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Myron Baloney Update

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skyeye

Radio Equalizer continues to flog the possible flip of WLIB, New York, where Air America currently has an LMA. Today Maloney is ranting about how Air America has not told employees:
_________________________
"Especially to out-of-the-loop staffers, just how was Air America Radio planning to break news of its flagship New York City station's impending departure?

We're hearing some interesting theories: to either wait until another station had been secured, or simply hope for an extension to remain on WLIB-AM and say nothing.

With that first possibility, wherever they do land will be a major step downward, cushioning the blow only slightly. And a real longshot gamble would have been that second approach."
___________________________

What Maloney leaves out is: WLIB is fully automated. Except for two legacy shows from Inner City Broadcasting on Sunday morning, and outside traffic reports recorded and fed from Philadelphia, the station has no local programming. What WLIB employees are there to leave out of the "loop?"

Maloney also alleges Air America representatives were "laying low" at this weekend's R and R talk radio seminar. Maloney wasn't there but he says somebody told him he had not seen anybody from Air America.

In other news, Radio Equalizer (pot) calls Media Matters (kettle) black accusing it of being "inaccurate" and "harassing" poor Bill O'Reilly (who really should keep Maloney on a PR retainer).

Just 29 days until we see whether Maloney gets egg on his face. More importantly, 32 days until opening day.
 
> Radio Equalizer continues to flog the possible flip of WLIB,
> What Maloney leaves out is: WLIB is fully automated. Except
> for two legacy shows from Inner City Broadcasting on Sunday
> morning, and outside traffic reports recorded and fed from
> Philadelphia, the station has no local programming. What
> WLIB employees are there to leave out of the "loop?"

I have no idea of the veracity of Brian's item, but WLIB does have a local sales staff managed by the Air America folks...headed by a local GSM hired by Air America.

-OA<P ID="signature">______________
Ohio Media Watch - <a target="_blank" href=http://ohiomedia.blogspot.com>http://ohiomedia.blogspot.com</a></P>
 
> WLIB does have a local sales staff

You could have fooled me.

The only non-PSA local spots I remember hearing in recent months have been in the Traffic.com slots.

Every other non-PSA spot I hear is (Jones) network.<P ID="signature">______________
also known as tombetz.</P>
 
> What Maloney leaves out is: WLIB is fully automated. Except
> for two legacy shows from Inner City Broadcasting on Sunday
> morning, and outside traffic reports recorded and fed from
> Philadelphia, the station has no local programming. What
> WLIB employees are there to leave out of the "loop?"

Doesn't Gary Byrd do a local talk show from midnight to 5 am? And what gives you the idea that the traffic reports are "recorded?" They sound live and up to date to me.
 
> The only non-PSA local spots I remember hearing in recent
> months have been in the Traffic.com slots.
>
> Every other non-PSA spot I hear is (Jones) network.

Are you listening to the broadcast signal at 1190 AM, or on the Internet? You can't judge it online, as they could be covering spots.

They most definitely hired a local sales manager a few months or so ago. That doesn't mean they're selling spots hand over fist, but they'd be your local AAR-employed folks.

-OA<P ID="signature">______________
Ohio Media Watch - <a target="_blank" href=http://ohiomedia.blogspot.com>http://ohiomedia.blogspot.com</a></P>
 
WLIB, and Response to Radio Equalizer from AAR

> Doesn't Gary Byrd do a local talk show from midnight to 5
> am?

There are two operations we're talking about here. Gary Byrd isn't an employee of the AAR-side of WLIB...he works for Inner City Broadcasting, the station owner. AAR's LMA does not cover overnights and a small number of weekend hours. As far as I know, AAR controls programming 5 AM to 12 midnight, the last two hours of that time now being taken by ABC's "Satellite Sisters".

What remains to be seen: what happens if there's a new LMA partner taking over from AAR...and if they'd LMA the hours not taken by AAR right now.

Here's the official response from Air America, reported today on AllAccess:

------------

In response to MALONEY's report, AIR AMERICA RADIO spokeswoman JAIME HOOD told ALL ACCESS that “it is business as usual at AIR AMERICA RADIO, we will not, nor have we ever discussed, our confidential negotiations with third party companies, investors, or others in a public forum. We have no plans of leaving the NEW YORK CITY airwaves and plan to be on in NEW YORK for many years to come.”

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Interesting. What you don't read there is - "we are staying on 1190/WLIB".

