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Nashville's Jack!!

Re: Jack

> Hmmmm. Is that why it's on fire in L.A., St. Louis, Dallas,
> Phoenix, Seattle, Minneapolis, Indy, Nashville. A bunch o'
> hick towns, they must be.
>

Indy? Nashville? St. Louis? Phoenix? Minneapolis? Huge! Incredible markets.

How about NYC, Chicago? How about markets where the revenue outbills the small market towns? I guess that's not important?

L.A., Dallas, Seattle, Phoenix in their initial stages? Better than before. I'd liken it to going short in a bear rally.

I just blew a hole in your theory. I acknowledged the small amount of success they're having. At this time next year, that's all you'll have to cling to.

> Bad enough you hate the concept but you can't even bring
> yourself to acknowledge their early successes.
>
>
> > Years to come? Wow, everyone can be right eventually.
> > Sorry, it's a small town radio format, a bunch of cds put
> on
> > autopilot with no rhyme or reason.
>
 
Re: Jack

You and oldies cat must trade hands with each other.

> > Hmmmm. Is that why it's on fire in L.A., St. Louis,
> Dallas,
> > Phoenix, Seattle, Minneapolis, Indy, Nashville. A bunch
> o'
> > hick towns, they must be.
> >
> > Bad enough you hate the concept but you can't even bring
> > yourself to acknowledge their early successes.
>
> I understand how he "thinks" the format will fail. Thats his
> PREDICTION, but he is saying "jack will fail" or "no doubt
> jack will fail" but he or us has absolutely NO idea if Jack
> will die or live. He can't just say that. Apparently,
> listeners love Jack. Like you said, he won't acknowledge
> that he was wrong, so far after the recent ratings/trends
> shown.
>
> > > Years to come? Wow, everyone can be right eventually.
> > > Sorry, it's a small town radio format, a bunch of cds
> put
> > on
> > > autopilot with no rhyme or reason.
> >
>
 
Re: Jack

> You and oldies cat must trade hands with each other.

Come on musiclover! You are allowed to have an opinion, but this is a board and people like me will disagree. Also there are facts that are out, and those facts go against your opinion/hate for Jack. Whenever I am wrong, I admit it, but why won't you?

> > > Hmmmm. Is that why it's on fire in L.A., St. Louis,
> > Dallas,
> > > Phoenix, Seattle, Minneapolis, Indy, Nashville. A bunch
>
> > o'
> > > hick towns, they must be.
> > >
> > > Bad enough you hate the concept but you can't even bring
>
> > > yourself to acknowledge their early successes.
> >
> > I understand how he "thinks" the format will fail. Thats
> his
> > PREDICTION, but he is saying "jack will fail" or "no doubt
>
> > jack will fail" but he or us has absolutely NO idea if
> Jack
> > will die or live. He can't just say that. Apparently,
> > listeners love Jack. Like you said, he won't acknowledge
> > that he was wrong, so far after the recent ratings/trends
> > shown.
> >
> > > > Years to come? Wow, everyone can be right eventually.
>
> > > > Sorry, it's a small town radio format, a bunch of cds
> > put
> > > on
> > > > autopilot with no rhyme or reason.
> > >
> >
>
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Jack

Blow THIS.

You hate the format, so why do you pour so much time and effort into arguing about it? You fail to acknowledge the realities, instead just throwing hot-headed B.S. up to see what'll stick.

And none of yours is sticking.


> I just blew a hole in your theory. I acknowledged the small
> amount of success they're having. At this time next year,
> that's all you'll have to cling to.
>
> > Bad enough you hate the concept but you can't even bring
> > yourself to acknowledge their early successes.

> > > Years to come? Wow, everyone can be right eventually.
> > > Sorry, it's a small town radio format, a bunch of cds
> put on autopilot with no rhyme or reason.
 
Jack hater

Because he/she is on a "Hate Jack" campaign and refuses any reasonable discussion. He/she presents opinion as fact but then tries to con us into thinking they're a 35 year radio pro.

Most of the most experienced, successful and respected radio pros enjoy participating in spirited back & forth, intelligent discussion and would never take the tone of this jaded, cynical, bitter cat. I'm finished with them.


