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Need help IDing a station

gar hi

gar hi

When I was out at the Gulf a little while back, I made some videos and two of them had station IDs, WSHO New Orleans and KTRH Houston.

Then there's this one of 1070 where I was hearing two stations. The louder religious station is from somewhere in Florida I think, and behind that is a talk station which could be KNTH from Houston but I'm not completely sure.

There's another talk station on 1070 WAPI from Birmingham, Al but there's more than 200 miles of land between that and the Gulf as it is and the Radio Locator map shows the fringe of their signal as being not enywhere even close to the gulf.

I was listening to this clip of 1070 again and maybe it's just because I'm expecting to hear something but around 8 to 9 seconds into this video, if you listen closely, the weaker talk station seems to say what may be a "KNTH". Again, I could be very wrong and I'm wondering if anyone else could give an opinion.

Even if it wasn't "KNTH" they said, I'm wondering if it still could be that station as it's the only talk station on 1070 with a saltwater path. The location is Dunedin on the west central coast of Florida.

Any thoughts?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGBMF2R6i0w
 
I think you just heard KNTH underneath that religiious station. I heard "KN..." (hard to hear the next 2 letters) just before "breaking news".
 
I can't make out anything from the second station in the 1070 audio clip.

You didn't say which religious station it was that you had on top, but I would expect that WNVY from the Pensacola area would be your best bet for the strongest signal on 1070, with practically an all-water path and 15000 watts. WFRF from Tallahassee should also be in the mix, and I would expect WKII from south of Tampa to be next. All three of these stations should be much much stronger than KNTH (or WAPI) assuming you had no skywave.

KNTH uses 11 towers, and significantly restricts their signal toward Florida. Not to mention their great distance.
 
The religious station, the stronger station, I would guess was the one from the panhandle.

The one from Solana, Florida is about 80 miles south and plays oldies. That's the only station I get here in Tampa on 1070 but with a very weak signal.

The mystery station I thought could be KNTH seemed to be a talk station because I listened to it for a while there and they didn't play any music and they were not a religious station.

That leaves the only two choices for a talk format to WAPI ot KNTH. According to their daytime signal pattern, KNTH sends a lot of it's signal to the SSE which isn't exactly in the direction of Florida but we're not in a null either.

If you look at a station lile WWKB 1520, for example, it wouldn't seem as though anyone to the west could hear their signal at night according to their pattern but many here have picked it up in the midwest at night.

As for the mystery station on 1070, if it's not KNTH it would have to be WAPI but but all that land it has to go on before hitting the gulf is quite a distance. I wonder if the person here who often goes to Pensacola Beach (is it Cyberdad?) has ever heard WAPI there during the day there. That would be a big clue.
 
Gar fla: Hello from Houston! Your underlying station is indeed 1070 KNTH-Houston. Nice catch, my friend. I am surprised you got it over there during the day. Should have had KCTA at 1030 with no problems either. Noticed Monday morning, and it may be from the effects of Hermine, that KCTA-Corpus Christi was exceptionally better than its usual self during the day. It's always there here in Houston but was enhanced throughout the day on Monday. That may have something to do with why you caught the 1070 signal there in Fla. 1700 KVNS-Brownsville was coming in nicely as well here in Houston.
 
We have 1070 The Fan here in Indianapolis, and I have heard it in the Carolina's, but yet I cant hear it here at night due to the directional pattern, even though the tower in just around 35 miles from here... The signal is directional SE at night, so its not too surpising that it made to the Atlantic Carolina coast at night,, though I highly doubt it was The Fan you heard, but one never knows. You may have picked up Los Angeles.
 
I was going to suggest KNX, but of course that would be almost impossible at night given your location, let alone daytime. But hey, wierder things have happened.
 
No possible way it was KNX. Not during the day.

I have gotten KNX at night from here in Tampa many times and have one video of my first catch which confirmes their ID.


purpledevil said:
Gar fla: Hello from Houston! Your underlying station is indeed 1070 KNTH-Houston. Nice catch, my friend. I am surprised you got it over there during the day. Should have had KCTA at 1030 with no problems either. Noticed Monday morning, and it may be from the effects of Hermine, that KCTA-Corpus Christi was exceptionally better than its usual self during the day. It's always there here in Houston but was enhanced throughout the day on Monday. That may have something to do with why you caught the 1070 signal there in Fla. 1700 KVNS-Brownsville was coming in nicely as well here in Houston.
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I'm hoping you're right that it was KNTH. Being that you're in Houston, was the voice you heard familiar?

I already finally confirmed 740 KTRH in another video I made the same day.

Speaking of KCTA, I'm almost completely certain I got that too from the same location. It's frustrating because I never hear any station ID on the religious station that's behind some stronger Spanish station.

Here's a video of 1030 from one of the previous times I was there.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsW21MVXM8Q
 
gar fla said:
No possible way it was KNX. Not during the day.

I have gotten KNX at night from here in Tampa many times and have one video of my first catch which confirmes their ID.
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That's good info; I wasn't sure you could get KNX that far east, even at night. Slightly off topic...what other west coast stations (Cali/Oregon/Washington) have you picked up out there?
 
