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National EAS tests

Inside Radio is reporting today that there is a bill now in Congress to mandate National EAS tests,
every 3 years. So far, there has only been a single national test of the system, and it was not
without "issues". The weekly tests are tones only, the monthly tests include a voice. I would
recommend that ALL monthly tests in the future should be national, in their scale. If the system
is to be viable, wouldn't it be prudent to know that it actually works, the way it is intended to
do so? To those of you in the industry - your thoughts...
 
So far, there has only been a single national test of the system, and it was not
without "issues".

Heh! That's putting it kindly!

Frankly, the whole system just needs to be scrapped. It's digital technology slapped on top of a Cold War-era platform, and it's proven to be barely useable in the local realm, let alone nationally. This idea that emergency messages in digital format on an analog platform is workable is ridiculous. It's never going to be the system that it was intended to be, it's simply not technologically possible. And while it's lingering in limbo, other technologies are already taking its place, like the Wireless Emergency Alerts program, which sends emergency texts to cell phones based on their closest tower. Or the Reverse 911 system. Both are still being rolled out on a wider basis, but they're far more effective than TV or radio ever will be, because who these days doesn't have a phone on them at all times? And who's keeping the TV or radio on 24/7?

No, national tests are a waste of time. It's time to just admit this thing is a total failure and that the marketplace has moved on.
 
Heh! That's putting it kindly!

Frankly, the whole system just needs to be scrapped. It's digital technology slapped on top of a Cold War-era platform, and it's proven to be barely useable in the local realm, let alone nationally. This idea that emergency messages in digital format on an analog platform is workable is ridiculous. It's never going to be the system that it was intended to be, it's simply not technologically possible. And while it's lingering in limbo, other technologies are already taking its place, like the Wireless Emergency Alerts program, which sends emergency texts to cell phones based on their closest tower. Or the Reverse 911 system. Both are still being rolled out on a wider basis, but they're far more effective than TV or radio ever will be, because who these days doesn't have a phone on them at all times? And who's keeping the TV or radio on 24/7?

No, national tests are a waste of time. It's time to just admit this thing is a total failure and that the marketplace has moved on.

The idea is to be able to conduct alerts using every single communication method. Not everyone is always watching TV or listening to the radio, just as not everyone has a cellular phone and not everyone has it "on them" all the time.

This is why in tornado country, they still have alert sirens, a technology that is nearly a century old. And that is why sirens are also part of the earthquake early warning system being developed in California.
 
We're talking about the government here, not the marketplace.

It's government-led initiative developing the platform, but it's the marketplace that chose what technology takes priority in their lives. Why do you think the radio industry is so insanely adamant about getting FM chips in cell phones? It's because that's where the people are. The marketplace made that choice, not the government.
 
There are issues with the test even without it being a national test.

Last year I was listening to "BOMBA-FM" here in CT and they did the test. And when the test was finished instead of going back to BOMBA's programming it stayed relaying whatever station they use to broadcast the test from. Whatever station it was the music was all distorted. It stayed that for a good 5 mins. Then again there were the EAS tones and at that point the BOMBA programming resumed.

Then a few weeks ago I was watching ESCAPE TV (WFSB 3.2) and they were scrolling on the screen about a Flood Warning for the Connecticut River and instead of saying message from WFSB it gave the calls of what I assume is another Merideth station. (One that begins with a "K").
 
It's government-led initiative developing the platform, but it's the marketplace that chose what technology takes priority in their lives.

That has no effect on the government. If the government operated based on market forces, it would shut itself down. Then when it does, people freak out.
 
That has no effect on the government. If the government operated based on market forces, it would shut itself down. Then when it does, people freak out.

That's not true at all, the marketplace has a very significant effect on the government, because the government has to spend the people's money in an effective way. At least that's how it's supposed to work, not to say that they abdicate that responsibility at every turn. But I'm not going to just resign myself to the idea that they'll just keep on pushing a failed system. At some point in the near future, it needs to be put out of our misery.
 
That's not true at all, the marketplace has a very significant effect on the government, because the government has to spend the people's money in an effective way.

I haven't read the proposed bill. But the report in the OP doesn't say anything about appropriating any money for this. AFAIK, they'll just make stations responsible. BTW, so far it's just passed in the committee. It has a long way to go before it becomes law.

As far as pushing a failed system, there are lots of obsolete laws on the books dealing with lots of obsolete technologies. And the government has paid for a lot of very expensive hammers and toilet seats.
 
Yes, because sirens actually work. The EAS? ...eh, not so much.

Tell that to the parents of all the children recovered via Amber alerts.

Or the folks who have been warned about flash floods and tornados by local alerts.

The system works. The problems have generally been traceable to the government agencies responsible for implementation and activation.

The classic example is the "Minot Fail" where the local stations were 100% EAS equipped and activated but the local authorities did not have the knowledge, training and intelligence to actually activate the system.
 
But I'm not going to just resign myself to the idea that they'll just keep on pushing a failed system. At some point in the near future, it needs to be put out of our misery.

Or, like the CONELRAD to EBS transition and the EBS to EAS transition, it needs to be technically updated for improvement and, possibly closer integration with new media alert methods.
 
The classic example is the "Minot Fail" where the local stations were 100% EAS equipped and activated but the local authorities did not have the knowledge, training and intelligence to actually activate the system.

The funny part about that is they had Congressional hearings on that specific incident when it happened, and when they discovered that the problem was on the government side, they stopped investigating. Nothing was done to fix the system, but the problems still exist.
 
The funny part about that is they had Congressional hearings on that specific incident when it happened, and when they discovered that the problem was on the government side, they stopped investigating. Nothing was done to fix the system, but the problems still exist.

