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NBC LARGEST AUDIENCE LOSS SO FAR 2010-2011 SEASON

gregg75

gregg75

Remember a few months ago when Fox was at the bottom? Now, with the Super Bowl and
Idol on their side, NBC the home of "The Biggest Loser" is now really the biggest loser
(vs. 2009-2010 season).

from tvbythenumbers.com
http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/20...-last-season-typical-of-long-term-trend/85116

viewers adults 18-49 (all vs. '09-'10 season)
CW +8.6% +4.6%
UNI +3.9% +6.2
CBS -1.0% -8.1%
FOX -3.7% -5.8%
ABC -4.0% -9.7%
NBC -17.5% -15.5%
 
Where did NBC go wrong? Well, the Tonight Show in primetime was strike one. Then,
their new shows that bombed this year was strike two. Maybe it's time to pull out the
Dateline stings "To Catch A Predator" again.......but they're already running Dateline
two nights a week.

"I'll be right down in a jiffy. There's some milk and cookies on the kitchen counter I
made just for you."
 
Maybe NBC should actually make that joke from a "Family Guy" episode a reality and create an eighth day just so NBC should show "Dateline" on it.
 
This is still the Jeff Zucker era of programing for NBC. It will be interesting to see where NBC is at next year at this time when a fall lineup under comcast's control premieres.
 
johnnya2k6 said:
Robnoxious said:
searadiofreak said:
At this point, reruns of "Supertrain" might do better.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supertrain
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...and Quark and Manimal and Pink Lady & Jeff.
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Hey, don't forget the XFL!

Meanwhile, CBS is still holding up very well, even if Two And A Half Men is now Charlie Sheen-less.
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Technically, this isn't true until CBS gets tired of showing reruns.

For me, NBC is doing okay this season with their programming.

"Chuck" is one of my favorite shows, "The Event" keps me interested even though they took a long break, and "Community" and "30 Rock" are off-the-wall strange.

ABC is doing much better in getting me to watch, though, with "No Ordinary Family", "Desperate Housewives", "America's Funniest Home Videos" and the Wednesday comedies.
 
The only things I watch on NBC are NHL Hockey on Sundays (even if it is only one game per week and the only teams they show are BosWash centric) and an occasional NBC Nightly News.

That's about the same as Fox though where a local morning show gets partially viewed every weekday and an occasional NASCAR race gets TIVO'd.

ABC checks in with two, two, two complete hours of programming per week with AFV and Desperate Housewives each Sunday. Oh, and a half-hour of The Middle.

C(BS) still the winnah in my house where I'm good for Two and One-Half Men, BBT and Survivor but mama's got her TIVO goin' for about 10 hours. Last week was GREAT as Russel got the axe, the axe the axe! ;D
 
I like Parks & Rec and Community, but the ratings aren't very strong. I wonder if NBC will go back to airing mainstream laugh-track sitcoms that appeal to a greater audience, and for dramas, follow a typical drama show type. Basically emulate CBS.
 
johnnya2k6 said:
Robnoxious said:
searadiofreak said:
At this point, reruns of "Supertrain" might do better.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supertrain
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...and Quark and Manimal and Pink Lady & Jeff.
Click to expand...
Hey, don't forget the XFL!

Meanwhile, CBS is still holding up very well, even if Two And A Half Men is now Charlie Sheen-less.
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And let us not forget "Hello Larry", "The Waverly Wonders", and "B.J. and the Bear".

And we must not forget that even Tartikoff's era had some setbacks (i.e., the 1983-84 fall lineup) before it got back on top.
 
searadiofreak said:
For the week ending March 6th, NBC has no shows in the top 20. None. Top performer is Apprentice at #21. That is quite pathetic.
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They may be pathetic nationwide, but how well is the Nobody counts But the Coasts network doing in the Washington-to-Boston corridor, plus LA and SF? That's all NBC seems to care about anyway.
 
gregg75 said:
Where did NBC go wrong? Well, the Tonight Show in primetime was strike one. Then,
their new shows that bombed this year was strike two. Maybe it's time to pull out the
Dateline stings "To Catch A Predator" again.......but they're already running Dateline
two nights a week.

"I'll be right down in a jiffy. There's some milk and cookies on the kitchen counter I
made just for you."
Click to expand...

