Neal Boortz Comments

[Wildstyle K]

Re: Neal Boortz Comments .... 5 PAGES?

Ok, I've read the first page of this and decided to discontinue reading any further and just add a comment of my own.

I've learned something in life, and what I've learned is quite simple.
Many people love violence, thug mentality, disrupting peaceful living, unnecessarily creating problems, doing dumb things, absurd behaviors...etc. and the LAST thing on earth you want to do is say anything against it or preach common sense (unless you love being called a racist...etc. or causing more unnecessary problems for yourself or anyone associated with you).

Simple fact of life.

One main problem in this world is that people expect everyone else to think and see things identical to the way their own mind thinks. Unfortunately, it doesn't work this way. There are people who love / support / glorify violence and unnecessarily creating problems... amongst other types of absurdity, and then there are those who hate it. Each side will react / say what they feel - BASED ON THEIR OWN way of thinking, expecting that everyone elses thoughts should be identical to their beliefs because that's their reality. Then, somehow, it always becomes a mind-mystifying mystery why it always causes a bigger problem rather than a solution whenever people speak out based on what they believe. It's very simple, regardless of what side you're on. People do not want to hear, know, or be forced to see what they don't wish to believe, hear, or know. People (normally) also reject anything that goes against what supports the reasoning behind their actions, and there will always be backlash if you try to point things out to anyone who doesn't want to see what you're pointing out. Also, emotion is not logical. Therefore, you cannot logically talk to someone about, or preach common sense to someone who's in an emotional state of mind (especially if something you said triggered their emotional mind to set in) and expect them to hear and understand what you're saying (and one of the BIGGEST proofs that emotion isn't logical is every time you see a guy trying to LOGICALLY convince a woman who's not interested to "like him" for more than a friend, because he doesn't understand women are EMOTIONAL creatures and you cannot LOGICALLY convince a woman to emotionally feel attracted to you! - Same thing with Neal Boortz pushing EMOTIONAL buttons to LOGICALLY point something out to ALL of his listeners - it will never work! ..)

That's just the way it is. I don't see how this became five pages. As a matter of fact, this whole issue is easier for me to grasp & understand than the eternity it took for a rhythmic top 40 to be tried again since Power 99! To summarize, this is basically what happened right here: ** > Neal Boortz spoke out against violence / absurd behaviors in a "non-delicate" way, so duh! Of course he's automatically a spokes person to those who agree and automatically a racist (or whatever other name you can come up with) to those who either disagree or choose to feel offended for whatever personal reasons they have.. (He reports, YOU decide ) |

Of course, logically, it doesn't make sense to be against eliminating thugs, or decreasing unnecessary disruptions to society, but the moment Neal Boortz addressed it in the fashion in which he did, it became an EMOTIONAL issue; All logic is dismissed, and now it feels good to backlash and do what everybody does these days when they get emotionally upset or feel offended - SCREAM RACIST! Asking "how would you feel if you were a victim of a crime...??" also isn't effective because remember, YOU experienced it as a victim, but THEY probably haven't (or it wasn't as big as a deal to them if they did). Your emotion is based on your experience. Their emotion is still based (more) on feeling offended by Neal Boortz's words and taking it personally.

I don't believe it was a bright idea for Neal Boortz to say what he said the way he did, regardless of whether or not it's based on truth. But hey, if he's getting paid to piss people off by preaching common sense in a controversial way that he knows people will take out of context, AND it helps ratings, then... more power to him. I also can't expect him to think, talk, and act identically to the way I'd expect him to with a microphone - based purely on the way I think and how I would act (although, being that I am African American, I may be able to get away with saying more than he could on air, today).

 

[taylorengineer]

Re: Neal Boortz Comments .... 5 PAGES?

Ok, I've read the first page of this and decided to discontinue reading any further and just add a comment of my own.

I've learned something in life, and what I've learned is quite simple.
Many people love violence, thug mentality, disrupting peaceful living, unnecessarily creating problems, doing dumb things, absurd behaviors...etc. and the LAST thing on earth you want to do is say anything against it or preach common sense (unless you love being called a racist...etc. or causing more unnecessary problems for yourself or anyone associated with you).

Simple fact of life.

