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I was talking to a former Nassau employee and a current employee..they are still trying to cut expenses to hit their numbers. The recent move of one of the Lakes Region sales managers to the Lebanon Stations was to cut expenses. She will not be replaced.All the NH stations are still losing money. Voice tracking is done to save the cash. Look for WLKZ and Oldies 99 to simulcast in the near future.Look...these guys clearly screwed up...they thought their "NJ formula" would work. The building in Hooksett is too big and costs a fortune to operate...they have slowly moved out the local guys and brought their "Jersey Guys" in who haven't got a clue how to run these stations in New England.They program the stations like they are in New Jersey (just listen to WJYY)and they sound like (BLEEP). It's too bad...I hear a few former employees will surface in the region fairly soon.That's good. It's corporate radio and they have killed what worked so well...local radio. Some former big shots with some of Nassau's stations have indicated a desire to try and get back in...let's hope it happens some day.
 
It is mainly a problem with Nassau in New England. It's New Jersey stations do quite well actually!

And before I start writing my book, please know I'm not just a "Nassau-hater". I left under my own power, and have, in time, come to realize that Clear Channel isn't as evil as some make them out to be. Nassau is a major problem, however.

Nassau swept into the market preaching "minimal firings" and brand new equipment. The people I worked with were happy with the acquisition and the promises. In time, Audio Vault was switched to Scott Studios (Nassau's automator of choice) and new boards were put in place. All very expensive.

In Hooksett, brand new studios (next to a day care center who gets loud at times), a really fancy looking sign out front that cost over a few thousand, all new studios, huge sales pit, etc.

All money coming from thin air? No.

They had to make cuts. These are the "minimal cuts" they warned about. Big 101.5 is dissolved. WJYY now voicetracks 20 hours a day (literal figure). All talent are required to read liner cards verbatim (notice how all Nassau stations sound like they used the same voicetracks all week?). WJYY voicetracks middays with someone from New Jersey. WLNH voicetracks with Dan Justin in Boston. Small-town radio lost its personality and became a drone.

I've seen many good people lose their jobs because of budget cuts at the Nassau clusters. There is corporate radio, and there is CORPORATE RADIO. Nassau has become the latter.

What Nassau fails to realize is that "Frank FM" isn't going to work for ALL FORMATS. How come Nassau's market #140 CHR (WPST, Trenton NJ) is live for all but overnights, meanwhile WJYY, market #168 is voicetracked virtually all the time? They could have saved money on the new studio and not bought microphones, a board, or a desk for that matter. They could have put Scott Studios in a storage closet and would have saved several thousand dollars.

Nassau seems to have forgotten that small-town radio is where the "kids get their start". Your studios do NOT have to be state of the art...at least until your stations are profitable.

While with Nassau, I was also onair at a Citadel station in market #174 (WFHN, New Bedford, MA). A CHR-R, this station is the POSTERCHILD of how a small market station should be run. Their music is topical for the market. They hire SEVERAL weekenders (6 to be exact) for low wages. Their board isn't the newest thing in the world. ENCO is alot cheaper than Scott Studios. Liner cards are no where to be seen.

Where do you think they are in the ratings? The top. By far. Do they make money? Yes. How do they do it? Easy. They make GOOD RADIO that they can sell. They have real human beings behind the mic, live, who you can call and interact with. They have original promotions that aren't like Nassau's "Christmas Cash", where all stations are fighting over 1 $1000 prize. They actually make an emotional connection with their listeners.

Nassau is thinking too much with their wallet, and not enough with their creative juices. Axing people ad nausem all while saying "Hey, we had to buy brand new studios" is not the right way. Make the money before you spend it. Getting new boards and automation systems in no way affects the listener...they just want their station's music selection to be great.

I keep pointing out WJYY because it is by far the most blatent offender. Classic Rock stations are not "personality stations". But Hot AC's and CHR's are. Kiss 108 in Boston. Every listener, give or take a few, know Kiss' request line number by heart. Meanwhile, WJYY, they don't advertise the number, and even if they did, no one can answer the phone because they voicetrack all but 4 hours a day.

Would it be so hard to hire a REAL GO-GETTING, fresh outta communications college, wanna-be dj for a part time salary of $9/hr for a show? 5 hours a day, 5 days a week...it comes up to $11,700 a year. Is that really so much? If there is a gig, the talent will come. Take away those robotic liner cards and give jocks bullet points. Bring the PERSONALITY back to small-market radio. With personalities come listeners, and with listeners comes ratings...that is the reason WLNH is billing the best in the cluster...they have the ratings and a great personalities. They are somewhat live...more so than most of Nassau's other stations.

