're trying to defend the reason behind it. Weren't YOU
> the one who claimed ATyler was "thinking like a PD, not a
> listener"? The listener doesn't care! You're sounding like
> a hypocrite.

Wasn't giving you a history lesson. A Tyler said "Sugar" out of "Speed Of Sound" doesn't work. I say it does and I gave a reason (based on musicality and timbre) WHY it works...and you say I don't get it??

> The listener doesn't care about that. That's radio-geek
> speak. The processing is pretty much irrelevant.

Really? Of course, when asked, listeners don't know what "processing" is...but if it's so "irrelevant", why do some stations spend THOUSANDS of dollars to differentiate themselves from the competition through better/different audio processing?? A badly processed radio station with a better playlist will beat an aggressively processed radio station with a crappy playlist everytime, that's true. But, put two equally strong playlists back to back and guess which one will win? The better SOUNDING station. The way a station SOUNDS is what's most important. SMART programmers know this is true. You apparently dont. It's in the details, my friend.

> If you're going to post a playlist, then learn to accept
> critiques to it. Keep in mind, every market is different
> and is programmed accordingly. That might explain why
> you're probably not programming anywhere -- outside of your
> iPod. If you're going to sit here and tear into every
> critique because YOU don't agree with it, then why the hell
> are you even bothering. It's pretty stupid.

Are YOU programming?? Are YOU willing to submit a sample hour or two?? If so, are YOU willing to accept critiques? Go 'head...let's see your work, Picasso.
 
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