-OA<P ID="signature">______________
Ohio Media Watch - <a target="_blank" href=http://ohiomedia.blogspot.com>http://ohiomedia.blogspot.com</a></P>
 
Re: Traffic Update

The real tip-off is when there is some kind of glitch and WLIB repeats the same report several times.

It's been pointed out here and elsewhere before. When Air America launched with LMAs in New York, Chicago and LA, they decided to feed traffic reports to all cities from a company called Mobility Technologies (now Traffic.com) in Philadelphia (one announcer would upload all the reports). They quickly lost Chicago and LA but continue to feed traffic reports from Philly for WLIB. WLIB is completely automated, so reportedly Philadelphia is required to upload the traffic reports on mp3 files at least 10 minutes before scheduled air times. Announcers in Philadelphia get traffic information off the web. Clear Channel stations in New York use CC's Total Traffic. Otherwise, close to 50 stations in the tri-state area use Metro Network's Shadow Traffic with local-live announcers, highway cameras, a fleet of road units and aircraft.

According to its website, Traffic.com uses sensors it has installed along a limited number of New York highways under contract to New York state (it has none in New Jersey, Long Island, Westchester and Connecticut. Unlike Metro with its cameras, where announcers describe the back up and the cause, the announcers feeding WLIB like to rattle off statistics from the sensors and tend to focus on the roads with sensors. The sensor data is on the Traffic.com website and it looks like various sensors regularly go down. Otherwise, Traffic.com gets information from Transcom (trips123.com), an agency which collects traffic info for various DOTs and bridge-tunnel authorities in the region.

Apparently, Traffic.com has good computer generated maps and graphics and CBS/UPN subscribe in order to use their maps on TV traffic reports but continue to take traffic info from co-owned Shadow Traffic.

It appears pay to play drives stations' decisions to select a traffic service. The traffic service sells spots in the traffic reports (and may have other avails, as well). A service with a large number of client stations can put together a nice package for advertisers. Some (non-talk format) stations do traffic reports only because they are offered "incentives." As someone pointed out elsewhere in this thread, traffic reports appear to include the only local ads on WLIB.


> And what gives you the idea that the traffic reports
> are "recorded?" They sound live and up to date to me.
>
 
Re: Traffic Update

> WLIB is completely
> automated, so reportedly Philadelphia is required to upload
> the traffic reports on mp3 files at least 10 minutes before
> scheduled air times. Announcers in Philadelphia get traffic
> information off the web. Clear Channel stations in New York
> use CC's Total Traffic. Otherwise, close to 50 stations in
> the tri-state area use Metro Network's Shadow Traffic with
> local-live announcers, highway cameras, a fleet of road
> units and aircraft.
>
> According to its website, Traffic.com uses sensors it has
> installed along a limited number of New York highways under
> contract to New York state

Huh? If WLIB is "completely automated" why would it need mp3 files "at least 10 minutes before scheduled air times?" That makes absolutely no sense. And according to traffic.com your description of where it gets its information is incomplete, to say the least.

We get our information from three types of sources: digital traffic sensors, commercial and government partners, and our traffic operations center staff members. Our own network of sensors is already deployed in many major metropolitan areas, and is rapidly expanding to additional cities. Where local or state government agencies have available data from their sensors or systems, we integrate as much of that data as possible as well. Finally, we maintain traffic operations centers for each of the cities we serve, staffed with employees who consistently monitor traffic conditions.

The traffic operations staff use a variety of means (such as listening to police and fire scanners, monitoring traffic cameras, driving cars, and flying helicopters or fixed wing aircraft) to collect information and enter into our systems. All of the information we obtain from these varied sources is combined together to provide you with the most complete, accurate, and timely traffic information possible.
 
Re: WLIB, and Response to Radio Equalizer from AAR

So that just about confirms what the true beleivers have been thinking: that AAR will drop WLIB (or viice versa) as soon as the LMA runs out. The fact that Maloney thinks he has broken this story is absolutely nuts. The writing has been on the wall for over a year. Where they land is the only question mark, and the expectation that it will be a step down from WLIB's signal, as Maloney thinks, is not a given. He'll call anything short of WOR a loss no doubt. I bet they find someone at or near the same strength (for example lower on the dial with a lower wattage, Maloney would spin that as a step down even if the coverage is the same or better).