Show PRIDE in your product, and listeners will show loyalty to your product...and businesses will too. Otherwise, the cost-cutting, script-reading beast that Nassau has become will take a tailspin in New Hampshire.




> I was talking to a former Nassau employee and a current
> employee..they are still trying to cut expenses to hit their
> numbers. The recent move of one of the Lakes Region sales
> managers to the Lebanon Stations was to cut expenses. She
> will not be replaced.All the NH stations are still losing
> money. Voice tracking is done to save the cash. Look for
> WLKZ and Oldies 99 to simulcast in the near
> future.Look...these guys clearly screwed up...they thought
> their "NJ formula" would work. The building in Hooksett is
> too big and costs a fortune to operate...they have slowly
> moved out the local guys and brought their "Jersey Guys" in
> who haven't got a clue how to run these stations in New
> England.They program the stations like they are in New
> Jersey (just listen to WJYY)and they sound like (BLEEP).
> It's too bad...I hear a few former employees will surface in
> the region fairly soon.That's good. It's corporate radio and
> they have killed what worked so well...local radio. Some
> former big shots with some of Nassau's stations have
> indicated a desire to try and get back in...let's hope it
> happens some day.
>
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-TheGuy...InTheRadio</P>
 
Losing money and respect! My big girlfriend at cc tells me that she was contacted several times by the regional dop in the valley - and that she was told a lot of promises, as he tried to get her to make the switch. And just Wednesday of this week - the gossip on the street is the new morning show host on the Wolf, after only 5 months with the company. Who moved his entire family from Atlanta - bailed with no notice. Telling other current employees that - it was the worst broadcasting company he had ever worked for! I know if I ran the farm up here in Sharon like the way those dirt bags in West Lebanon run their operation. I would have gone on food stamps, or better yet, tried to get a job at Margarita's - which seems to be doing much better than the last pit that was in that location, oh, speaking of a pit - is anyone left in the old Vox Claremont location?

Mary ;)
 
> Losing money and respect! My big girlfriend at cc tells me
> that she was contacted several times by the regional dop in
> the valley - and that she was told a lot of promises, as he
> tried to get her to make the switch. And just Wednesday of
> this week - the gossip on the street is the new morning show
> host on the Wolf, after only 5 months with the company. Who
> moved his entire family from Atlanta - bailed with no
> notice. Telling other current employees that - it was the
> worst broadcasting company he had ever worked for! I know
> if I ran the farm up here in Sharon like the way those dirt
> bags in West Lebanon run their operation. I would have gone
> on food stamps, or better yet, tried to get a job at
> Margarita's - which seems to be doing much better than the
> last pit that was in that location, oh, speaking of a pit -
> is anyone left in the old Vox Claremont location?
>
> Mary ;)

I'd love to make a comment here...but some of our current broadcasters would swear up and down that "argy is longing for the good old days of live, local and personality radio!" Since I don't want to hear that "liner card" for the umpteenth time...I'll just echo some of the earlier posters with I TOLD YOU SO!

argytunes
>
 
>
> Would it be so hard to hire a REAL GO-GETTING, fresh outta
> communications college, wanna-be dj for a part time salary
> of $9/hr for a show? 5 hours a day, 5 days a week...it comes
> up to $11,700 a year. Is that really so much? If there is a
> gig, the talent will come.

I woke up at 4am for 10 years, 1991-2001, to do mornings from 5am-11am, sometimes 12noon on Saturdays for 5 bucks an hour. I got one raise of 50 cents in 10 years. Why? I loved it. It was my hobby and I would have done it for free! I'd still being doing it today if I hadn't moved.
 
> ...they have slowly
> moved out the local guys and brought their "Jersey Guys"

So...what does the current management structure look like in both Nassau NH and VT? Who does what...and what is each position responsible for?

Just looking to keep the scorecard straight.
 
> What Nassau fails to realize is that "Frank FM" isn't going
> to work for ALL FORMATS. How come Nassau's market #140 CHR
> (WPST, Trenton NJ) is live for all but overnights, meanwhile
> WJYY, market #168 is voicetracked virtually all the time?

You have to understand that CHR in mkt. 140 you speak of also shows numbers in the Philly market and bills a lot more than stations in markets of that size normally do. The station's cash flow dictates their expenses.

I am not saying that what they have done in NH/VT is right, but you are comparing apples to oranges here.


> Nassau seems to have forgotten that small-town radio is
> where the "kids get their start". Your studios do NOT have
> to be state of the art...at least until your stations are
> profitable.
>

Small town radio, like big city radio is a business, first and foremost...not just a place "where kids get their start." This is how they feel they can minimize cost to get return on investment.