One main problem in this world is that people expect everyone else to think and see things identical to the way their own mind thinks. Unfortunately, it doesn't work this way. There are people who love / support / glorify violence and unnecessarily creating problems... amongst other types of absurdity, and then there are those who hate it. Each side will react / say what they feel - BASED ON THEIR OWN way of thinking, expecting that everyone elses thoughts should be identical to their beliefs because that's their reality. Then, somehow, it always becomes a mind-mystifying mystery why it always causes a bigger problem rather than a solution whenever people speak out based on what they believe. It's very simple, regardless of what side you're on. People do not want to hear, know, or be forced to see what they don't wish to believe, hear, or know. People (normally) also reject anything that goes against what supports the reasoning behind their actions, and there will always be backlash if you try to point things out to anyone who doesn't want to see what you're pointing out. Also, emotion is not logical. Therefore, you cannot logically talk to someone about, or preach common sense to someone who's in an emotional state of mind (especially if something you said triggered their emotional mind to set in) and expect them to hear and understand what you're saying (and one of the BIGGEST proofs that emotion isn't logical is every time you see a guy trying to LOGICALLY convince a woman who's not interested to "like him" for more than a friend, because he doesn't understand women are EMOTIONAL creatures and you cannot LOGICALLY convince a woman to emotionally feel attracted to you! - Same thing with Neal Boortz pushing EMOTIONAL buttons to LOGICALLY point something out to ALL of his listeners - it will never work! ..)

That's just the way it is. I don't see how this became five pages. As a matter of fact, this whole issue is easier for me to grasp & understand than the eternity it took for a rhythmic top 40 to be tried again since Power 99! To summarize, this is basically what happened right here: ** > Neal Boortz spoke out against violence / absurd behaviors in a "non-delicate" way, so duh! Of course he's automatically a spokes person to those who agree and automatically a racist (or whatever other name you can come up with) to those who either disagree or choose to feel offended for whatever personal reasons they have.. (He reports, YOU decide ) |

Of course, logically, it doesn't make sense to be against eliminating thugs, or decreasing unnecessary disruptions to society, but the moment Neal Boortz addressed it in the fashion in which he did, it became an EMOTIONAL issue; All logic is dismissed, and now it feels good to backlash and do what everybody does these days when they get emotionally upset or feel offended - SCREAM RACIST! Asking "how would you feel if you were a victim of a crime...??" also isn't effective because remember, YOU experienced it as a victim, but THEY probably haven't (or it wasn't as big as a deal to them if they did). Your emotion is based on your experience. Their emotion is still based (more) on feeling offended by Neal Boortz's words and taking it personally.

I don't believe it was a bright idea for Neal Boortz to say what he said the way he did, regardless of whether or not it's based on truth. But hey, if he's getting paid to piss people off by preaching common sense in a controversial way that he knows people will take out of context, AND it helps ratings, then... more power to him. I also can't expect him to think, talk, and act identically to the way I'd expect him to with a microphone - based purely on the way I think and how I would act (although, being that I am African American, I may be able to get away with saying more than he could on air, today).

Well said!

 

[Wildstyle K]

Ok, I swiftly skimmed over the 2nd page when the "yo" thing caught my attention;

Has boortz made some comments I don't agree with? Of course he has but this particular comment that media matters has picked up on is NOT a racist comment.

This particular comment, standing alone, not "coloring" it with comments he has made on other days, almost meets your claim that "it is NOT a racist comment." But the dagger-to-the-heart is when he throws "YO" right into the middle of it. The only way I can interpret that inclusion is that he wanted to make sure everyone understood WHICH urban thugs he was yelling and screaming about.

I still don't see how this can be guaranteed proof that this is against any particular race. After all, I have a caucasion friend who used to work at KNRJ and KAJM and he uses "yo" a lot! He started about 80% of his IM chats with that. As a matter of fact, has anyone heard Eminem's tracks? For example, Eminem "superman" (I believe there were a few or at least one station(s) in Atlanta that played that song at the time); Eminem says "yo" quite a bit. Actually, the first thing I think of when I hear "yo" is a "white dude rapping", and not a black dude. I believe "yo" is also an old school rap stereotype that these days is mainly used to be funny when a pre hip hop generation adult is trying to jokingly "sound street" while discussing hip hop or anything commonly associated with hip hop.

So, with that being said, I see "yo" as a bi-racial thing. It doesn't make me think "African American". Does anyone remember "Yo MTV Raps"?

By the way, I remember many reggaeton songs that said "yo" as well (and they were using "yo" as in english slang, not as in "yo no bailo con Juana")! Anyway, it's pretty apparent that I'll eventually end up reading pages 3-5, so... I guess I might be back , later. Right now, I'm about to get my sleep on, yo.

