NE-YO DOES IT! (Beautiful Monster)

[theedger]

And a lot of country music too!

 

[Wildstyle K]

And KDM - if you you the word 'Techno' in any post outside of quotes you should have to put a dollar in the cup. People who use that word display their ignorance and lose all cred.

But what if I'm just trying to be like everyone else?

Oh, and as far as letting certain formats playing a certain song determine something, this is something I would not do because as you can see, dance radio does not include even half the sounds and styles that exist in dance music. Dance formats revolve mostly around anything with a house pattern beat style. Really, it should be called "CHR HOUSE" than CHR DANCE, the same way CHR ROCK is mainly rock, and the same principle as "hip hop stations" playing MOSTLY hip hop.
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Lastly, I don't get why people don't like to read, gain full detail and accurately get all info that's being presented. If the length of these posts are harassing, then I wonder what most of you do when you have to sign a lease or contract... or even vote? Not read it, sign it, then get upset and blame someone else when you find out there was something you don't like? Simple one liners or using half incomplete phrases only leads to inaccuracy, which often leads to more confusion and misinformation. Need proof? Look at the state of things in politics, economics, business (including RADIO!!) and human relationships today.

Doing this:

- "New dance song by Ne-yo"

- "that's not dance!'

- "yes it is"

- "no it's not"

- "yes it is because... (followed by ONE short incomplete example)"

- "well that doesn't mean anything"

- "dance is in the eye of the beholder"

- "well still no one said exactly why it is or isn't dance so you're all fools"

- "no you're a fool..."

..this would not get anyone anywhere. Sometimes, in debates, you must explain thoroughly and in full detail (especially in writing) to get a precise point across. If you argue, but don't explain thoroughly, then unless you're providing a solid answer, you might as well just not say anything because you're only bringing more questions / arguments rather than answers to the table (Ex. WHY did he say... WHAT does it mean...?? etc) You think the word "techno" alone shows ignorance? Then just say one thing that can be misunderstood, don't explain it, let it be taken out of context, and THEN see how ignorant people can make you look.   - Especially if it's recorded in writing. 90% of the problems people complain about in this world today are due to miscommunication... True or false?

 

[Wildstyle K]

By the way, "true or false" was rhetorical! It's not something you answer, it's something you just know. Judge Judy is on RIGHT NOW. She's making THOUSANDS of dollars and watching people lose years of friendships based on silly arguments that are way less trivial than "What is Ne-yo's Beautiful Monster". It's all miscommunication... "Well you should've said that before.... you're a liar because you didn't explain / say..." type stuff.

 

[Zorn21]

And a lot of country music too!

I hate to admit that but you are so right! I'm just glad it's not as "twangy" (if that's a word) as it used to be!

Z

 

[Wildstyle K]

This came in one of the latest Dance Radio promo packs, exactly as heard here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9nGOkKJs_Y

Now if any dance station or DJ plays this record as is in it's original form, but doesn't play the Ne-yo record, then.... I don't know what to say. I can't see how this J-Brazil record in it's original form, as it appears on the Dance Radio promo compilation, is more dance or dance radio material than even just Ne-yo's "closer" alone! ???

Ok - well I do admit J-Brazil's song surpasses Kylie Minogue's "Red Blooded Woman" in when it comes to how dance it is, and "red blooded woman" was highly accepted in dance, so I guess J-Brazil could be Dance Radio Promo material as well. Forget Ne-yo though. ;D

 

[theedger]

Kylie's "Red Blooded Woman" was not dance in its original form. Dance stations played remixed versions and some played the original because of who it was Kylie. We even played the original for a short while. We were also more pop at that time.

Keep in mind how 'dance' works in the promotional world... a label may ask a promoter 'who do you think will play this song?' and the promoter may say 'let's send it to dance radio first'. That doesn't mean it's actually good for dance, but that it may be the place where some people will bite on the song to create a story. We are serviced a lot of songs that are just plain bad and are not worth the time to press on CD. It's up to the programmer/dj to decide if a song is right for their station/dance floor. Some of the best songs in dance are the ones not promoted. It comes down to personal taste and direction. And before you flame me,... good/bad is subjective. There's a reason why no two stations/dj's sound the same - no matter how hard they try to copy (emulate).