> > Doesn't Gary Byrd do a local talk show from midnight to 5
> > am?
>
> There are two operations we're talking about here. Gary
> Byrd isn't an employee of the AAR-side of WLIB...he works
> for Inner City Broadcasting, the station owner. AAR's LMA
> does not cover overnights and a small number of weekend
> hours. As far as I know, AAR controls programming 5 AM to
> 12 midnight, the last two hours of that time now being taken
> by ABC's "Satellite Sisters".
>
> What remains to be seen: what happens if there's a new LMA
> partner taking over from AAR...and if they'd LMA the hours
> not taken by AAR right now.
>
> Here's the official response from Air America, reported
> today on AllAccess:
>
> ------------
>
> In response to MALONEY's report, AIR AMERICA RADIO
> spokeswoman JAIME HOOD told ALL ACCESS that “it is business
> as usual at AIR AMERICA RADIO, we will not, nor have we ever
> discussed, our confidential negotiations with third party
> companies, investors, or others in a public forum. We have
> no plans of leaving the NEW YORK CITY airwaves and plan to
> be on in NEW YORK for many years to come.”
>
> -------------
>
> Interesting. What you don't read there is - "we are staying
> on 1190/WLIB".
>
> -OA
>
 
Re: Traffic Update

>
> Huh? If WLIB is "completely automated" why would it need
> mp3 files "at least 10 minutes before scheduled air times?"
> That makes absolutely no sense. And according to
> traffic.com you're wrong about where traffic.com gets its
> information:

From what I have read, that is what Air America asked for. Maybe the mp3 file has to be emailed to Air America and then transferred into the WLIB local automation computer. It may because breaks during the half hour are not fixed and hosts sometimes do the breaks early. Even on the hour and the half hour, I've heard them do the traffic reports first thing. When that's happened on the hour, they've wiped out the news, done traffic and then run the same spots two or three times. Again, this could be an automation issue. Maybe somebody's compulsive. But it's what they seem to want. It does not have to make sense. This is radio.

>
> We get our information from three types of sources: digital
> traffic sensors, commercial and government partners, and our
> traffic operations center staff members. Our own network of
> sensors is already deployed in many major metropolitan
> areas, and is rapidly expanding to additional cities. Where
> local or state government agencies have available data from
> their sensors or systems, we integrate as much of that data
> as possible as well. Finally, we maintain traffic operations
> centers for each of the cities we serve, staffed with
> employees who consistently monitor traffic conditions.
>
> The traffic operations staff use a variety of means (such as
> listening to police and fire scanners, monitoring traffic
> cameras, driving cars, and flying helicopters or fixed wing
> aircraft) to collect information and enter into our systems.
> All of the information we obtain from these varied sources
> is combined together to provide you with the most complete,
> accurate, and timely traffic information possible.
>


This has all been posted on the New York board before. Yes, they do use sensors and government agencies (Transcom). They do have a part-time operations center in North Jersey which operates when their TV clients are doing traffic, and this center does put information on their website which the announcers in Philly use. At other times, the website is maintained by editors in Philadelphia. I understand their operations are more extensive in some other markets where they have more clients.

You are right that it makes no sense from a programming viewpoint or from a quality viewpoint. It does make sense from a pay to play viewpoint and from a cost-cutting viewpoint. This is not much different than Clear Channel closing down local news operations and feeding local newscasts from "hub" newsrooms in other cities. It does explain why they report the huge jam after you've been in it for a half hour, and why they keep talking about it after it's been cleared.

This is all moot any way if Alta/Michaels take over WLIB.
 
Re: WLIB, and Response to Radio Equalizer from AAR

> So that just about confirms what the true beleivers have
> been thinking: that AAR will drop WLIB (or viice versa) as
> soon as the LMA runs out. The fact that Maloney thinks he
> has broken this story is absolutely nuts. The writing has
> been on the wall for over a year. Where they land is the
> only question mark, and the expectation that it will be a
> step down from WLIB's signal, as Maloney thinks, is not a
> given. He'll call anything short of WOR a loss no doubt. I
> bet they find someone at or near the same strength (for
> example lower on the dial with a lower wattage, Maloney
> would spin that as a step down even if the coverage is the
> same or better).
>

Well, I'm still betting Alta and Michaels will continue libtalk on WLIB but some Air America programs would not have a chair when the music stops. WLIB would end up with a schedule like the Clear Channel libtalkers, with Ed, maybe Stephanie and possibly a local show in morning drive.

But if not, what is available in New York with a comparable signal?