> Come on musiclover! You are allowed to have an opinion, but
> this is a board and people like me will disagree. Also there
> are facts that are out, and those facts go against your
> opinion/hate for Jack. Whenever I am wrong, I admit it, but
> why won't you?
>
> > > > Hmmmm. Is that why it's on fire in L.A., St. Louis,
> > > Dallas, Phoenix, Seattle, Minneapolis, Indy, Nashville. A
> bunch o'hick towns, they must be. enough you hate the concept but you can't even bring yourself to acknowledge their early successes.
> I understand how he "thinks" the format will fail. Thats his
> > > PREDICTION, but he is saying "jack will fail" or "no
> doubt jack will fail" but he or us has absolutely NO idea if
> > Jack will die or live. He can't just say that. Apparently,
> > > listeners love Jack.
 
> I want to see Jack hit the top too, but I hate not having a
> Hot AC. I Used to listen to Star 97 just to hear Casey
> Kasem's American Top 20. (in fact I heard the last show Star
> did on the Saturday morning before they flipped)
>
Jet ---

I'm with you on the demise of Star 97's Hot AC, because it
had finally gotten a decent sound two months before the
flip. But, for some reason Nashville just did not listen.
I doubt Cumulus will try that again, even on 106.7 in
Nashville. I do wonder if they'll consider a "Jill type"
female oriented format for 106.7, since WJXA has strong
25+ female listenership. The real question is how willing
the suits at South Central Communications are to
let WCJK eat into WJXA's listenership. I'd say this
is the first crack in JXA in over a decade and someone
should firm it up or take advantage of it.

Hence, the next question, will there be a rash of
female oriented VH stations? There are always rip-off
format attempts, but this one is so obvious that it
could be an interesting move. Long term, maybe not,
but, WE ALL KNOW its to early to tell on any VH
formats unless you're the musiclover. BTW, i enjoyed
the closed post below between Oldiescat and Musiclover.
What fun I missed being out of the country for the
past three weeks.
 
Re: Jack

Now, without even bringing up my "obsession" with requests:

ON MY OPINION Jack needs more of the 3 E's for long term success.
Not just the voice over guy.
Come on oldies cat, be more open to reasons to hire a radio personality.
Local 3 E's are also very important.
I'm sorry you find it to be too expensive.<P ID="signature">______________
"If you never say NO, How much is your YES worth?"
</P>
 
Jack

Where have I EVER said not to hire personalites for Jack? Please go find the post where I said this should be the case, then get back to us.

(fellow posters: don't hold your breath here. I've NEVER said that).

We're waiting.


> Come on oldies cat, be more open to reasons to hire a radio
> personality. Local 3 E's are also very important.
> I'm sorry you find it to be too expensive.
>
 
Re: Jack

> Where have I EVER said not to hire personalites for Jack?
> Please go find the post where I said this should be the
> case, then get back to us.
>
> (fellow posters: don't hold your breath here. I've NEVER
> said that).
>
> We're waiting.

I'm sorry, I must have mistaken you for someone else who said "Jack is doing fine as is"

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> > I want to see Jack hit the top too, but I hate not having
> a
> > Hot AC. I Used to listen to Star 97 just to hear Casey
> > Kasem's American Top 20. (in fact I heard the last show
> Star
> > did on the Saturday morning before they flipped)
> >
> Jet ---
>
> I'm with you on the demise of Star 97's Hot AC, because it
> had finally gotten a decent sound two months before the
> flip. But, for some reason Nashville just did not listen.
> I doubt Cumulus will try that again, even on 106.7 in
> Nashville. I do wonder if they'll consider a "Jill type"
> female oriented format for 106.7, since WJXA has strong
> 25+ female listenership. The real question is how willing
> the suits at South Central Communications are to
> let WCJK eat into WJXA's listenership. I'd say this
> is the first crack in JXA in over a decade and someone
> should firm it up or take advantage of it.
>
> Hence, the next question, will there be a rash of
> female oriented VH stations? There are always rip-off
> format attempts, but this one is so obvious that it
> could be an interesting move. Long term, maybe not,
> but, WE ALL KNOW its to early to tell on any VH
> formats unless you're the musiclover. BTW, i enjoyed
> the closed post below between Oldiescat and Musiclover.
> What fun I missed being out of the country for the
> past three weeks.
>

The case in Nashville is interesting. Is Jack still playing a lot of music WJXA would play, or are they shifting over the focus to something else? "Star 106.7" would probably be better than what they have now and create competition between Jack, Mix, and the new Star.<P ID="signature">______________
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Jocks on Jack

Which is it? They are very different statements. Your post before this (to me) said: ""Come on oldies cat, be more open to reasons to hire a radio personality. I'm sorry you find it to be too expensive.""