> While with Nassau, I was also onair at a Citadel station in
> market #174 (WFHN, New Bedford, MA). A CHR-R, this station
> is the POSTERCHILD of how a small market station should be
> run. Their music is topical for the market. They hire
> SEVERAL weekenders (6 to be exact) for low wages. Their
> board isn't the newest thing in the world. ENCO is alot
> cheaper than Scott Studios. Liner cards are no where to be
> seen.


FUN 107 is a great radio station that, once again, is a money maker for Citadel. I am sure with their signal strength in Providence, they make some good national/regional money. Apples and oranges.

>
> Where do you think they are in the ratings? The top. By far.
> Do they make money? Yes. How do they do it? Easy. They make
> GOOD RADIO that they can sell.

The station has been a money maker for years, once again...cash flow dictates expenses.


> Nassau is thinking too much with their wallet, and not
> enough with their creative juices. Axing people ad nausem
> all while saying "Hey, we had to buy brand new studios" is
> not the right way. Make the money before you spend it.
> Getting new boards and automation systems in no way affects
> the listener...they just want their station's music
> selection to be great.


If the listener JUST wants the music selection to be great, why does it matter if the jocks are compelling or just read liner cards? Why does it matter if it's live or voicetracked if the JUST want the music selection to be great?



>
> I keep pointing out WJYY because it is by far the most
> blatent offender. Classic Rock stations are not "personality
> stations".

Ummmm...you seem to know a lot about CHR's, to your credit...but I take it you don't listen to a lot of Classic Rock. Classic Rock's should have personality too, and lots of it...it's just not in the same style as CHR. Plus, in a small market, Classic Rock is an easier sell, translation, MORE MONEY. There are only so many National and regional dollars for CHR's in the small markets and it is generally a harder sell locally.


> Bring the PERSONALITY
> back to small-market radio. With personalities come
> listeners, and with listeners comes ratings...that is the
> reason WLNH is billing the best in the cluster...they have
> the ratings and a great personalities. They are somewhat
> live...more so than most of Nassau's other stations.

I could have sworn you stated above that the listener JUST wants the music selection to be great!?! So shouldn't the music selection bring listeners, ratings and money?
 
> > Losing money and respect!

They're also losing listeners.

As far as UV radio, Clear Channel might have kicked local radio around a little bit at one point, but these days they've got their act together - and I respect that.

Nassau has pretty much maimed what they have for stations - or rather, what's left of them. Who's the programmer who oversees these stations, anyway?
 
> > > Losing money and respect!
>
> They're also losing listeners.
>
> As far as UV radio, Clear Channel might have kicked local
> radio around a little bit at one point, but these days
> they've got their act together - and I respect that.
>
> Nassau has pretty much maimed what they have for stations -
> or rather, what's left of them. Who's the programmer who
> oversees these stations, anyway?
>

Good point DOB, however my big girlfriend at cc says she met a Doug Welldon the regional Vermont pd, who formerly worked for cc. Guess he was let go do to bad decision making. She told me she met with him for lunch to discuss her future and the possibility of doing mornings on the Wolf. However she and her large co-host chuckled at the idea, and life goes on. Hope to see everyone together next weekend at the home show. I sure will be making the drive from the farm in Sharon for a little sun, fun, and excitement! wink-wink!

Mary ;)
 
Clarification of several points.

CHR is heavily personality based. Classic rock is not. With EITHER format, voicetracking and linercard reading will get very boring, very fast. Thus, give me some personality.

Why spend money on brand new studios that rival that of Clear Channel Boston's, when you're just going to voicetrack everything? It's spending money for a car, when all you do is bike.

So they feel that they can "save money" by voicetracking every daypart, AND make money? Somethings gotta give. You've gotta spend money to make money.

When it comes to PST and JYY, I am comparing Apples to Apples. They are two small market stations, run COMPLETELY different. PST pulls a 1.1 12+, more than a point below the nearest station. They are not pulling enough weight in Philly to make a huge difference. 'PST's broadcast philosophy is completely different than that of JYY's. It is personality driven radio...it's got some meat and substance. JYY and all of Nassau New England's station have rules set in place by a gentleman in Hooksett saying "just read the liner card, nothing more". That isn't how CHR is run...a successful one anyways. A successful CHR doesn't micromanage, and is live and working the Telos like a pro. Not reading liner cards, doing no phone bits, and voicetracking 20 hours a week. I don't care WHAT your bottom line is, if you aren't willing to put a body behind a microphone, you don't belong in the radio business.