WMCA? Salem paid religion. They are doing God's work. They won't flip and they won't let go.
WFAN? CBS Radio Sportstalk. Making money.
WOR? Buckley. They seem to be heading toward more lifestyle, advice talk. Air America might pay to play to get some programs cleared.
WABC? Citadel News-talk. In somebody's dreams.
WCBS? CBS Radio News See below.
WPAT? Brokered foreign language. Multicultural Radio Broadcasting. As I recall (check me on this) they are the people Air America had brief LMA's in Chicago and LA. The company's credit may not be too good. Signal not good North of the City.
WWDJ? Salem again.
WINS? CBS Radio All-News. Maybe a slight chance CBS Radio figures they could combine two news stations into one, and flip the other to libtalk. Don't hold your breath.
WBBR? Bloomberg Business News. The Mayor uses it to promote his name and his financial news service. Libtalk might make sense but he won't go for it.
WQEW? Disney has it locked up.
WWRL? Urban Talk. ICBC took flack for dropping their old format for White liberals. Doing OK with their target market. Station might be persuaded to clear one or two AA shows but probably won't flip.

Even with reported donations, Air America does not have enough money to buy another station. Another LMA does not make financial sense and the current management has dropped this approach with good reason (except for continuing the existing LMA in New York). Their only shot is to get an affiliate. Air America's ratings and sales performance in New York does limit their options, even with pay to play. If they can't get one affiliate, they might be able to get programs cleared on different stations (for example one or two programs on WOR and one or two on WWRL), although possibly delayed until the evening. They might also pick up some "best of" clearances on the weekends. But then delayed or "best of" is how Rush started in many markets. Just depends on how flexible they are willing to be.
 
Re: Traffic Update

In other words, you really don't know anything beyond what you've read from some anonymous anti-AAR poster on a message board who probably gets his misinformation from Brian Baloney. My point was that it's virtually impossible for WLIB to be both "fully automated" and to require that traffic reports be submitted on mp3 ten minutes before they air. And of course Gary Byrd would quarrel with the "fully" automated" description since he's live every night.


> From what I have read, that is what Air America asked for.
> Maybe the mp3 file has to be emailed to Air America and then
> transferred into the WLIB local automation computer. It may
> because breaks during the half hour are not fixed and hosts
> sometimes do the breaks early. Even on the hour and the
> half hour, I've heard them do the traffic reports first
> thing. When that's happened on the hour, they've wiped out
> the news, done traffic and then run the same spots two or
> three times. Again, this could be an automation issue.
> Maybe somebody's compulsive. But it's what they seem to
> want. It does not have to make sense. This is radio.
>
> >
> > We get our information from three types of sources:
> digital
> > traffic sensors, commercial and government partners, and
> our
> > traffic operations center staff members. Our own network
> of
> > sensors is already deployed in many major metropolitan
> > areas, and is rapidly expanding to additional cities.
> Where
> > local or state government agencies have available data
> from
> > their sensors or systems, we integrate as much of that
> data
> > as possible as well. Finally, we maintain traffic
> operations
> > centers for each of the cities we serve, staffed with
> > employees who consistently monitor traffic conditions.
> >
> > The traffic operations staff use a variety of means (such
> as
> > listening to police and fire scanners, monitoring traffic
> > cameras, driving cars, and flying helicopters or fixed
> wing
> > aircraft) to collect information and enter into our
> systems.
> > All of the information we obtain from these varied sources
>
> > is combined together to provide you with the most
> complete,
> > accurate, and timely traffic information possible.
> >
>
>
> This has all been posted on the New York board before. Yes,
> they do use sensors and government agencies (Transcom).
> They do have a part-time operations center in North Jersey
> which operates when their TV clients are doing traffic, and
> this center does put information on their website which the
> announcers in Philly use. At other times, the website is
> maintained by editors in Philadelphia. I understand their
> operations are more extensive in some other markets where
> they have more clients.
>
> You are right that it makes no sense from a programming
> viewpoint or from a quality viewpoint. It does make sense
> from a pay to play viewpoint and from a cost-cutting
> viewpoint. This is not much different than Clear Channel
> closing down local news operations and feeding local
> newscasts from "hub" newsrooms in other cities. It does
> explain why they report the huge jam after you've been in it
> for a half hour, and why they keep talking about it after
> it's been cleared.
>
> This is all moot any way if Alta/Michaels take over WLIB.
>
 
Re: Traffic Update

Your loyalty is admirable.

