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Nash 947

On my verizon fios there is a music choice channel called pop country that plays current hits from both formats.

I like both so its a great channel for me - would be really interesting for a radio station to try that.

Also nash has always played some older songs like chatahooche, boot scootin boogie & i think on flashback thursdays they even play more older songs.
 
Country was last heard on NY radio the mid-90s, and I'm sure a lot of New Yorkers have fond memories from that time. I think a good mix, similar to what Cumulus is doing with Nash Icon, would get them slightly better numbers than currents or adding non-country songs.

I don't think-so. This city's ethno-demo's have changed radically in the last twenty years. We are now majority-minority, the young whites who have migrated here have not brought the cultural (or political) tastes from back home.

If you look at the history of 'country" music here in NYC you can see a long, slow fade from the WHN-WKHK days.

I and my partners have investments in 26 restaurants here in the five boroughs and NJ. I am in at least one of them every day of the week. Many of our locations have live music on certain nights as well as jukeboxes and some DJ's. Twenty years ago you could stock some country titles in a jukebox or get requests for a DJ or band to play certain titles.

That is just gone now. Maybe it is a lack of radio exposure, but it is more likely it is just a changed populace.

I'm personally a bit sorry about this in that the country genre has some of the best written and catchy tunes in popular music today.

Tracks like Kieth Urban "We were us" and "The simple things" -Jim Brickman are memorable tunes, but they don't sell here.

Anyway, I doubt NYC is anything more than a vanity publisher for the poobahs of "Nash".

LCG
 
How do you know airplay was a condition? Some of these free shows are benefits, and the artist gets to present a check to a charity.

I was discussing this with a PD who programmed a cluster of stations. He told me about the concerts at the end year like jingle ball are done by the artists for the airplay. This could be new artists or older artists with new albums in the past year. Maybe it's a ..you scratch my back,I'll scratch yours kind of thing. He did say the artists don't like being obligated to do this as they don't get paid. I don't know about concerts for charities but I am talking about jingleball in NYC particularly. He mentioned Jingleball. Wasn't Clear Channel investigated about this?
 
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I and my partners have investments in 26 restaurants here in the five boroughs and NJ. I am in at least one of them every day of the week. Many of our locations have live music on certain nights as well as jukeboxes and some DJ's. Twenty years ago you could stock some country titles in a jukebox or get requests for a DJ or band to play certain titles.

That is just gone now. Maybe it is a lack of radio exposure, but it is more likely it is just a changed populace.

I'm personally a bit sorry about this in that the country genre has some of the best written and catchy tunes in popular music today.

Tracks like Kieth Urban "We were us" and "The simple things" -Jim Brickman are memorable tunes, but they don't sell here.

Anyway, I doubt NYC is anything more than a vanity publisher for the poobahs of "Nash".

LCG

I think the biggest thing holding back country music in NYC is it's image. Everything in NYC has to be cool and hip. Country music still has the stereotype of farms and tractors. I think even if people liked some songs they still would never admit to liking it because it just doesn't fit the "cool factor" around this area.
 
He mentioned Jingleball. Wasn't Clear Channel investigated about this?

No.

Several group broadcasters and record labels were investigated by the N.Y. state Attorney General in regards to the practices of independent promotion companies. The now-discredited AJ was obviously on an attention-getting mission, but he did get some "settlement" fines whereby broadcasters found it easier to make the whole thing go away.

As BigA mentions, an Entercom PD was found to have received a TV and got fired. Otherwise the investigation had to do with how stations got incentivized by independent promoters to report song adds through the different promotion companies.

The independent promoters generally had nothing to do with the talent at events... for that stations doing concerts or shows have to go either to the label or to artist management.

No artist particularly likes doing free shows. But their label and their management often see the advantages of being featured at major events in major markets. Because artists now make most of their money from touring and not from the sale of songs (or the fees from DCMA regulated performances) they do less of those free shows now than they did in the past.

But Jingle Ball was not specifically the subject of any investigation.
 
On my verizon fios there is a music choice channel called pop country that plays current hits from both formats.

I like both so its a great channel for me - would be really interesting for a radio station to try that.

Also nash has always played some older songs like chatahooche, boot scootin boogie & i think on flashback thursdays they even play more older songs.

