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National Public Radio Journalist Believes That NPR Listening Demographics Have Changed And...

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I’m not sure if I would be able to dig through and find a video clip, but it was a panel with Rachel Maddow (and some of the other hosts) talking the audience through what was going on with Trump during the trial. Someone brought up how he’s surely facing psychological torture (while having a giant smirk on his face). I thought that was a bit much.

Fair enough. I would have bristled a bit if I'd seen that.

I know for sure NPR wouldn’t phrase it that way (so I will tip my hat to them for doing what they can to not cheer for someone else’s misfortune).

They wouldn't, but then NPR does very little ad-libbing, whereas in a panel discussion, it's virtually all ad-lib.

Also, without robbing the former president of his presumption of innocence, landing in court on 34 felony counts involving paying hush money to a porn star and another woman and fraudulent bookkeeping to cover up the payments might stretch the definition of "misfortune".
 
I won’t say too much else. I like you, Michael. Hopefully that feeling is mutual and me not talking politics too much keeps it that way (lol)
I'm thinking the same thing. I'm regretting having entered this discussion in the first place at this point because I greatly respect many of the folks in this thread (I've been reading posts from them here for years and know they are deeply knowledgable in radio and beyond) and do not want to sour things.

As I said above, this thread has given me a lot to think about. Many of my views and opinions of the world are still in formation (as they ought to be for a college student) and I appreciate the level-headed responses here.
 
They wouldn't, but then NPR does very little ad-libbing, whereas in a panel discussion, it's virtually all ad-lib.
This is an area where NPR definitely does deserve credit. Though their overall writing style might not be to everyone's taste, they do write and edit very well as an organization.
 
And the editing standards are extremely high and very exacting. The toughest edits of my career came when I would file a national story from Sacramento for NPR.
It shows. While I may not always agree with exactly what they have to say, there's no question they say what they say in a very articulate manner. Certainly better than just about any other reporting service I can think of (I think AP does a pretty good job there, too, textually at least). I just hopped on NPR's website and read through a few articles there. They are very well edited. This is an area where other organizations should be striving to improve to NPR's standard. It's impressive!

I'm curious - can you shed some light on what their editorial process is?
 
And the editing standards are extremely high and very exacting. The toughest edits of my career came when I would file a national story from Sacramento for NPR.
Very much so! Nothing gets on NPR's national air without going through at least two layers of editing. The editors there go over linguistic standards, question sourcing, and often make stories so much better and clearer as a result.
 
I'm curious - can you shed some light on what their editorial process is?

Sure.

Generally, I'd either get a call from NPR's news desk or my editor would---letting me know NPR was interested in my story.

Step one, in the initial call with an NPR editor, would be a thorough review of what material I had---provable facts, audio (news conference, one-on-one interviews, ambient sound) and what the audience needed to know for today's story to have relevance and make sense to them.

NPR's newscasts are very precisely timed. So there's a target for different types of stories and in that call, the determination is made as to what type or types of story you'll be filing---cut-and-copy, where the NPR anchor reads the story and plays soundbites, a voicer, which the reporter records, a wrap, which is a voicer with soundbites, or a feature.

The editor tells you what they need from you in terms of type of story and length, and you begin the writing process. Generally, there's a time at which you've agreed to have the first draft to the editor by e-mail or file transfer (usually 45 minutes to an hour, but if it's breaking news, that timeline could be much shorter---not always, though---NPR vastly prefers being right to being first, to the point that they're okay with being last).

Step two is the editor reviewing the written copy, which will have the NPR anchor's lead-in, your narration and soundbites (written out verbatim and sometimes with additional sound from around that soundbite so the editor is clear on the context of the soundbite), and anchor tag if necessary.

Step three is a back-and-forth process with the editor. Here, literally every word counts. For example, if this were an edit, what I've just written would look like this:

Step three is a back-and-forth process collaboration with the editor. Here, literally every Every word counts matters.

I always think I'm good at precise language and self-editing. And then I have an NPR edit (well, not anymore, but...).

There's always a way to be more clear. There's always a way to say more with fewer words. Sometimes that involves a soundbite that you weren't going to use that makes the point more economically than your narration. There's always an adjective lurking that doesn't need to be there (all deadly accidents are tragic).

Step four happens once the copy is finalized. The editor phones and you read it out loud for timing, with the editor adding in the ambient sound and soundbites, as well as the anchor lead-in and tag (if any). If it's short (which almost never happens), you discuss whether anything didn't make the cut that could add substance and clarity and find a way to bring it back in. If it's long (more often than not), then you and the editor discuss where you can cut the already-edited copy without losing facts, context or clarity.

Step five is recording the piece and sending it via FTP to NPR. The editor and the producer listen to it and you're either good or not. "Not" sometimes involves a slurred or mistaken word, a bit of dyslexia that gets a word or phrase out of sequence, a mispronunciation or a misplaced emphasis on a given word. In which case, they let you know and you go back to the booth to do it again.