Possibly you missed Old Akronite's earlier post:
_______________
There are two operations we're talking about here. Gary Byrd isn't an employee of the AAR-side of WLIB...he works for Inner City Broadcasting, the station owner. AAR's LMA does not cover overnights and a small number of weekend hours. As far as I know, AAR controls programming 5 AM to 12 midnight, the last two hours of that time now being taken by ABC's "Satellite Sisters".
_______________

I mentioned that this information had been posted earlier and discussed before. I personally know this information is accurate from other sources. What you believe or disbelieve is your business. You apparently are not willing to accept what I posted because it "does not make sense" to require recorded traffic reports to be uploaded in advance. If you've worked in radio for any length of time (or most other fields)you must have some experiences when station policies, practices and procedures did not make sense and when bosses or customers made demands which did not make sense.

In radio, as in any other area of show business, sales, marketing or merchandising, illusion is more important than substance. The radio mindset is that it's more important for the listener to think we do traffic than to do traffic well. Besides, the key consideration is the money the station gets for running the traffic reports anyway.
 
Re: WLIB, and Response to Radio Equalizer from AAR

This all comes down to what a number of us have been trying to say.....

IT IS THE BUSINESS MODEL!

Salem has some stations locked up as their business model is working. (no I dont listen to Salem stations).

Now AAR may find themselves with out a ball to play with. It has always been the business model.


> > So that just about confirms what the true beleivers have
> > been thinking: that AAR will drop WLIB (or viice versa) as
>
> > soon as the LMA runs out. The fact that Maloney thinks he
> > has broken this story is absolutely nuts. The writing has
> > been on the wall for over a year. Where they land is the
> > only question mark, and the expectation that it will be a
> > step down from WLIB's signal, as Maloney thinks, is not a
> > given. He'll call anything short of WOR a loss no doubt. I
>
> > bet they find someone at or near the same strength (for
> > example lower on the dial with a lower wattage, Maloney
> > would spin that as a step down even if the coverage is the
>
> > same or better).
> >
>
> Well, I'm still betting Alta and Michaels will continue
> libtalk on WLIB but some Air America programs would not have
> a chair when the music stops. WLIB would end up with a
> schedule like the Clear Channel libtalkers, with Ed, maybe
> Stephanie and possibly a local show in morning drive.
>
> But if not, what is available in New York with a comparable
> signal?
>
> WMCA? Salem paid religion. They are doing God's work.
> They won't flip and they won't let go.
> WFAN? CBS Radio Sportstalk. Making money.
> WOR? Buckley. They seem to be heading toward more
> lifestyle, advice talk. Air America might pay to play to
> get some programs cleared.
> WABC? Citadel News-talk. In somebody's dreams.
> WCBS? CBS Radio News See below.
> WPAT? Brokered foreign language. Multicultural Radio
> Broadcasting. As I recall (check me on this) they are the
> people Air America had brief LMA's in Chicago and LA. The
> company's credit may not be too good. Signal not good North
> of the City.
> WWDJ? Salem again.
> WINS? CBS Radio All-News. Maybe a slight chance CBS Radio
> figures they could combine two news stations into one, and
> flip the other to libtalk. Don't hold your breath.
> WBBR? Bloomberg Business News. The Mayor uses it to
> promote his name and his financial news service. Libtalk
> might make sense but he won't go for it.
> WQEW? Disney has it locked up.
> WWRL? Urban Talk. ICBC took flack for dropping their old
> format for White liberals. Doing OK with their target
> market. Station might be persuaded to clear one or two AA
> shows but probably won't flip.
>
> Even with reported donations, Air America does not have
> enough money to buy another station. Another LMA does not
> make financial sense and the current management has dropped
> this approach with good reason (except for continuing the
> existing LMA in New York). Their only shot is to get an
> affiliate. Air America's ratings and sales performance in
> New York does limit their options, even with pay to play.
> If they can't get one affiliate, they might be able to get
> programs cleared on different stations (for example one or
> two programs on WOR and one or two on WWRL), although
> possibly delayed until the evening. They might also pick up
> some "best of" clearances on the weekends. But then delayed
> or "best of" is how Rush started in many markets. Just
> depends on how flexible they are willing to be.
>
 
Re: Traffic Update

> Your loyalty is admirable.

What loyalty?

> Possibly you missed Old Akronite's earlier post:

No, I didn't miss it. My point was that you keep saying that WLIB is fully automated, when it isn't.
___________
>
> You apparently are not willing to accept
> what I posted because it "does not make sense" to require
> recorded traffic reports to be uploaded in advance.

That's not what I said. I said it doesn't make sense that a "fully automated" staion would be doing that. I'm talking about what's technically feasible.

> If
> you've worked in radio for any length of time (or most other
> fields)you must have some experiences when station policies,
> practices and procedures did not make sense and when bosses
> or customers made demands which did not make sense.