I've never said I'm opposted to hiring personalities on Jack and I never said it would be too expensive.

> I'm sorry, I must have mistaken you for someone else who said "Jack is doing fine as is"
>

And, I've never said "Jack is doing fine as-is". I HAVE repeatedly said I believe that while many Jack stations are off to great starts, they will have to add personalities sometime in the future to prevent themselves from being iPods on shuffle WITH commercials.
 
> Sure, it's a small town radio format. Should do wonders in
> markets like that, in fact, most small town radio sounds
> like Jack. In big city markets? Just look at what happens in
> the next 8 months.

There are some important differences between the small town "play anything and everything" approach and what JACK-FM (and others in the Variety Hits game) are doing. With JACK-FM, you have 1,000-1,200 carefully chosen tracks, tested and checked, which have almost all been Top 40 hits from 1974-present (with some rare exceptions, like "Get It On (Bang A Gong)" from 1971). For the music director, the task of scheduling the music is key, making sure that one genre or sound is not overwhelming in a given set and that the songs chosen flow together reasonably well.

The subtle nuances make a big difference, I believe. Time will tell how the format will play out in different markets, and certainly there are many factors that can cause results to vary from market to market. But if the indications from JACK-FM stations in Canada are any indication, the format should have legs here in the U.S. We'll find out one way or another soon enough.<P ID="signature">______________
Lou Pickney
Tampa, FL
RadioHotTalk.com & VarietyHits.com</P>
 
Re: One reason for its success in Nashville

> > You mean other than WRQQ, which was an 80s station until
> > somewhat recently?
>
> No. Since I moved here last December, WRQQ (Star 97) played
> nothing but '90s and current all day except for the noon
> hour lunchtime show. I know it was all '80s at some point
> in the past.
>
WRQQ (Star 97) was all 80's from mid 2001 until about late 2002/early 2003. The probelm with Star 97's all 80's format was they had a very limited playlist. There were a lot songs from the 80's they just were not playing compared to some of the other all 80's stations from across the country were playing. Even we they went to 80's only during lunch and on Friday nights, it seemed like it was the same handful of songs being played over and over. Is it really good programming to play "We Got the Beat"-the GoGos three times during a six hour Friday Night 80's segment?
 
Re: One reason for its success in Nashville

> > > You mean other than WRQQ, which was an 80s station until
>
> > > somewhat recently?
> >
> > No. Since I moved here last December, WRQQ (Star 97)
> played
> > nothing but '90s and current all day except for the noon
> > hour lunchtime show. I know it was all '80s at some point
>
> > in the past.
> >
> WRQQ (Star 97) was all 80's from mid 2001 until about late
> 2002/early 2003. The probelm with Star 97's all 80's format
> was they had a very limited playlist. There were a lot songs
> from the 80's they just were not playing compared to some of
> the other all 80's stations from across the country were
> playing. Even we they went to 80's only during lunch and on
> Friday nights, it seemed like it was the same handful of
> songs being played over and over. Is it really good
> programming to play "We Got the Beat"-the GoGos three times
> during a six hour Friday Night 80's segment?
>

Sounds boring. Even if a regular listener was listening to the whole show, they would probably notice.
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Star=80s=dog

Problem with most 80s stations is (are) the people programming them. I'm betting (by looking at their music monitors) most look at is a "retro" format and the Prince/Madonna station. That is a recipe for disaster.


The 80s was a great decade for pop music and there is a boatload of great music available that is definitely familiar. And, a lot of that music was pop/rock plus there's some great late 70s music (Cars, Clash, etc.) available along with a SELECT number of early 90s songs. Most oldies stations who are getting killed right now are, IMHO, adding TOO MUCH 90s music.

So, a 29 yr old who thinks it's the next oldies derivation or focuses on dance club-type 80s hits will get killed (message to Cox 80s stations).