From an outside observation, NBC's problems are easy to pinpoint and easy to fix.
It comes down to basics. Compare what CBS has to NBC...

CBS has remained popular becuase they do not stray too far from tried and tested formula. If you compared the types of shows CBS aired during the 1970s to today, it would not look all that different. CBS had Police dramas, and multi-camera comedies. They even had 60 Minutes and Hawaii 5-0 in BOTH decades, and both are popular now.

Now, lets look at NBC...
Reality shows... dramedies... dramas. Their comedies are single camera, no laugh track.
There is not a lot of energy there. I don't get excited about watching the Office, a show that had it's day but has become stale. Same for 30 Rock, etc... They had 5 minutes of novelty, but in the long run, we've seen this one, wet get the gag.

When NBC did well, they had tested formula: Police dramas at the opposing ends of the weeks, multi-cameras mid-week, and mystery, crime or medical drama in the 10/9 Central time slot every night. Brandon Tartikoff got this, as does Less Moonves right now. Remember CHiPs? Knight Rider? The Cosby Show? The A Team? Facts of Life? Different Strokes? How about Friends? Seineld? ER? Hill Street Blues? St. Elswhere? L.A. Law?

The only areas where NBC does well is areas where they stick with formula: The Tonight Show, Today, NBC Nightly News, and SNL. Again, all shows that are tested, tried, and true. This is the same area where CBS has struggled, and for the same reason.

NBC should learn from this, and go back to tested formula. CBS has reality shows too. But your edgy, oddball stuff is not your core, and it isn't where you will get ratings, or sell your advertising.
 
Garrett said:
NBC should learn from this, and go back to tested formula. CBS has reality shows too.
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Yeah, and one of them (Amazing Race) was an Emmy winner for SEVEN YEARS IN A ROW...that is, until Top Chef ended that streak last year.

But don't worry; with the "Unfinished Business" season not to mention being finally in HD, The Amazing Race will get that Emmy back this year!
 
I watch the NBC Monday night line up: "Chuck", "The Event", and "Harry's Law". Sorry but I thought "30 Rock" was disgusting from the very beginning, but that's just my opinion. I never got into "Parks & Wreck" or "The Office".

Fox has some good shows: "Chicago Code", "House", "Bones", and "Fringe".

CBS doesn't have much for me, on ABC I'll occasionally watch "Castle" and "No Ordinary Family" but not on a regular basis.

I'm happy that we now have a "ME-TV" affiliate, I can see some of the old shows that I haven't seen in years. They have some great old Westerns and I keep wondering when some network will try a Western in prime time. Hey it would be different, it might just work.
 
Garrett said:
gregg75 said:
Where did NBC go wrong? Well, the Tonight Show in primetime was strike one. Then,
their new shows that bombed this year was strike two. Maybe it's time to pull out the
Dateline stings "To Catch A Predator" again.......but they're already running Dateline
two nights a week.

"I'll be right down in a jiffy. There's some milk and cookies on the kitchen counter I
made just for you."
Click to expand...

From an outside observation, NBC's problems are easy to pinpoint and easy to fix.
It comes down to basics. Compare what CBS has to NBC...

CBS has remained popular becuase they do not stray too far from tried and tested formula. If you compared the types of shows CBS aired during the 1970s to today, it would not look all that different. CBS had Police dramas, and multi-camera comedies. They even had 60 Minutes and Hawaii 5-0 in BOTH decades, and both are popular now.

Now, lets look at NBC...
Reality shows... dramedies... dramas. Their comedies are single camera, no laugh track.
There is not a lot of energy there. I don't get excited about watching the Office, a show that had it's day but has become stale. Same for 30 Rock, etc... They had 5 minutes of novelty, but in the long run, we've seen this one, wet get the gag.

When NBC did well, they had tested formula: Police dramas at the opposing ends of the weeks, multi-cameras mid-week, and mystery, crime or medical drama in the 10/9 Central time slot every night. Brandon Tartikoff got this, as does Less Moonves right now. Remember CHiPs? Knight Rider? The Cosby Show? The A Team? Facts of Life? Different Strokes? How about Friends? Seineld? ER? Hill Street Blues? St. Elswhere? L.A. Law?

The only areas where NBC does well is areas where they stick with formula: The Tonight Show, Today, NBC Nightly News, and SNL. Again, all shows that are tested, tried, and true. This is the same area where CBS has struggled, and for the same reason.