Fun 107, on the other hand, is successful in Providence, pulling reasonable numbers. They don't NEED to have a live weekend staff as deep as they do. If they wanted, they could keep it to one live jock, voicetrack and syndicate the rest. But they realize that that is where radio personalities are born. They have gone from there to achieve amazing things. An employee for a station that doesnt allow you to go live because their part-time budget is $14, the talent leaves there with a resume and no tape.

Finally, music selection. It's pivotal. To Nassau's credit, the Hawk sounds good...good selection. It is kind of tough to botch the format though...you've only had 30 years to come up with a good rotation. CHR, however, it is about getting the new stuff first and paying attention to trends. JYY has kind of been a rap-less, Avril Lavigne station. There was just a long period where rap was the direction to head in Top 40, and JYY didn't follow that. Now, we are starting to creep back into rock with artists like Saving Jane. I think that's why Mix has been taking away JYY's thunder, because they have been first to hit alot of tracks.

Ultimately, a good CHR makes the listener think they are the station GOD listens to. Witty DJ's. Destructively powerful imaging. A request line. Great promotions. At the moment (with the exception of Nazzy who gets to improv a little, and can I say is alot better than the station he is with) the DJ's are robotic liner-card readers forced to voicetrack (not their fault). The request line might as well be an answering machine. Their promotions are everyone elses promotions, and well, their imaging is good. They hit something.

No one in Hooksett really needed to take meter readings on the phone rather than walking to the reader. No one in Hooksett needed digital signage giving weather, time and "whose not onair" warnings. I mean for Christ's sake, Scott Studios is configured to auto-fade.

Something tells me if Nassau were to give ownership and controlling rights of the station to Nazzy or any other member of the station and say "see if you can do better than we have"...you'd see a big change in talent's moral, quality of the broadcast, and sales.

I've never worked for WJYY, but I've always kept an eye on it. It is just a prime example of a "big corporation" wasting un-tapped talent.


> > What Nassau fails to realize is that "Frank FM" isn't
> going
> > to work for ALL FORMATS. How come Nassau's market #140 CHR
>
> > (WPST, Trenton NJ) is live for all but overnights,
> meanwhile
> > WJYY, market #168 is voicetracked virtually all the time?
>
> You have to understand that CHR in mkt. 140 you speak of
> also shows numbers in the Philly market and bills a lot more
> than stations in markets of that size normally do. The
> station's cash flow dictates their expenses.
>
> I am not saying that what they have done in NH/VT is right,
> but you are comparing apples to oranges here.
>
>
> > Nassau seems to have forgotten that small-town radio is
> > where the "kids get their start". Your studios do NOT have
>
> > to be state of the art...at least until your stations are
> > profitable.
> >
>
> Small town radio, like big city radio is a business, first
> and foremost...not just a place "where kids get their
> start." This is how they feel they can minimize cost to get
> return on investment.
>
>
> > While with Nassau, I was also onair at a Citadel station
> in
> > market #174 (WFHN, New Bedford, MA). A CHR-R, this station
>
> > is the POSTERCHILD of how a small market station should be
>
> > run. Their music is topical for the market. They hire
> > SEVERAL weekenders (6 to be exact) for low wages. Their
> > board isn't the newest thing in the world. ENCO is alot
> > cheaper than Scott Studios. Liner cards are no where to be
>
> > seen.
>
>
> FUN 107 is a great radio station that, once again, is a
> money maker for Citadel. I am sure with their signal
> strength in Providence, they make some good
> national/regional money. Apples and oranges.
>
> >
> > Where do you think they are in the ratings? The top. By
> far.
> > Do they make money? Yes. How do they do it? Easy. They
> make
> > GOOD RADIO that they can sell.
>
> The station has been a money maker for years, once
> again...cash flow dictates expenses.
>
>
> > Nassau is thinking too much with their wallet, and not
> > enough with their creative juices. Axing people ad nausem
> > all while saying "Hey, we had to buy brand new studios" is
>
> > not the right way. Make the money before you spend it.
> > Getting new boards and automation systems in no way
> affects
> > the listener...they just want their station's music
> > selection to be great.
>
>
> If the listener JUST wants the music selection to be great,
> why does it matter if the jocks are compelling or just read
> liner cards? Why does it matter if it's live or
> voicetracked if the JUST want the music selection to be
> great?
>
>
>
> >
> > I keep pointing out WJYY because it is by far the most
> > blatent offender. Classic Rock stations are not
> "personality
> > stations".
>
> Ummmm...you seem to know a lot about CHR's, to your
> credit...but I take it you don't listen to a lot of Classic
> Rock. Classic Rock's should have personality too, and lots
> of it...it's just not in the same style as CHR. Plus, in a
> small market, Classic Rock is an easier sell, translation,
> MORE MONEY. There are only so many National and regional
> dollars for CHR's in the small markets and it is generally a
> harder sell locally.
>
>
> > Bring the PERSONALITY
> > back to small-market radio. With personalities come
> > listeners, and with listeners comes ratings...that is the
> > reason WLNH is billing the best in the cluster...they have
>
> > the ratings and a great personalities. They are somewhat
> > live...more so than most of Nassau's other stations.
>
> I could have sworn you stated above that the listener JUST
> wants the music selection to be great!?! So shouldn't the
> music selection bring listeners, ratings and money?
>
<P ID="signature">______________
-TheGuy...InTheRadio</P>
 