Once and only once, I got KFI for a few minutes late at night on my little Sony walkman in January 2009. It was a pretty good signal too while it lasted with a couple IDs as well.

I didn't get that one on video, unfortunately and haven't heard them since even after listening to 640 so much at night with my bigger Sangean radio.

When I lived in south Jersey where I grew up, the same thing happened with KFI once and only once in the winter of 77-78 when they played top 40. It drifted in for a few minutes on my portable radio at the time and that was it.

KNBR should be able to heard here at night I would think but 680 here is jammed with so many stations it's hard to listen to just one and hear what they are saying. I also have to null out the local on 680 too.

Here's video of my first catch of KNX here in Tampa. It took a lot of listening to 1070 to be able to hear this and confirm it's actually them I was hearing. Once I knew it was them, I could tell it was a semi-regular.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLQtwfmnf78
 
Wow, that's amazing...I heard the '405' part very clearly. Sheesh, why can't I get any east coast stations out here? The best I ever did was WWL (many times), but that was from SoCal.
 
If it were 30 or more years ago when the frequencies weren't so crowded, you would have been able to get the east coast at night.

In the late 70s and early 80s, I was able to get 880 WCBS New York and 1210 WCAU Philadelphia very late at night from northern California but they were rare occurrences and just strong enough to ID.

WLS Chicago was a fairly strong regular there at night too.

Those days are gone.
 
gar fla said:
If it were 30 or more years ago when the frequencies weren't so crowded, you would have been able to get the east coast at night.

In the late 70s and early 80s, I was able to get 880 WCBS New York and 1210 WCAU Philadelphia very late at night from northern California but they were rare occurrences and just strong enough to ID.

WLS Chicago was a fairly strong regular there at night too.

Those days are gone.
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Yes WLS used to come in strong into California as late as the 80s for me.
In 1978 I even heard WLS, WBBM, & WWL in Hawaii.
Sadly those days are over.
 
OK, here's another frequency I wish I could ID.

I made another trip back to the Gulf today mainly because I was still curious to see what I could hear on 1700. I didn't think of checking that out on my last recent visit.

The last time I tried this, it was still late winter and I was getting a weak but listenable signal from WJCC in south Florida, so that probably was still a skywave even in the middle of the day and it was hard null that station out in order to see what else was on the frequency.

Also, I read in the WTFDA forums that cd637299 heard KVNS on the Louisiana coast in the daytime, a 600 mile catch and that also inspired me to see if even a trace of their signal could make it the extra 300 miles.

So I listened 1700 again today around 1:15 pm and there was just a barely audible signal of something which was probably WJCC and most likely just a groundwave. It wasn't strong enough for me to hear any exact words.

However, when I put the loop near the radio and faced the radio and loop due west (the direction of Brownsville), I could hear a fluttering sound which can happen when two weak signals are on the same frequency. There's nothing strong enough to hear the words but it almost sounds like two barely audible stations at the same time. If that's the case, I wonder if I could have been hearing what little is left of KVNS if it made the 900 mile path across the gulf.

As we know, stations at the upper end of the dial won't have the good surface coverage as do the lower ones but there have been reports of good midday reception in the Galveston area and as I said, CD's 600 mile daytime catch at the Louisiana coast 600 miles away. Whatever this is, I would hardly call it any official catch because there's no ID but here's what I got.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjDPHQl6owY

I'm wondering what your opinions are on this.
 
I've tried many times but what I get here at night on 740 is a fairly strong WYGM from Orlando with KTRH Houston behind it.

There's also a very weak station often in the background that isn't nearly strong enough to ID.

I'd like to think it could be KCBS but it will never be nearly strong enough to confirm. Their directional pattern may not favor this area.

I've spent many a night listening hard to hear San Francisco stations such as KCBS and KNBR but no such luck as what I've had with the LA station KNX and the one and only time I heard KFI.
 
gar fla said:
I'm hoping you're right that it was KNTH. Being that you're in Houston, was the voice you heard familiar?

I already finally confirmed 740 KTRH in another video I made the same day.

Speaking of KCTA, I'm almost completely certain I got that too from the same location. It's frustrating because I never hear any station ID on the religious station that's behind some stronger Spanish station.

Here's a video of 1030 from one of the previous times I was there.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsW21MVXM8Q
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That's how I knew it was KNTH. The voice you heard underneath is unmistakably the voiceover guy for 1070. KCTA's ID typically is around :53-:55 of the hour.
 
Wow, thanks!

I guess I can call that an official catch?


And I'm still wondering what I was hearing on 1700.

I only get that fluttering sound on 1700 there at the Gulf which can be due to co-channel interference of two weak signals.

Inland well away from the Gulf, I can hear the barely audible trace of WJCC but that fluttering sound isn't there.
 
My apologies for being a little late to this movie....

My guess is that the religious 1070 that the OP is talking about is WNVY from suburban Pensacola..
 
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