Believe it or not their IS a radio station that not only is trying both POP and COUNTRY but winning in the market. It's in little Ol Ardmore Oklahoma and the station is 97.7 KICM. They call it The BIG Station. They stream online if you want to check it out.
 
I think even if people liked some songs they still would never admit to liking it because it just doesn't fit the "cool factor" around this area.

People don't have to admit they like something. Some people don't admit they listen to OTA radio, but we know they do. As long as they listen, PPM will pick them up.

Also, have you been to New Jersey? They call it the Garden State. Lots of farms and tractors there. I've even seen grazing cows. If only Jersey people listen, that's good enough for this station.
 
New York State Attorney General Elliott Spitzer, before his fall from grace, investigated the Entercom CHR in Buffalo. The PD was charged with receiving undisclosed benefits. The matter was settled. A fine levied. The PD moved on to program a CHR competitor in Canada, across the river from Buffalo. He later made a few horizontal moves, went into sales and now rehabilitated, programs Townsquare's Hot AC in Buffalo, which is challenging Entercom's Hot AC. The guy always had good ears and programming ability, now he has real life experience and a bit more humility.

The Nash morning show is at best, inept. Cumulus PDs in markets that air the show have cited a lack of direction and focus, as if the hosts throw stuff up against the wall to see what sticks. Coming out of Music City, they have little if any clue about what happens on the street in Market #1. A few months ago a caller was heard on the air, doing a produced bit about a llama. A llama! A few days later, a noteworthy Country artist that was booked cancelled, so rather than pay tribute to the artist by playing the guy's hit song(s), the morning show made up a parody interview. It was so lame that it wouldn't work in Newton or New Brunswick, let alone New York. It must have sounded more embarrassing in Nashville.

As to New Jersey; Although the state has more than 700 thousand acres of farmland, Hudson, Essex, Middlesex, Sommerset, Bergen and Monmouth counties have some of the most densely populated communities in the United States.
 
As to New Jersey; Although the state has more than 700 thousand acres of farmland, Hudson, Essex, Middlesex, Sommerset, Bergen and Monmouth counties have some of the most densely populated communities in the United States.

Regardless, there's not much in today's country music that is based in farms. Especially when artists like Ludacris, Usher, and Bon Jovi have no problem singing it. Country radio stations are among the highest rated stations in the largest cities in the rest of New York State including Buffalo, Rochester, Syracuse, Albany, and more, as well as other nearby Northeast cities like Hartford, Boston, Providence, and Springfield. If country music is good enough to be played on the most popular stations in New York City without alienating anyone, it's good enough to have its own station.
 
As to New Jersey; Although the state has more than 700 thousand acres of farmland, Hudson, Essex, Middlesex, Sommerset, Bergen and Monmouth counties have some of the most densely populated communities in the United States.

I don't see how population density has anything to do with the popularity of country music. The city of Nashville is densely populated and country is obviously very popular there. I live in Essex County and Nash is my favorite NYC radio station - the same holds true for my wife and my next door neighbors. I think you're falling for the stereotype that only people that live on farms or live a country lifestyle will listen to country music.
 
To clarify, I was responding to BigA, whose post covered a lot of ground and mentioned that NJ is the Garden State, home to lots of tractors. The last paragraph of my post was intended only to offer a counter view, that although NJ is known for its produce, it also has high density population centers (and urban sprawl that took over much of what was once "Garden.") I'm not stereotyping, rather making an observation from personal experience, traveling and visiting areas from High Point to Hackensack, Carteret to Cape May and points in between. No more, no less. Yes indeed, all kinds of people listen to country, whether they live in Sussex county or Hudson county. The more significant point in my post relates to the Nash morning show, which is mediocre and best and largely unacceptable for Market #1, whether you're listening in Middlesex or the heart of Manhattan.
 
Not that I'm aware of. The last payola investigation was Entercom, in which a PD was given a large flat screen TV. The PD was fired. Maybe your friend should get fired.

Read the rules. They say "any person," so your PD friend is as liable as anyone else.

http://www.fcc.gov/guides/payola-rules

The PD I was talking to was just discussing Jingle ball concerts and how they came about several years ago. He was in MI I was in NJ At the time . Considered working for him but chose not too.
 