There is no "close enough" or "good enough" when it comes to filing for NPR. In my career, I've filed for CBS and ABC TV network and O&Os. They were thorough, but not NPR thorough.
 
Sure.

Generally, I'd either get a call from NPR's news desk or my editor would---letting me know NPR was interested in my story.

Step one, in the initial call with an NPR editor, would be a thorough review of what material I had---provable facts, audio (news conference, one-on-one interviews, ambient sound) and what the audience needed to know for today's story to have relevance and make sense to them.

NPR's newscasts are very precisely timed. So there's a target for different types of stories and in that call, the determination is made as to what type or types of story you'll be filing---cut-and-copy, where the NPR anchor reads the story and plays soundbites, a voicer, which the reporter records, a wrap, which is a voicer with soundbites, or a feature.

The editor tells you what they need from you in terms of type of story and length, and you begin the writing process. Generally, there's a time at which you've agreed to have the first draft to the editor by e-mail or file transfer (usually 45 minutes to an hour, but if it's breaking news, that timeline could be much shorter---not always, though---NPR vastly prefers being right to being first, to the point that they're okay with being last).

Step two is the editor reviewing the written copy, which will have the NPR anchor's lead-in, your narration and soundbites (written out verbatim and sometimes with additional sound from around that soundbite so the editor is clear on the context of the soundbite), and anchor tag if necessary.

Step three is a back-and-forth process with the editor. Here, literally every word counts. For example, if this were an edit, what I've just written would look like this:

Step three is a back-and-forth process collaboration with the editor. Here, literally every Every word counts matters.

I always think I'm good at precise language and self-editing. And then I have an NPR edit (well, not anymore, but...).

There's always a way to be more clear. There's always a way to say more with fewer words. There's always an adjective lurking that doesn't need to be there (all deadly accidents are tragic).

Step four happens once the copy is finalized. The editor phones and you read it out loud for timing, with the editor adding in the ambient sound and soundbites, as well as the anchor lead-in and tag (if any). If it's short (which almost never happens), you discuss whether anything didn't make the cut that could add substance and clarity and find a way to bring it back in. If it's long (more often than not), then you and the editor discuss where you can cut the already-edited copy without losing facts, context or clarity.

Step five is recording the piece and sending it via FTP to NPR. The editor and the producer listen to it and you're either good or not. "Not" sometimes involves a slurred or mistaken word, a bit of dyslexia that gets a word or phrase out of sequence, a mispronunciation or a misplaced emphasis on a given word. In which case, they let you know and you go back to the booth to do it again.

There is no "close enough" or "good enough" when it comes to filing for NPR. In my career, I've filed for CBS and ABC TV network and O&Os. They were thorough, but not NPR thorough.
Wow - I am impressed. Thanks for taking the time to write out such a detailed account, Michael - I appreciate the behind-the-scenes view. No doubt they have a very thorough process for their newscasts - definitely different than the small-market newsrooms I've been in. It explains why everything is articulated so well in their newscasts. That's a lot of back and forth and time devoted to a single story, and is the way it should be.

When you were writing for NPR, did you work for them or as a freelance writer who they would contract with for stories, or something else entirely?
 
When you were writing for NPR, did you work for them or as a freelance writer who they would contract with for stories, or something else entirely?

From July 2020 to October of 2023, I was the afternoon news anchor for KXJZ (90.9) in Sacramento, known as Capital Public Radio (or CapRadio), an NPR member station. In addition to anchoring, I'd cover stories (small newsroom---we all pitched in).

In October of 2023, budget cuts caused the station to end its practice of having separate program hosts and news anchors. I was offered the role of lead story reporter, fill-in host for mornings and afternoons as well as fill-in host for our one-hour daily live and local discussion show, Insight. I accepted, had a lot of fun and I think did some of my best work.

During the holidays, my wife and I, who had been discussing retirement for two years, decided that being 2,500 miles away from the grandkids at Christmas (they had lived only 10 minutes from us until Mom and Dad got job offers they'd have been crazy to pass up) was not fun at all---and our love of travel far exceeded CapRadio's generous vacation policy (three weeks plus 14 paid holidays).

So, even though I was enjoying myself, I gave a month's notice on January 2, and retired January 31.
 
From July 2020 to October of 2023, I was the afternoon news anchor for KXJZ (90.9) in Sacramento, known as Capital Public Radio (or CapRadio), an NPR member station. In addition to anchoring, I'd cover stories (small newsroom---we all pitched in).

In October of 2023, budget cuts caused the station to end its practice of having separate program hosts and news anchors. I was offered the role of lead story reporter, fill-in host for mornings and afternoons as well as fill-in host for our one-hour daily live and local discussion show, Insight. I accepted, had a lot of fun and I think did some of my best work.