Mark Edwards and Michelle...Williams I believe?

I'm just surprised that Nassau NJ has such a different philosophy than New England. It might be a good thing if someone who has had success in Jersey took that same philosophy up here.


> > > Losing money and respect!
>
> They're also losing listeners.
>
> As far as UV radio, Clear Channel might have kicked local
> radio around a little bit at one point, but these days
> they've got their act together - and I respect that.
>
> Nassau has pretty much maimed what they have for stations -
> or rather, what's left of them. Who's the programmer who
> oversees these stations, anyway?
>
<P ID="signature">______________
-TheGuy...InTheRadio</P>
 
> Good point DOB, however my big girlfriend at cc says she met
> a Doug Welldon the regional Vermont pd, who formerly worked
> for cc. Guess he was let go do to bad decision making. She
> told me she met with him for lunch to discuss her future and
> the possibility of doing mornings on the Wolf. However she
> and her large co-host chuckled at the idea, and life goes
> on. Hope to see everyone together next weekend at the home
> show. I sure will be making the drive from the farm in
> Sharon for a little sun, fun, and excitement! wink-wink!
>
> Mary ;)
>
Where did this Doug Welldon come from? It sounds like your big GF probably made her first wise decision in awhile, Mary. In my travels, I've noticed that the UV version of The Wolf sounds just like all the other Nassau-owned "Wolves"; very generic...whereas the other country station 'round these parts is heritage and apparently still #1.
 
> Mark Edwards and Michelle...Williams I believe?
>
> I'm just surprised that Nassau NJ has such a different
> philosophy than New England. It might be a good thing if
> someone who has had success in Jersey took that same
> philosophy up here.

I wonder, and also not quite sure I understand why Nassau NJ's philosophy is so different from Nassau New England?
 
> Clarification of several points.
>
> CHR is heavily personality based. Classic rock is not. With
> EITHER format, voicetracking and linercard reading will get
> very boring, very fast. Thus, give me some personality.

What do mean that Classic Rock is not personality based??? Just becasue the delivery is different, does NOT mean it is not personality based...geez, are you that clueless?? Any station, any format can be personality based. I rember Dan Justin on WHTT back in the day...I hear Dan Justin on WMJX today...completly different delivery, content, etc...but he is STILL full of personality.


>
> Why spend money on brand new studios that rival that of
> Clear Channel Boston's, when you're just going to voicetrack
> everything? It's spending money for a car, when all you do
> is bike.


I have used Audiovault for tracking and Scott Studios for tracking...Scott is a better choice.



> So they feel that they can "save money" by voicetracking
> every daypart, AND make money? Somethings gotta give. You've
> gotta spend money to make money.

While I agree that tracking has caused a lot of good people to lose their jobs...and that sucks...if your station is focused musically, the imaging and flow of your station match what listeners expect from the brand, you can track and be successful.


>
> When it comes to PST and JYY, I am comparing Apples to
> Apples. They are two small market stations, run COMPLETELY
> different. PST pulls a 1.1 12+, more than a point below the
> nearest station. They are not pulling enough weight in
> Philly to make a huge difference. 'PST's broadcast
> philosophy is completely different than that of JYY's. It is
> personality driven radio...it's got some meat and substance.

PST is a completely differnet beast. They have owned the station forever and it has been a money maker forever. Once again, their cash flow dictates their staffing, promotions, etc. Just becasue they are owned by the same company, the history of the station and what the station has done for the company has to be considered.