... and since the system will always be government administered and dependent on inter-agency coordination at the national, regional, state and local levels, it will always have problems. And by the time the identified problems are resolved, new ones will develop.
 
EAS is a joke, if the FCC spent as much time trying to fix it as they did N.A.L.'ing stations for violating the "voluntary participation" thing we'd all be better off

7 watt WLZY went dark rather than spend the money on upgrading their EAS into compliance..remember they are a station with about a 2 mile radius of coverage, as in they barely cover their C.O.L.. Now they are "web only" broadcasters.

When a station is voice tracked, or running automated with nobody at the station or board what good is it to have a EAS alert , or Amber Alert if there is nobody there to crack the mic and repeat it every 10 minutes or so until the danger has passed

The N.W.S. sends an alert down for severe thunderstorm warnings, tornado warnings, etc., the receiving station's EAS monitor grabs the air chain and plays the announcement, the end tones release the air chain and the Smartcaster or other automation system keeps playing breaks that were recorded 2 days ago.

The end of the world could be 5 minutes away, and unless a National or State agency resends the message or updates it, nobody that tuned in 3 seconds after the last message aired is going to know here is a problem, and nobody is there at the station to pass on information from local authorities. That is why MANY municipalities have their own reverse 911 systems to attempt to communicate with the local population. It is certainly more effective than radio broadcast EAS alerts.

And I don't want to hear crap about how we need the FM radio chips activated in smart phones. There are already emergency notifications sent to cell phones that are far superior and have better penetration than EAS could ever hope to have.

rant over
 
When a station is voice tracked, or running automated with nobody at the station or board what good is it to have a EAS alert , or Amber Alert if there is nobody there to crack the mic and repeat it every 10 minutes or so until the danger has passed

The EAS system bypasses the board and goes straight on the air automatically, and doesn't need an operator to actuate.
 
This is a national story which has little to do with the Boston market. That's why I've moved it to the National Radio forum.
 
It amazes me that the reasoning was given for going from EBS to EAS was the public had become so insensitive to the EBS tone it was ineffective. Then, instead of lowering the frequency of tests, kept them the same. The EAS is almost equal to the car alarm.

When I started in radio, a direction AM had to have a 1st ticket at the station at all times and meter readings were every 30 minutes. That was because of technology at the time. These days our equipment is more stable, reliable and long lasting without the maintenance it required even a few decades ago.

The weekly EAS is nonsensical. EAS equipment is stable and reliable. A monthly test should suffice. And there is no reason it must be anything other than internal. Quite frankly, if an EAS is properly configured in the audio chain, unless you have rats or other animals, that audio chain is not going to change. Let's get real. That electrical wiring to your light switch is not going away and doesn't need to be looked at or tested weekly. My point is if things are assembled properly you don't need to check it that frequently. The rules as they are only make EAS more ineffective. Equipment is simply more reliable now. Just look through that mound of paperwork showing your weekly and monthly tests and ask yourself how often your EAS did not work properly.

I wonder just how important EAS is today, except maybe on a local basis. Think back to 9-11. Media was on that instantly and if the president wanted to go on the air I bet all the networks would have been trying to beat each one out by a second or two to get him on the air.

I question whether EAS can do better than what today's media can do in a timely fashion. Obviously the national test was horrible. It showed just how ineffective it would be in a real crisis. If changes need to be instituted, it should start at the top.

Even looking at local emergencies, the information chain works pretty flawlessly without the EAS. Oklahoma City's tornadoes and flooding rains on May 6 give a good example. Media was all over it, well organized and detailed without ever having to run a tone. Even the National Weather Service issued the first ever Flash Flood Emergency for Oklahoma and it was communicated frequently and effectively without EAS being involved at all, although it was obviously activated. It was even explained this was the rare step up over a warning just as the Tornado Emergency exceeds the Tornado Warning.

I think the hard question is how does the EAS exceed and better communicate information than the media already does?

Certainly, how we get warnings has changed. Radio, TV and cable TV might be viable, but we need to look at the device instead of the product received on the device. What good is the car audio system when the radio is off, when the cell phone is off, etc. If you're listening to your device via your car radio, the manufacturer should have a way to override the device to broadcast a real emergency, not a test. Same with the 'off' cell phone. It should turn on and give the emergency message (not a darn Amber alert at 3 am). By requiring the content providers versus the manufacturers to do more is simply wrongheaded thinking. Those thinking EAS need to look at the ways to reach as much of the population regardless of the device and how to do that when one specific device may not be in use (ie: radio, TV, cable, phone, etc.).

As was pointed out, redundant ways to reach all people is needed. Just like the tornado siren that is old school, the idea is to get everyone to hear. How do we do that with EAS and not wear out its effectiveness through over use of tests?
 
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PS one of my houses is within the 10 mile radius around the Plymouth Nuke plant, and we still have periodic tests of the sirens... an almost foolproof warning system.

At my house in Florida, I am in a "gated community", and because we are a golf course with houses, there are lightning detection and warning systems and they to are siren based. They work pretty well too.

And for those of us of a certain age, the fire whistle going off at (in my case) 9 PM was a way to check your watch and their way of testing the system to summon call firemen. It was also used to cancel school.... Box 33 at 7 AM... 3 blasts pause 3 blasts
 
Cell phone networks can get overwhelmed. Prolonged power failures can wreak havoc on them. Internet connections can go down. Sirens - sure, if you are very local - within earshot. Obviously, getting the word out through all available means is the way to go. What I am saying, specifically about the EAS system, is that regularly testing it nationally BECAUSE the one national test did not go well, will help get the bugs out of the existing system.
 
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