I've worked in radio for more than 30 years and of course I've seen instances where policies and procedures didn't make much sense. You're missing my point.

And your profile says that you're in East Lansing, Michigan so I assume that you're listening to the WLIB stream, which is not the same as listening to the WLIB air product. A lot of stations sound worse on the Internet because of all the covering of spots, etc. that's done by automation.
 
AAR's Business Model

> Now AAR may find themselves with out a ball to play with.
> It has always been the business model.

And going with the assumption that AAR is losing its nearly full-time LMA on WLIB, it'll fall apart this way:

The Air America responses to the reports of the end of the LMA all say "we have no intention of leaving the New York City airwaves". Not "we have no intention of leaving our full-time slot on 1190 AM".

The 24/7 (or nearly) model that AAR once championed is dead, dead, dead. Very few stations are interested in that. Even in Sacramento, where AAR moved to Entercom once-standards KCTC/1320 from KSAC/1240, it's not that Entercom has any big want to carry AAR full-time. In fact, they just added local talker Enid Goldstein in afternoon drive.

They just carry a lot of AAR programming because KSAC is running Jones' Stephanie Miller and Ed Schultz, and if KSAC went away, I'm sure Miller and Schultz would scoot over to KCTC instantly.

In New York City, AAR has two choices...assuming they'll have to leave 1190 as many expect they will. They can either hope to clear Franken, Rhodes and maybe one other show on an anemic AM somewhere in the NYC market, or they can hope to clear the 24/7 programming, likely on an even MORE anemic AM.

And that is the fallacy of their business model.

-OA<P ID="signature">______________
Ohio Media Watch - <a target="_blank" href=http://ohiomedia.blogspot.com>http://ohiomedia.blogspot.com</a></P>
 
Re: AAR's Business Model

> In New York City, AAR has two choices...assuming they'll
> have to leave 1190 as many expect they will. They can
> either hope to clear Franken, Rhodes and maybe one other
> show on an anemic AM somewhere in the NYC market, or they
> can hope to clear the 24/7 programming, likely on an even
> MORE anemic AM.

No, there's a third scenerio, which even Maloney, that full-time AAR basher, is peddling: that the new owners of WLIB (if there are new owners) will keep the libtalk format and some, but not all of the AAR shows.
 
Re: AAR's Business Model

> > In New York City, AAR has two choices...assuming they'll
> > have to leave 1190 as many expect they will. They can
> > either hope to clear Franken, Rhodes and maybe one other
> > show on an anemic AM somewhere in the NYC market, or they
> > can hope to clear the 24/7 programming, likely on an even
> > MORE anemic AM.
>
> No, there's a third scenerio, which even Maloney, that
> full-time AAR basher, is peddling: that the new owners of
> WLIB (if there are new owners) will keep the libtalk format
> and some, but not all of the AAR shows.
>

Why not base AAR out of LA where they have a fairly decent signal and the second largest market?
 
Re: AAR's Business Model

> >
> > No, there's a third scenerio, which even Maloney, that
> > full-time AAR basher, is peddling: that the new owners of
> > WLIB (if there are new owners) will keep the libtalk format
> > and some, but not all of the AAR shows.
> >

FTR: I posted that here four days ago when Maloney first started gloating.

Only on this board could people see a potentially stronger libtalk line-up in New York as a defeat (assuming Michaels' P1 takes over the station).


>
> Why not base AAR out of LA where they have a fairly decent
> signal and the second largest market?
>

They have their own studio space in New York. That said, was one of the original management's dumb moves was the major expense of setting up their New York studios and offices.

Currently, Franken does his show from Minneapolis, Hartmann from Portland and Springer from Cincinnati and Chicago. Randi Rhodes does her show at least part of the time from West Palm Beach, where she has a home. With today's technology, anybody can do a talk show from most any place.
 
No room at WOR's inn

After selling time to WW1 (O'Reilly) and TRN (Savage), WOR has little room for new programming, considering they flagship their "network" (and unlike AAR, network in this case certainly belongs in quotes). Between Joy Browne, the new Money Matters (formerly Jim Cramer's show), Dr. Ronald Hoffman, Lionel, and Reynolds, where does a distressed AAR show go? Of course, the timing for WOR's new local afternoon show is a bit off, as perhaps Randi could have wiggled her way into a 4-6 spot before the less entertaining Ellis Henican (and TRN weekend talker) and some sidekick took to the show. Then again, I can't image what kind of audience she'd get being sandwiched between O'Reilly and Savage other than WLIB comers over.
 
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