> JYY and all of Nassau New England's station have rules set
> in place by a gentleman in Hooksett saying "just read the
> liner card, nothing more". That isn't how CHR is run...a
> successful one anyways. A successful CHR doesn't
> micromanage, and is live and working the Telos like a pro.
> Not reading liner cards, doing no phone bits, and
> voicetracking 20 hours a week. I don't care WHAT your bottom
> line is, if you aren't willing to put a body behind a
> microphone, you don't belong in the radio business
>
> Fun 107, on the other hand, is successful in Providence,
> pulling reasonable numbers. They don't NEED to have a live
> weekend staff as deep as they do. If they wanted, they could
> keep it to one live jock, voicetrack and syndicate the rest.
> But they realize that that is where radio personalities are
> born.

Citadel doesn't give a rat's arse about personalities being born, as long as the stock goes up. The PD may care, but NOT the company...and if the company wanted to track, the PD wouldn't have a say.

> They have gone from there to achieve amazing things.
> An employee for a station that doesnt allow you to go live
> because their part-time budget is $14, the talent leaves
> there with a resume and no tape.


I have seen part-timers record their tracks, aircheck with PD's and get other jobs. A break is a break...if it's good, it's good...tracked or live. So this is a weak argument. If you have talent, you can showcase it via vocietracking.


>
> Finally, music selection. It's pivotal. To Nassau's credi
> the Hawk sounds good...good selection. It is kind of tough
> to botch the format though...you've only had 30 years to
> come up with a good rotation.

Wow, just like the comment about Classic Rock and personality, you CAN screw up Classic Rock. That is a very ignorant comment to every Classic Rock PD.


> CHR, however, it is about
> getting the new stuff first and paying attention to trends.

No, it's about playing the BEST testing records, period. There are exceptions to that rule, but those exceptions are few anf far between.


> JYY has kind of been a rap-less, Avril Lavigne station.


To use your PST/JYY comparison...this station you claim gets so much more is even SAFER than JYY. Look up their playlist on mediabse.


> There was just a long period where rap was the direction to
> head in Top 40, and JYY didn't follow that. Now, we are
> starting to creep back into rock with artists like Saving
> Jane. I think that's why Mix has been taking away JYY's
> thunder, because they have been first to hit alot of tracks.
>
>
> Ultimately, a good CHR makes the listener think they are the
> station GOD listens to. Witty DJ's. Destructively powerful
> imaging. A request line. Great promotions.

Let me hit these one at a time:

Witty DJ's - yes, I'l,l give you that, as long as it is within the format. Have you ever read diary comments at Arbitron? Too much talk can kill you, regardless of content.

Powerful imaging - some of the BEST segues on KISS 108 are the dry liners over song intros...just as effective as an in-your-face sweeper produced by Jeff Berlin. Imaging is important, it just doesn't need to be "destructive" to be effective. PST's imaging is pretty safe, not destructive.

A request line - Remember, less than 1% of you audience call the studio line for requests...the percentage is a little higher for promotions.

Promotions - yes, they can be effective and important to the success of a radio station.


> Something tells me if Nassau were to give ownership and
> controlling rights of the station to Nazzy or any other
> member of the station and say "see if you can do better than
> we have"...you'd see a big change in talent's moral, quality
> of the broadcast, and sales.

That's the problem, no one GIVES ownership of a station away. A company PAYS to own a radio station and they have a plan for future success. Look at the way CC got kicked around on this board for years. No one agreed with their plan and now they have turned that stations around, hiring more people, broadcating to the community, etc...give Nassau the same amount of time and I am sure things will be better.
 
I agree with alot of what you have to say...although Classic Rock...there are no adds really to speak of. Once you get a good formula, you just keep that formula.

No matter what you say, though, I think voicetracking 20 hours a day is horrendous. And getting repremanded for going "off script" is also equally horrendous. Station and company moral is in the garbage...I dunno if it can ever pick up and become successful, at least with the current crew in charge.