Country wont work in NYC for the same reasons it wont work in San Fran. So many are brainwashed from birth to hate with an ISIS like passion those Americans in the heartland, Conservatism, and the religious values that many of those people live by. Country music represents those people, so there is just no way that New Yorkers would even give it a chance. I mean you think you can start blasting music made by a Jewish musician in Iran and that the people there would give it a chance, or an objective chance at it being something they would like? Same thing.

I know it isn't "politically correct" for me to just lay out the truth and facts of it like this, but I think at this point in the conversation there is no reason to dance around it, let's just deal with it for what it is.

Now 947 is not a true NYC signal, it doesn't come in in Manhattan at all. However all the great decent people who live in North New Jersey and Staten Island are able to get it just fine, it is a great format for the signal in that regard. If you found a new format that was getting numbers on 947, someone with an empire stick would switch to it right away and beat you. The only problem is Long Island, there are many great decent people living there who have problems getting 947, which it is funny, Long Island is further away but the signal does better there than the closer island of Manhattan with all duh big ol buildings. It would be perfect if they could relay it on say 983 for western Nassau, and then 943 for Suffolk.
 
Country wont work in NYC for the same reasons it wont work in San Fran. So many are brainwashed from birth to hate with an ISIS like passion those Americans in the heartland, Conservatism, and the religious values that many of those people live by. Country music represents those people, so there is just no way that New Yorkers would even give it a chance.

Sounds to me like you haven't actually listened to country music in 25 years. Rappers like Usher and Ludacris don't share your views about country music. And New Yorkers have given a lot of support to Conservative talk radio over the years, haven't they?

I'm not saying country music will get Z100 style ratings, but all they really need is a 2 share. You don't think at least 2% of the people in NYC are conservative?
 
Country wont work in NYC for the same reasons it wont work in San Fran.

Country is working in San Francisco. There are on average about 2.2 shares for the two country stations, even if they are both basically South Bay signals

So many are brainwashed from birth to hate with an ISIS like passion those Americans in the heartland, Conservatism, and the religious values that many of those people live by. Country music represents those people, so there is just no way that New Yorkers would even give it a chance.

Country does best where there have been lifestyle elements for a long time. Both NY and SF have not had country stations for much of the last 50 years. Still, the Bay Area stations do OK and Nash in NY does OK also.

Now 947 is not a true NYC signal, it doesn't come in in Manhattan at all.

Yet 94.7 is a full B licensed well inside the metro, and it gets around a 2 share on Long Island. Most of the Manhattan issues have to do with signal blockage by the buildings, but it's no loss as the makeup of the lost areas is likely to not include many country fans.
 
David, I am curious about the "around 2 share" that you wrote Nash has achieved in LI. The last published ratings 6+ for Nassau-Suffolk gave it a 1.1. Is the 2 for the more significant 25-54 demo? Is that the rating you would have expected for Nash in that area, given the fact that its signal does not reach eastern Nassau and Suffolk counties very well?
A country format does appear to make sense for a station that puts a strong signal into north NJ, where many of the area's country fans are found. Nash was tied for #1 in the Morristown NJ ratings.
But it does appear that Cumulus has expected the cume to be around a million. During most of its existence, it has been somewhat lower. Perhaps that may help explain why they have tweaked the programming by adding some pop and rock tunes, and commercial free hours.
 
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David, I am curious about the "around 2 share" that you wrote Nash has achieved in LI. The last published ratings 6+ for Nassau-Suffolk gave it a 1.1. Is the 2 for the more significant 25-54 demo?

Yes, it is 25-54 and I neglected to mention that. Just goes to show that 12+ is not exactly top of mind in radio.

Is that the rating you would have expected for Nash in that area, given the fact that its signal does not reach eastern Nassau and Suffolk counties very well?

It's actually on the high side of expectations as the signal is, as you say, limited in that part of the NY market.

But it does appear that Cumulus has expected the cume to be around a million. During most of its existence, it has been somewhat lower. Perhaps that may help explain why they have tweaked the programming by adding some pop and rock tunes, and commercial free hours.

Generally, cume is grown by outside advertising and promotion. The moves you describe are likely to be TSL enhancements, at least in thier minds.
 
Thanks David,
Could you give us an idea how Nash is doing 25-54 in the NYC and M/S/U PPM's? The published ratings for the insignificant 6+ rankings have been quite low.
 
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