 

[Goat Rodeo Cowboy]

Ok, I swiftly skimmed over the 2nd page when the "yo" thing caught my attention;

Has boortz made some comments I don't agree with? Of course he has but this particular comment that media matters has picked up on is NOT a racist comment.

This particular comment, standing alone, not "coloring" it with comments he has made on other days, almost meets your claim that "it is NOT a racist comment." But the dagger-to-the-heart is when he throws "YO" right into the middle of it. The only way I can interpret that inclusion is that he wanted to make sure everyone understood WHICH urban thugs he was yelling and screaming about.

I still don't see how this can be guaranteed proof that this is against any particular race.

i think you are wise to fully question the circumstances and context.

But in this case, trust those of us who live in the Atlanta area, those of us who can hear the local hour that does not go out on the network feed, those of us who get to read his Saturday commentary column in the daily newspaper. In our cold, hard, and scabbed over minds, there is NO DOUBT what he meant when he said "Yo!"

And there are others who live in the Atlanta area who defend him to the end, who say "Amen!" to his every raw and rude pronouncement.

Freedom of speech is such a delightful little, but KEY INGREDIENT, in our American system.

 

[bigtime]

Yes, radio is about entertainment and attracting listeners, but I'd bet Boortz said what he truly believes. It applies to many cities, not just Atlanta. There is about 1% of the population tearing down many American cities. Ideally we could just ban them and send them to a place where they spend their time beating, robbing and killing each other. Since that's not likely, self defense seems to be the only other option, and often the only thing that works is a lethal defense.

 

[radiobum]

Boortz, the self proclaimed, "Mighty Whitey" was a speech writer for Governor Lester Maddox.

Are you waiting for him to say '******' on the air before you decide he's a racist?

Why does Limbaugh use funny voices when mentioning the Reverend Sharpton or Jackson? Why was Tom Daschele nicknamed "Puff Daschele"?

Are you waiting for him to say '******' on the air before you decide he's a racist?

 

[kilamanjero]

SMH, I find it so funny how people will justify how an inference is a fact coming for a dumbass like Neal Boortz. If you listen to anyone to validate your opinion about societal or political issues then there is a reason why the statement, "Most Americans are idiots incapable making critical decisions on their own" is more of a factual statement than an inference... :

Oh yeah, I'm an openly bisexual black man whom is politically independent that doesn't care about how any "side" feels about me because they usually screw me from all directions over as an individual.

 

[Wildstyle K]

I have no doubt that a high possibility exists that a certain (stereotypical) race was in the back of his mind that he was subtly trying to call out as he made the comments. However, the point I'm making is how quickly everyone is quick to assume it must be racial, choose to feel offended, and scream "racist", rather than choosing to change whatever behaviors they might be producing to feed the stereotype and make people think and believe those racial thoughts. I'm sure that if it were anyone who was caucasion making those exact same comments, there would still be just as much outrage about it - simply because of the fact that the person's skin color was... "non-pigmented".

It's been a while since I've said it, but I still strongly believe the following:
*If you don't like the stereotype, then stop doing the things that create the stereotype*

In other words, people cannot (well I guess they could, but it doesn't make sense to) knowingly do things that cause people to want to discriminate and think racist thoughts - then get mad when it happens. How many times do I see African Americans proudly admitting to and glorifying certain actions they know they are producing which cause people to view black Americans a certain way, but as soon as someone with "lighter skin" says the EXACT SAME THINGS, it becomes a HUGE problem? How many times do you turn on comedy shows and you know that if there is an African American comedian, there is an extremely high possibility that race is on his / her mind and there will be racial jokes made with the expectence that everyone should sit back and accept it, that we also all know would've been completely unacceptable if someone of another race said the precise same things?

That is just a brief summary of the type of actions and reverse racism African Americans tend to publicly produce (in addition to still continuing to feed the violence/crime stereotypes that exist). I know that all African Americans (or shall I say rather, "all of US") don't act this way, but the simple fact is if a majority of the percentage choose to feed the stereotypes AND teach their kids to act, think, and grow up the same way, then we ALL suffer. This is something we've all been taught in pre-school - one bad apple can ruin it for the rest of the group! Think about it this way; Ever since the terrorist attacks, people have been very wary of a certain group/religion/race of people in or around airports - because people know that based on past experiences, these were the people who were most likely to produce certain types of behaviors in the future. Of course, the people who were "targeted" and unfairly victimized / punished by the "racism" were unhappy, but the fact still remained that these people were targeted because they were the ones who were most likely to produce a behavior that would disrupt aviation and airport safety, and the only way for that stereotype to disappear would be if the actions creating the stereotype were stopped. This is like a cowboy continuing to wear a cowboy hat, then getting upset that the hat stereotype continues to exist.