> > Clarification of several points.
> >
> > CHR is heavily personality based. Classic rock is not.
> With
> > EITHER format, voicetracking and linercard reading will
> get
> > very boring, very fast. Thus, give me some personality.
>
> What do mean that Classic Rock is not personality based???
> Just becasue the delivery is different, does NOT mean it is
> not personality based...geez, are you that clueless?? Any
> station, any format can be personality based. I rember Dan
> Justin on WHTT back in the day...I hear Dan Justin on WMJX
> today...completly different delivery, content, etc...but he
> is STILL full of personality.
>
>
> >
> > Why spend money on brand new studios that rival that of
> > Clear Channel Boston's, when you're just going to
> voicetrack
> > everything? It's spending money for a car, when all you do
>
> > is bike.
>
>
> I have used Audiovault for tracking and Scott Studios for
> tracking...Scott is a better choice.
>
>
>
> > So they feel that they can "save money" by voicetracking
> > every daypart, AND make money? Somethings gotta give.
> You've
> > gotta spend money to make money.
>
> While I agree that tracking has caused a lot of good people
> to lose their jobs...and that sucks...if your station is
> focused musically, the imaging and flow of your station
> match what listeners expect from the brand, you can track
> and be successful.
>
>
> >
> > When it comes to PST and JYY, I am comparing Apples to
> > Apples. They are two small market stations, run COMPLETELY
>
> > different. PST pulls a 1.1 12+, more than a point below
> the
> > nearest station. They are not pulling enough weight in
> > Philly to make a huge difference. 'PST's broadcast
> > philosophy is completely different than that of JYY's. It
> is
> > personality driven radio...it's got some meat and
> substance.
>
> PST is a completely differnet beast. They have owned the
> station forever and it has been a money maker forever. Once
> again, their cash flow dictates their staffing, promotions,
> etc. Just becasue they are owned by the same company, the
> history of the station and what the station has done for the
> company has to be considered.
>
>
> > JYY and all of Nassau New England's station have rules set
>
> > in place by a gentleman in Hooksett saying "just read the
> > liner card, nothing more". That isn't how CHR is run...a
> > successful one anyways. A successful CHR doesn't
> > micromanage, and is live and working the Telos like a pro.
>
> > Not reading liner cards, doing no phone bits, and
> > voicetracking 20 hours a week. I don't care WHAT your
> bottom
> > line is, if you aren't willing to put a body behind a
> > microphone, you don't belong in the radio business
> >
> > Fun 107, on the other hand, is successful in Providence,
> > pulling reasonable numbers. They don't NEED to have a live
>
> > weekend staff as deep as they do. If they wanted, they
> could
> > keep it to one live jock, voicetrack and syndicate the
> rest.
> > But they realize that that is where radio personalities
> are
> > born.
>
> Citadel doesn't give a rat's arse about personalities being
> born, as long as the stock goes up. The PD may care, but
> NOT the company...and if the company wanted to track, the PD
> wouldn't have a say.
>
> > They have gone from there to achieve amazing things.
> > An employee for a station that doesnt allow you to go live
>
> > because their part-time budget is $14, the talent leaves
> > there with a resume and no tape.
>
>
> I have seen part-timers record their tracks, aircheck with
> PD's and get other jobs. A break is a break...if it's good,
> it's good...tracked or live. So this is a weak argument.
> If you have talent, you can showcase it via vocietracking.
>
>
> >
> > Finally, music selection. It's pivotal. To Nassau's credi
> > the Hawk sounds good...good selection. It is kind of tough
>
> > to botch the format though...you've only had 30 years to
> > come up with a good rotation.
>
> Wow, just like the comment about Classic Rock and
> personality, you CAN screw up Classic Rock. That is a very
> ignorant comment to every Classic Rock PD.
>
>
> > CHR, however, it is about
> > getting the new stuff first and paying attention to
> trends.
>
> No, it's about playing the BEST testing records, period.
> There are exceptions to that rule, but those exceptions are
> few anf far between.
>
>
> > JYY has kind of been a rap-less, Avril Lavigne station.
>
>
> To use your PST/JYY comparison...this station you claim gets
> so much more is even SAFER than JYY. Look up their playlist
> on mediabse.
>
>
> > There was just a long period where rap was the direction
> to
> > head in Top 40, and JYY didn't follow that. Now, we are
> > starting to creep back into rock with artists like Saving
> > Jane. I think that's why Mix has been taking away JYY's
> > thunder, because they have been first to hit alot of
> tracks.
> >
> >
> > Ultimately, a good CHR makes the listener think they are
> the
> > station GOD listens to. Witty DJ's. Destructively powerful
>
> > imaging. A request line. Great promotions.
>
> Let me hit these one at a time:
>
> Witty DJ's - yes, I'l,l give you that, as long as it is
> within the format. Have you ever read diary comments at
> Arbitron? Too much talk can kill you, regardless of
> content.
>
> Powerful imaging - some of the BEST segues on KISS 108 are
> the dry liners over song intros...just as effective as an
> in-your-face sweeper produced by Jeff Berlin. Imaging is
> important, it just doesn't need to be "destructive" to be
> effective. PST's imaging is pretty safe, not destructive.
>
> A request line - Remember, less than 1% of you audience call
> the studio line for requests...the percentage is a little
> higher for promotions.
>
> Promotions - yes, they can be effective and important to the
> success of a radio station.
>
>
> > Something tells me if Nassau were to give ownership and
> > controlling rights of the station to Nazzy or any other
> > member of the station and say "see if you can do better
> than
> > we have"...you'd see a big change in talent's moral,
> quality
> > of the broadcast, and sales.
>
> That's the problem, no one GIVES ownership of a station
> away. A company PAYS to own a radio station and they have a
> plan for future success. Look at the way CC got kicked
> around on this board for years. No one agreed with their
> plan and now they have turned that stations around, hiring
> more people, broadcating to the community, etc...give Nassau
> the same amount of time and I am sure things will be better.
>
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New England is voicetrack central. New Jersey not so much.
New England writes liner-cards for every break. New Jersey can improv a little.