>
> Sounds boring. Even if a regular listener was listening to
> the whole show, they would probably notice.
>
 
Re: Star=80s=dog

> Problem with most 80s stations is (are) the people
> programming them. I'm betting (by looking at their music
> monitors) most look at is a "retro" format and the
> Prince/Madonna station. That is a recipe for disaster.
>
>
> The 80s was a great decade for pop music and there is a
> boatload of great music available that is definitely
> familiar. And, a lot of that music was pop/rock plus
> there's some great late 70s music (Cars, Clash, etc.)
> available along with a SELECT number of early 90s songs.
> Most oldies stations who are getting killed right now are,
> IMHO, adding TOO MUCH 90s music.

You mean oldies stations are adding 90s already? Not Jack type, but regular oldies? Didn't know that, but I'm sure a lot of oldies listeners don't want to here 90s music. Now is the appropriate time to add select 80s, which some are doing.

> So, a 29 yr old who thinks it's the next oldies derivation
> or focuses on dance club-type 80s hits will get killed
> (message to Cox 80s stations).



> > Sounds boring. Even if a regular listener was listening to
>
> > the whole show, they would probably notice.
> >
>
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Re: Star=80s=dog

The problem with 80s formats is that those programming (programmed) them ignore URBAN and dance. It wasn't all Bon Jovi, Prince and Madonna and bad punk bands. Granted it depends market to market. There's well over 100 HITS that were ignored by most 80s stations in favor of playing the same old tired crap over and over again. Not to mention the few spins those HITS of the DANCE and URBAN persuasion receive(d) in both reality and perception due to how long it took to come back to them in rotation.

> Problem with most 80s stations is (are) the people
> programming them. I'm betting (by looking at their music
> monitors) most look at is a "retro" format and the
> Prince/Madonna station. That is a recipe for disaster.
>
>
> The 80s was a great decade for pop music and there is a
> boatload of great music available that is definitely
> familiar. And, a lot of that music was pop/rock plus
> there's some great late 70s music (Cars, Clash, etc.)
> available along with a SELECT number of early 90s songs.
> Most oldies stations who are getting killed right now are,
> IMHO, adding TOO MUCH 90s music.
>
> So, a 29 yr old who thinks it's the next oldies derivation
> or focuses on dance club-type 80s hits will get killed
> (message to Cox 80s stations).
>
> >
> > Sounds boring. Even if a regular listener was listening to
>
> > the whole show, they would probably notice.
> >
>
 
Star=80s=dog

Actually, if you look at the Media Base 24-7 monitors, most 80s stations lean TOO rhythmic and dance (because the often too young pds love that stuff). I'm not saying ignore the dance hits, but they better be huge, mass-appeal smashes (i.e.:
My Prerogative, I Wanna Dance With Somebody, Vogue). No urban cross-over or dance-club garbage. Yecch!

> The problem with 80s formats is that those programming
> (programmed) them ignore URBAN and dance. It wasn't all Bon
> Jovi, Prince and Madonna and bad punk bands. Granted it
> depends market to market. There's well over 100 HITS that
> were ignored by most 80s stations in favor of playing the
> same old tired crap over and over again. Not to mention the
> few spins those HITS of the DANCE and URBAN persuasion
> receive(d) in both reality and perception due to how long it
> took to come back to them in rotation.
>
> > Problem with most 80s stations is (are) the people
> > programming them. I'm betting (by looking at their music
> > monitors) most look at is a "retro" format and the
> > Prince/Madonna station. That is a recipe for disaster.
 
80s-80s-80s-80s-80s

that's not what I said- the conversation was about Eighties stations.

>
> You mean oldies stations are adding 90s already? Not Jack
> type, but regular oldies? Didn't know that, but I'm sure a
> lot of oldies listeners don't want to here 90s music. Now is
> the appropriate time to add select 80s, which some are
> doing.
>
> > So, a 29 yr old who thinks it's the next oldies derivation
>
> > or focuses on dance club-type 80s hits will get killed
> > (message to Cox 80s stations).
>
>
>
> > > Sounds boring. Even if a regular listener was listening
> to
> >
> > > the whole show, they would probably notice.
> > >
> >
>
 
Re: 80s-80s-80s-80s-80s

Somewhere in this thread, I'd like to also point out that it may be the end result of a music test.

One person, (depending on the market) may be representing up to 4,000 people.
If the music tests say that those attending are NOT sick of the Prince/Madonna/eighties pop playlist, then the 80's station carries on playing the same songs over and over until that music test shows otherwise...or...until the ratings come in and show otherwise.<P ID="signature">______________
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