So, with that being said, until the "thuggish behavior" that is well known (and even glorified) throughout the African American community is stopped, the stereotype will not cease to exist, and people who dislike it or feel threatened by it will continue to react and talk about it, regardless of how much reverse racism there is as an attempt to silence the critics. People may say that "everyone does bad things" as an attempt to justify everything, but you must admit that there is a certain demeanor and style amongst African Americans that "stands out" when it comes to "black crime". Have you ever heard the term (so and so) "acts black" or (So and so) "acts white"? That's people right there admitting that they know about and see the exact same demeanor I'm talking about here. Also, notice how when it comes to "acting a certain color", the glorification within the African American community towards "acting black" is always negative one... In addition to that, notice how MOST of this "acting a certain color" talk, or how racial thinking and talk, exists mainly within the African American community, period.

These are some of the actions that create the problem, today, in 2011. Seemingly, race is ALWAYS on the minds of anyone containing skin color these days, and I truly believe (as a local talk show host has said) that there are many more non-whites who are racist than there are whites who are racist, today. This needs to stop... The foolish behaviors and the feeding of the (unwanted) stereotypes need to stop, and one of the first prerequisites for beginning to put an end to this is discontinuing the use of the word "------" within the same group of people who claim to hate it and possess a natural disinclination to entertain it further.

It's one thing to be quick to call everyone who speaks out against certain things a racist, but it's another thing to be part of a group of people feeding stereotypes and producing behaviors that cause people to have racist thoughts then get upset and not understand why people are REACTING to the situation the way they are. Sitting down somewhere and saying "but everyone commits crime" to justify things also isn't going to change anything. Also notice the use of the word "TODAY". The reason I point that out is because we cannot forever just use past experiences (or anything that happened before we were born) as excuses and justification towards why we choose to act the way we do today, regardless of whatever race we / you may be. You also cannot choose to punish people today who had nothing to do with things that may have happened in the past..... but I will not get into that (although I know that this is what subconsciously exists in the minds of people who are quick to scream "racist").

Lastly, before any assumptions are made about where I get my views from and why, I do have to mention that most (probably around 96.7% ;D ) of my views are from my years of living in Atlanta and personally witnessing and observing many of the things and behaviors that were being produced within certain communities in comparison to other places. NONE of it has anything to do with where I live now, or whatever you may hear in the news about Arizona. These are all thoughts I've come to personally acknowledge and discover myself. No one "brainwashed" me into thinking in any particular way.

Just my thoughts. Notice a lot of truth in there as well...
Enjoy your first day of summer folks

 

[kilamanjero]

After reading all that, there is a slight problem. 99.9% of societal stigmas associated with blacks or any person of color is an individual issue and choice. There is nothing an individual can truly stop another individual from acting some type of way if said individual wants to be or act a certain way.

In more ways than one, generalizing any group is a convenient way to justify a prejudice. People are individuals, so at the end of day everything from racial bias to social foolishness to homophobia starts at home with how people rear and influence their own children.

 

[Wildstyle K]

That indeed is (part of) the problem. Until people choose to stop feeding a stereotype, the entire group has to suffer and deal with the consequences that much of the group has created. It happens in all areas of life. Sometimes all it takes is ONE thing to happen within any particular group, business, industry...etc. and BAM! THE ENTIRE ESTABLISHMENT / GROUP is frowned upon, and the stereotype never goes away until the actions that created the stereotype cease to exist first. Another thing to keep in mind is that the longer a stereotype is fed, the longer it will take for it to disappear - once the decision is made to put effort into creating change. As a matter of fact, I believe the President himself should've taken advantage of his opportunity to point this out and encourage change rather than somewhat feeding into it himself by admittedly choosing certain members of his party based on race and then making the comments he did to back up the decisions to do so...

It's an individual choice... However, if a lot of individuals within a group choose to do something, the outrage and anger from the rest of the people who suffer as a result shouldn't be against anyone who becomes "fed up" with the group, but towards the members of the group who are creating the problem that's causing the reaction. The same way effort is being put into pointing out how everything is racist and the majority of the people on tv, at a certain place of employment..etc. are white, effort should be put into encouraging dumb behaviors to stop and for people to get up and offer to show that they're willing to make a change in attitude and work with others to create more diversity (and not say "well I'll just make an all black channel or all black... whatever... etc. then wonder why nothing changed. I'm sure if . ..