Taking a look at the ratings there as compared to here will also give you an idea.


> > Mark Edwards and Michelle...Williams I believe?
> >
> > I'm just surprised that Nassau NJ has such a different
> > philosophy than New England. It might be a good thing if
> > someone who has had success in Jersey took that same
> > philosophy up here.
>
> I wonder, and also not quite sure I understand why Nassau
> NJ's philosophy is so different from Nassau New England?
>
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> I agree with alot of what you have to say...although Classic
> Rock...there are no adds really to speak of. Once you get a
> good formula, you just keep that formula.

That's what makes Classic Rock hard to program...how do you keep it sounding fresh and exciting when you don't have adds??


>
> No matter what you say, though, I think voicetracking 20
> hours a day is horrendous. And getting repremanded for going
> "off script" is also equally horrendous. Station and company
> moral is in the garbage...I dunno if it can ever pick up and
> become successful, at least with the current crew in charge.
>

Don't get me wrong, I am not a fan of voicetracking, but it's all in how you use it. As for getting your willy spanked for deviating from a liner card, I agree with you 100%, that sucks!?!
 
> > Mark Edwards and Michelle...Williams I believe?
> >
> > I'm just surprised that Nassau NJ has such a different
> > philosophy than New England. It might be a good thing if
> > someone who has had success in Jersey took that same
> > philosophy up here.
>
> I wonder, and also not quite sure I understand why Nassau
> NJ's philosophy is so different from Nassau New England?
>
There's a huge difference in population.Trenton may be a small market but check the population figures.
 
Yeah making a joke about how cold it is doesn't deserve a talking to...

Haha willy.


> > I agree with alot of what you have to say...although
> Classic
> > Rock...there are no adds really to speak of. Once you get
> a
> > good formula, you just keep that formula.
>
> That's what makes Classic Rock hard to program...how do you
> keep it sounding fresh and exciting when you don't have
> adds??
>
>
> >
> > No matter what you say, though, I think voicetracking 20
> > hours a day is horrendous. And getting repremanded for
> going
> > "off script" is also equally horrendous. Station and
> company
> > moral is in the garbage...I dunno if it can ever pick up
> and
> > become successful, at least with the current crew in
> charge.
> >
>
> Don't get me wrong, I am not a fan of voicetracking, but
> it's all in how you use it. As for getting your willy
> spanked for deviating from a liner card, I agree with you
> 100%, that sucks!?!
>
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> > Good point DOB, however my big girlfriend at cc says she
> met
> > a Doug Welldon the regional Vermont pd, who formerly
> worked
> > for cc. Guess he was let go do to bad decision making.
> She
> > told me she met with him for lunch to discuss her future
> and
> > the possibility of doing mornings on the Wolf. However
> she
> > and her large co-host chuckled at the idea, and life goes
> > on. Hope to see everyone together next weekend at the home
>
> > show. I sure will be making the drive from the farm in
> > Sharon for a little sun, fun, and excitement! wink-wink!
> >
> > Mary ;)
> >
> Where did this Doug Welldon come from? It sounds like your
> big GF probably made her first wise decision in awhile,
> Mary. In my travels, I've noticed that the UV version of
> The Wolf sounds just like all the other Nassau-owned
> "Wolves"; very generic...whereas the other country station
> 'round these parts is heritage and apparently still #1.
>

Anyone know how the Vermont properties Nassau owns are doing ? The biggest things that I have noticed when listening, especially to Imus:
On WHDQ - Playing music, as in full 3:30 songs that are not fed on the network. That tells me right off that they are not selling (or overselling in the Vox days) the I-Dude out.
WEXP / Oy Vay (That's WVAY) - Very, very long intros into Imus, lots of valuable commercial time wasted away.

How's the Barre stations doing, especially that WORK-FM is basically now a "Hot AC" from last listen. I'm sure Froggy is doing quite well. How about Oldies 104 and 95.3 "The (Rob) Wolf ?
 
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