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my64 Cicninnati

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robmadden1

I have a protable tv and I notcie a big delay and some diffrent commercials from the over the air singnal to whats comming off my Time Warner cable. Tonight with Will & Grace rerun thier is a big 5 to 10 second delay from whats on the over the air signal. I wonder why this is?

When they had theTime warner commerical on the channel the adds were diffrent on the cable then what was being shown on the over the air signal. I find that strange.
 
robmadden1 said:
I have a protable tv and I notcie a big delay and some diffrent commercials from the over the air singnal to whats comming off my Time Warner cable.
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Probably has something to do with transmitting the signal from WSTR's studio to the headend via fiber -- since it involves equipment translating the signal from digital to analog, the signal gets delayed in the process.

robmadden1 said:
When they had theTime warner commerical on the channel the adds were diffrent on the cable then what was being shown on the over the air signal. I find that strange.
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I think that's also illegal -- the insertion of ads by the cable company over ads on a broadcasting station (WSTR, in this case) is illegal by FCC rules.
 
No, sorry, it is not illegal. This is common practice for anyone who has cable TV and even one of the Satellite TV providers. The cable providers are govered as if they were affiliates, and cable companies reserved the right to run any ads they want over anything the cable networks run, so long as they do not cover up programming. These are sometimes called promo-swaps.
 
Garrett said:
The cable providers are govered as if they were affiliates, and cable companies reserved the right to run any ads they want over anything the cable networks run, so long as they do not cover up programming. These are sometimes called promo-swaps.
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However, it is legal if they were a channel available only on cable or satellite, such as CNN or ESPN. But since we're dealing with a station that is available over the air with an antenna and is licensed by the FCC (such as, of course, WSTR), that's where it's illegal to cover ads on local broadcast stations.

Unless the rules changed recently that actually made this legal.
 
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azumanga said:
robmadden1 said:
I have a protable tv and I notcie a big delay and some diffrent commercials from the over the air singnal to whats comming off my Time Warner cable.
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Probably has something to do with transmitting the signal from WSTR's studio to the headend via fiber -- since it involves equipment translating the signal from digital to analog, the signal gets delayed in the process.
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If you have digital cable, your cable company may be doing digital simulcasting, where all of the channels (local, basic, and digital-only) are sent to the digital boxes 100% digitally, while sending the signals in analog fashion for cable-ready devices. There is a 5-10 second delay on the digital signal due to the digital encoding and decoding processes.

Cable companies do have crossed-wire issues often. It is not uncommon to see video from the religious channel on the PBS station with the audio from the PBS station, or porn on the Cartoon Network.

No, sorry, it is not illegal. This is common practice for anyone who has cable TV and even one of the Satellite TV providers. The cable providers are govered as if they were affiliates, and cable companies reserved the right to run any ads they want over anything the cable networks run, so long as they do not cover up programming. These are sometimes called promo-swaps.
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It is called ad insertion. Most of the major cable channels allow local ads, but broadcast stations generally don't. The cable networks control when the ad-insertion equipment is activated, and it cannot be activated at the cable companies whim. Generally, the cable companies get 2-4 minutes per hour. Unless the cable network or local station says so in it's agreement, the cable company cannot interfer with the signal in any form whatsoever. I am sure that cable companies would love to censor ads from AT&T, DirecTV, or other competiton. If a cable company does unauthorized ad insertion, they can be fined and/or sued.

WALB in Albany, GA had a deal with the cable system in Valdosta to run seperate ad and news inserts into WALB's cable signal. I don't know how the profits were split. This kind of thing is highly unusual.
 
Some cable companies have ad sales agreement with broadcast stations that allow the cable company to insert advertising.

For example, Cox in Phoenix has an agreement to sell local advertising for the market's (low power) Azteca America affiliate (KPDF-LP). Everyone watching KPDF - regardless of whether it's on Cox cable, another cable system, DirecTV, or over-the-air on Channel 41 - sees the same commercials.

Perhaps MY64 in Cincinnati has a similar agreement, although it sounds like commercials sold by Time Warner can be seen only in Time Warner homes - and perhaps any other cable system(s) with which Time Warner has an agreement.
 
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