 

[Wildstyle K]

some played the original because of who it was Kylie.

I was about to officially declare myself retired from keeping this post alive, but that quote above made me have to say one more thing

"I rest my case."

Well, to be more specific, the portion of the case where I say people like to let the artist determine what the entire song is (even to the point where they believe it determines the genre as well). So if it were Jenna Drey or someone else outside of the popular category doing this song instead of Ne-yo, then this entire debate conversation here would've never existed.

I'm glad I brought the song to attention here instead of CHR because I could imagine if I put it in CHR how people would be silently thinking in their minds "Ne-yo? Ok, and.........". This type of sound and knowing the fact that CHR is accepting it is something exciting to Dance fans. Not vice versa. This news and sound is not stimulating to CHR folks in any way. This is why I say CHR will not benefit from this post. There's absolutely 0% thrill to CHR folks in knowing that Ne-yo put out a song that sounds lie that... unless of course they like both CHR and dance, and if that's the case, they'll also come here to see it. Now lets say CHR was struggling and dance was thriving and Ne-yo was a dance artist who for once did a CHR song. Would anyone in the Dance section care if I shared the news? Not really. But if I put it in CHR, they'd be thrilled just to know the sound was embraced, period.

I retire now.

 

[JohnParker]

Keep in mind how 'dance' works in the promotional world... a label may ask a promoter 'who do you think will play this song?' and the promoter may say 'let's send it to dance radio first'. That doesn't mean it's actually good for dance, but that it may be the place where some people will bite on the song to create a story. We are serviced a lot of songs that are just plain bad and are not worth the time to press on CD. It's up to the programmer/dj to decide if a song is right for their station/dance floor. Some of the best songs in dance are the ones not promoted. It comes down to personal taste and direction. And before you flame me,... good/bad is subjective. There's a reason why no two stations/dj's sound the same - no matter how hard they try to copy (emulate).

There you go with that head in the clouds industy talk again. But what do we know.
jp

PS - What are you adding next week, I'd like to get a jump on playing them. Thanks.

 

[Wildstyle K]

(Still retired, but coming back to post as "volunteer work")

Darn it, I just realized something!
I said all this, yet I still forgot to do the one thing I was supposed to do - explain precisely why I put it in the dance section to begin with! I did mention a reason or two, but here are the two top main reasons:

1. Because I wanted dance fans specifically to hear / discover it, since I did bother to mention months ago that Ne-yo said he was going to do it.

2. Also to see which dance stations, if any, were considering it.

Those are the core reasons. I should've started out with this explanation to begin with!
As far as finding out if Dj Promo Edits of this song are available yet, I could easily look that up myself.

 

[theedger]

I think Pulse will add it based on what they're playing now. They have a lot of pop on the playlist. Ne-Yo would be a nice fit. Others will copy Pulse. I love how they have their entire music log posted on the website. Makes it easier to copy!

 

[nd2023]

I have not heard it yet on Pulse or any of the other dance stations I listen to regularly. But this afternoon while I was in my friend's car, this song came on Z100, a CHR in New York! And I know that she liked the song too. This is the first time I have ever heard a dance song first on a CHR station than on a dance station. I listen to the CHR stations maybe a maximum of a couple quarter hours a week, and I listen to dance stations 10-20 hours a week.

When I first heard the song, I didn't think it was Ne-Yo, in fact I thought it was Taio Cruz or someone else copying his style. Only when I checked yes.com later did I see that it was Beautiful Monster.

I really need to pay more attentions to the songs discussed on this Dance board...

 

[Wildstyle K]

Believe it or not I already got over my excitement for this song, although I still think the concept behind the choice of elements used within the instrumental production are amazing. I still turn it up and look forward to it on rhythmic mix shows or regular playlists because after what happened throughout most of the 00's, it just sounds refreshing by default just to hear anything that resembles electronica on CHR in any way. If it were not for the uptempo hits, my interest in rhythmic and rhythmic top 40 radio would drop probably about 59%. Back when I was into hip hop, this wouldn't have been the case. Luckily things did change because I surely was considering switching (back) to light rock, pop rock, and alternative when the dumb hip hop hits started taking over. We needed something new to save the day, and I'm glad it was the electronica sound. This was the change we needed, but we still have a ways to go.