Anyway, I must continue and explain what I mean in more depth later. I've got to head out now.

 

[Wildstyle K]

Ok, I'm back home, but now I've lost about 99% of the interest I had in finishing this earlier. :-[
I guess I'll get to pages 3 and 4 later.

 

[radio30]

There is nothing wrong with what Boortz said. At all. In this day and time of weenie political correctness, I commend the talk master for having the stones to tell the truth. In fact, I agree with about 95% of what he says on any subject. I'll go so far as to say I'd rather hear him than Limbaugh. As the opening of his show says "somebody's gotta say it" and he did. Nominate this man for president.

 

[kilamanjero]

There is nothing wrong with what Boortz said. At all. In this day and time of weenie political correctness, I commend the talk master for having the stones to tell the truth. In fact, I agree with about 95% of what he says on any subject. I'll go so far as to say I'd rather hear him than Limbaugh. As the opening of his show says "somebody's gotta say it" and he did. Nominate this man for president.

uh negative

 

[Goat Rodeo Cowboy]

There is nothing wrong with what Boortz said. At all. In this day and time of weenie political correctness, I commend the talk master for having the stones to tell the truth. In fact, I agree with about 95% of what he says on any subject. I'll go so far as to say I'd rather hear him than Limbaugh. As the opening of his show says "somebody's gotta say it" and he did. Nominate this man for president.

Most of us assume that most listeners know that Boortz is playing the role of some kind of Rodeo Clown when he goes on the air for entertainment purposes only. He annoys many of us more than he scares us.

On the other hand, if you honestly believe what you just posted, YOU scare the living hell out of me. No, nobody's gotta say it. Most people won't say it. He is free to say it. You are free to say it. But maybe the world is a poorer place for most of what he has said out loud, in public. Freedom is precious, but freedom is not always productive for mankind.

 

[trusty]

Freedom is precious, but freedom is not always productive for mankind.

You're opening a can of worms, GRC. Do you actually mean the USE of freedom is not always productive?

If you want to let your comment just "hang out there", you and Boortz have something in common. If not, please 'splain yourself.

 

[Goat Rodeo Cowboy]

I'm thinking of winos wandering the streets downtown. They have freedom. They "enjoy" freedom if you please. Are they productive? Productive for themselves; productive for their families; productive for our society?

I think of the crowd that loaded up in their VW microbuses and headed for the Ozarks or headed for Montana. They find a little please of land and become something kind to "squatters". They have freedom. The "enjoy" freedom if you please. Are they productive? Productive for themselves; productive for their families; productive for our society?

To borrow lyrics from Garrison Kiellor a week ago when he broadcast from Seattle and poked some fun at the lifestyle of the younger crowd enjoying traipsing through the woods and climbing mountains and camping and kayaking. His lyrics indicated they were enjoying freedom, they were "free to pee in the grass". Tell how that is productive for mankind. But we are a nation that says: "If that floats your boat, knock yourself out!!!!" Just don't get caught doing it in front of minors. Maybe it's not total freedom after all.

Simply being FREE as a stand alone value cannot by itself be equated with "productive". Freedom permits those who wish to be productive to do so. It also permits those who do not wish to be productive to spend their entire week peeing in the grass... not just their weekends like the young folks enjoying the outdoors in Seattle while creating software for us during the workweek.

Yeah. Boortz and I have a few things in common but he tries to not let it bother him too much. ;D

 

[XMportable]

Boortz must be a thug, because that was a very thuggish statement. Go get a GUN to handle your problems...Isn't that the same mentality that started those problems?? ;D

 

[Just Hank]

Boortz is Glenn Beck w/o the ambition. Or the messiah complex. He's got plenty of money, and he knows he can keep laughing his way to the bank as long as he stirs the pot every once in a while. It's a con that's been around for ages.

He's even gotten the AJC to pay him for a weekly column that's just a rehash of what he says on the air. Which goes a long way towards explaining why newspapers are a dying industry. But, hey, if the AJC was dumb enough to pay me for a bunch of recycled ramblings, I'd take the money too.

 

[holton]

Boortz must be a thug, because that was a very thuggish statement. Go get a GUN to handle your problems...Isn't that the same mentality that started those problems?? ;D

No.. those who agree are not going out to "get" a thug. Just looking out for themselves.

ps Don't have to go get one...

I can imagine this fellow wishes he could have turned this group away.

http://www.wistv.com/Global/story.asp?S=14965429

 

[SalBass]

The answer is no simpler than this:

Daddies, act like men and take care of your children. Don't leave them to face the world without you.