During the holidays, my wife and I, who had been discussing retirement for two years, decided that being 2,500 miles away from the grandkids at Christmas (they had lived only 10 minutes from us until Mom and Dad got job offers they'd have been crazy to pass up) was not fun at all---and our love of travel far exceeded CapRadio's generous vacation policy (three weeks plus 14 paid holidays).

So, even though I was enjoying myself, I gave a month's notice on January 2, and retired January 31.
Very neat; sounds like an enjoyable job! And congratulations on your retirement, too.

By the way, I've long thought that your writing here is very concise and well worded. It makes sense, considering your journalism experience.
 
OK I go with Project Veritas as my first pick given their history to go after anybody not tied to Trump. Also James O'Keefe goes after anybody that is not tied to Trump. Heck Project Veritas even had a history of going after a local Fox O&O News director one time for not going with the GOP Party line one time.




I remember Veritas doing an "undercover report" to "prove" there were people at CNN who didn't like Trump. They might have caught the lunch thief.
 
Las Vegas odds as to what right-wing network he ends up on? There will also likely be a book deal.



How about this one Elon Musk gets Uri Berliner to do a show on X. Yes this is given that Elon Musk has a history of making false claims about NPR right when Reuters exposed Musk for Toxic Work culture at SpaceX and Tesla.
 
To add to Michael, NPR member stations can be asked to help cover a story for the network. So if you work anywhere in the system there is a chance -- a small chance -- that your work could be featured on the network. When I worked at a small market NPR member several years ago, I only recall one time our work was carried on the network, a feature on archaeology that aired on All Things Considered.

NPR has a bureau in San Francisco and one in in Los Angeles (technically Culver City), but Capital Public Radio has often covered the California statehouse on behalf of NPR. Many other state capitols are covered in this way... Virginia by Vermont Public, Texas by KUT/Austin, and Tennessee by WPLN/Nashville.

You know it is a member station report because the newscaster or host always reads an introduction like this:
"A train carrying diesel fuel derailed in an Indiana town Tuesday morning, igniting a deadly fire. From member station WFIU in Bloomington, Indiana, David Johnson reports"

Otherwise it would be "NPR's Doualy Xaykaothao has more from Seoul"
 
To add to Michael, NPR member stations can be asked to help cover a story for the network. So if you work anywhere in the system there is a chance -- a small chance -- that your work could be featured on the network. When I worked at a small market NPR member several years ago, I only recall one time our work was carried on the network, a feature on archaeology that aired on All Things Considered.

NPR has a bureau in San Francisco and one in in Los Angeles (technically Culver City), but Capital Public Radio has often covered the California statehouse on behalf of NPR. Many other state capitols are covered in this way... Virginia by Vermont Public, Texas by KUT/Austin, and Tennessee by WPLN/Nashville.

You know it is a member station report because the newscaster or host always reads an introduction like this:
"A train carrying diesel fuel derailed in an Indiana town Tuesday morning, igniting a deadly fire. From member station WFIU in Bloomington, Indiana, David Johnson reports"

Otherwise it would be "NPR's Doualy Xaykaothao has more from Seoul"
The NPR Bureau in San Francisco is most likely a reporter from KQED and their statewide segment called "California Report"

Note even "California Report on KQED Radio" gets reporters from other NPR affiliates from other parts of California to cover stories of statewide interest like from KPCC Los Angeles, KPBS San Diego and KXJZ Sacramento.


 
Go back and look at that graph. There's a huge spike in listenership in 2016 and 2017, with numbers declining, but still higher than 2015 and before, in 2018 and 2019.

The better question might be what caused the spike.
My guess: the Trump effect. And 2016 was an election year, of course.
 
Fact based reporting is about facts. The moment editorializing begins, it is editorial and no longer fact based reporting. Trying to link a particular set of facts to another unrelated thing is... not fact based reporting. Sorry, but it just isn't. It is editorial. And biased editorial at that. My beliefs about climate change, race, or whatever else do not factor into this at all.

Actually, I'm a young guy, who's political beliefs are still very much in formation. What helps form those? Factual reporting. What does not help is editorial. I can make my own connections and don't need (nor really want to spend my time) hearing what some pundit has to say. But I can only do that with the facts in front of me.

And lemme be straight - I'm not a fan of the way right-leaning news organizations editorialize, either. I've mentioned NPR because this thread is about them. Nothing I've said about NPR is unique to them. Fox, MSNBC, Newsmax, CNN... they're all just as guilty.

And here's something from long, long ago that, IMO, is an excellent example of just-the-facts reporting, with very little spin, if any: this 1982 WLS Chicago Eyewitness News Tonight (Monday, Jan. 11, 1982) about the record cold in the Windy City, among other subjects...

 
We should be clear that the CEO of NPR has no actual role in reporting news. Should Ruppert Murdoch's political views make him ineligible to be a CEO of a company that calls itself News Corp?
No, but how many times do people knock his media outlets because it's "Rupert Murdoch" who owns them?
 
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