NBC should learn from this, and go back to tested formula. CBS has reality shows too. But your edgy, oddball stuff is not your core, and it isn't where you will get ratings, or sell your advertising.
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Sadly, you may be right - give the public the same old formula crap they've been watching for decades, and your ratings will improve. But if NBC does this, they'll lose me.

Personally, I prefer comedies like The Office and 30 Rock to the typical sitcom with its constant 'set-up-punchline-hysterical fake laughter' format. The Office was popular for quite a few years, and I do agree that it's stale now.

Remember that Seinfeld, and even Cosby were ground-breaking and inventive in their day.

My viewing habits consist primarily of the basic and premium cable dramas. Lately, I'm watching Justified, and Lights Out. Fairly Legal on USA is decent too. I'm looking forward to the return of Breaking Bad and Mad Men. On the traditional networks, I watch only those oddball comedies like 30 Rock, Parks and Recreation, and Modern Family on ABC. The Middle ain't bad. I recently checked out Matthew Perry's new sitcom - Mr. Sunshine. It's a more traditional sitcom, and I thought it was truly awful.

The only traditional network drama I watch regularly is The Good Wife. But mass market sitcoms and the endless parade of police procedurals do not cut it for me.
 
Lkeller said:
Garrett said:
gregg75 said:
Where did NBC go wrong? Well, the Tonight Show in primetime was strike one. Then,
their new shows that bombed this year was strike two. Maybe it's time to pull out the
Dateline stings "To Catch A Predator" again.......but they're already running Dateline
two nights a week.

"I'll be right down in a jiffy. There's some milk and cookies on the kitchen counter I
made just for you."
Click to expand...

From an outside observation, NBC's problems are easy to pinpoint and easy to fix.
It comes down to basics. Compare what CBS has to NBC...

CBS has remained popular becuase they do not stray too far from tried and tested formula. If you compared the types of shows CBS aired during the 1970s to today, it would not look all that different. CBS had Police dramas, and multi-camera comedies. They even had 60 Minutes and Hawaii 5-0 in BOTH decades, and both are popular now.

Now, lets look at NBC...
Reality shows... dramedies... dramas. Their comedies are single camera, no laugh track.
There is not a lot of energy there. I don't get excited about watching the Office, a show that had it's day but has become stale. Same for 30 Rock, etc... They had 5 minutes of novelty, but in the long run, we've seen this one, wet get the gag.

When NBC did well, they had tested formula: Police dramas at the opposing ends of the weeks, multi-cameras mid-week, and mystery, crime or medical drama in the 10/9 Central time slot every night. Brandon Tartikoff got this, as does Less Moonves right now. Remember CHiPs? Knight Rider? The Cosby Show? The A Team? Facts of Life? Different Strokes? How about Friends? Seineld? ER? Hill Street Blues? St. Elswhere? L.A. Law?

The only areas where NBC does well is areas where they stick with formula: The Tonight Show, Today, NBC Nightly News, and SNL. Again, all shows that are tested, tried, and true. This is the same area where CBS has struggled, and for the same reason.

NBC should learn from this, and go back to tested formula. CBS has reality shows too. But your edgy, oddball stuff is not your core, and it isn't where you will get ratings, or sell your advertising.
Click to expand...

Sadly, you may be right - give the public the same old formula crap they've been watching for decades, and your ratings will improve. But if NBC does this, they'll lose me.

Personally, I prefer comedies like The Office and 30 Rock to the typical sitcom with its constant 'set-up-punchline-hysterical fake laughter' format. The Office was popular for quite a few years, and I do agree that it's stale now.

Remember that Seinfeld, and even Cosby were ground-breaking and inventive in their day.
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Not so much, really. By that definition, any sitcom is ground breaking, as no two have exactly the same theme. That's why its called a situation comedy. Cosby was different because it was kids acting like kids. But that was hardly new, think "leave it to beaver."

They may lose you as a viewer, but you probably are not the typical viewer. It's all about masses, its all about what the consumer wants. Otherwise, we'd all be driving cars with fins, and watching black and white TVs next to our AM only radios.
That's my take, anyway.

Oh, and that logo? It's too quirky, too cute. Time for a redesigned Peacock
 
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