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gr8oldies said:
WLWI,now WTHR was ABC until about 1977 or 78 swapping NBC with WRTV.
...someone else will have to fill in the details, but I distinctly recall a situation in Milwaukee circa '86 or '87 where a couple of NBC game shows were rejected by both primary affiliate WTMJ-TV/4 and secondary affiliate WVTV/18, leading NBC to place them on an LPTV in nearby Waukesha for that market...
Ultimajock said:
I lived in Rockford during that time, and I do remember WTMJ and WITI being preemption-happy as far as the network schedule, both weekdays and Saturday mornings.
I pulled up 'TMJ's weekday program schedule from '86-87 via the Wayback Machine:
6:30am NBC News at Sunrise
7am The Today Show
9am Family Ties (reruns go into syndication the following fall)
9:30 Sale of the Century
10am daytime Wheel of Fortune
10:30 Scrabble (I believe it was normally seen a hour later across the network)
11am Oprah Winfrey (preempts Super Password and Wordplay)
12pm Days of our Lives
1pm Another World
2pm Santa Barbara
3pm Jeopardy!
3:30 Quincy, M.E.
4:30 The People's Court
5pm News 4 Milwaukee
5:30 NBC Nightly News
6pm News 4 Milwaukee
6:30 nighttime Wheel of Fortune
7pm NBC Primetime
10pm News 4 Milwaukee
10:30 Magnum, P.I. (Carson's on WVTV during this time)
11:30 Late Night with David Letterman
12:30am $1,000,000 Chance of a Lifetime
1am Crook & Chase
1:30 Strike It Rich
2am The Big Valley
3am News 4 Milwaukee 10pm encore
3:30 CNN Headline News
According to my Gulf Coast TV Guides from June of 1986, WKRG did not clear Press Your Luck at 3 pm. Instead they showed reruns of Dallas. WTVY in Dothan did clear Press Your Luck, so viewers in the Fort Walton Beach/Destin side of the market could see the show since they got both CBS stations.
WWL showed Tic Tac Dough at 3 pm in 1986, so viewers in the Biloxi/Gulfport area which also received two CBS stations were also out of luck. However, WWL unlike WKRG did clear the 9 am network hour of $25,000 Pyramid/ Card Sharks.
As for WMC in Memphis, it was actually a little later that they started preempting a good portion of the NBC daytime schedule. In 1979/80, they cleared all except the 9 am hour. In 1981, they didn't clear 9 am or the hour long soap, Texas. In 1982, they cleared Texas, but not the hour long game show Fantasy. They did air Wheel of Fortune at 2:30 (delayed from 9:30).
By 1988, instead of the NBC game shows they were airing talk shows from 9 am to 10 am and airing Santa Barbara at 11 am instead of 2 pm. This was a bad move for Santa Barbara because in 1992 WMC cancelled it because it was getting a 7 share going up against Young & The Restless which had a 56 share in Memphis. They replaced it with the dreadful Jane Whitney talk show which meant WMC aired Donahue at 9, Sally at 10 and Jane at 11 not to mention Oprah at 3.
WWL showed Tic Tac Dough at 3 pm in 1986, so viewers in the Biloxi/Gulfport area which also received two CBS stations were also out of luck. However, WWL unlike WKRG did clear the 9 am network hour of $25,000 Pyramid/ Card Sharks.
As for WMC in Memphis, it was actually a little later that they started preempting a good portion of the NBC daytime schedule. In 1979/80, they cleared all except the 9 am hour. In 1981, they didn't clear 9 am or the hour long soap, Texas. In 1982, they cleared Texas, but not the hour long game show Fantasy. They did air Wheel of Fortune at 2:30 (delayed from 9:30).
By 1988, instead of the NBC game shows they were airing talk shows from 9 am to 10 am and airing Santa Barbara at 11 am instead of 2 pm. This was a bad move for Santa Barbara because in 1992 WMC cancelled it because it was getting a 7 share going up against Young & The Restless which had a 56 share in Memphis. They replaced it with the dreadful Jane Whitney talk show which meant WMC aired Donahue at 9, Sally at 10 and Jane at 11 not to mention Oprah at 3.
WVUE in New Orleans didn't show General Hospital, One Life To Live or All My Children for most of the 1970s.
WSB-TV Atlanta, then an NBC affiliate, did not carry "Jeopardy!",
"Who, What Or Where", or "Three On A Match", nor did it carry
any other NBC gameshows airing between 12 and 2 in the 1970s.
When WXIA got the NBC affiliation, it pre-empted the network's
noon games as well. WAGA never carried CBS's games between
10 and 11 AM after 1977.
Someone mentioned the CBS version of "Joker's Wild" being
pre-empted on WTVT and handed off to the ABC affiliate in
Sarasota; WTVT also did not carry any 4 PM CBS games.
One of the more notorious examples of gameshow pre-emption
was "Press Your Luck" on Charlotte's WBTV. When that show
aired at 10:30 AM, WBTV carried "Price Is Right" on a day-behind,
followed by its local "Top O' The Day" from 11:30-12:30. Only
those in range of WFMY Greensboro or WSPA Spartanburg could
see "PYL."
"Who, What Or Where", or "Three On A Match", nor did it carry
any other NBC gameshows airing between 12 and 2 in the 1970s.
When WXIA got the NBC affiliation, it pre-empted the network's
noon games as well. WAGA never carried CBS's games between
10 and 11 AM after 1977.
Someone mentioned the CBS version of "Joker's Wild" being
pre-empted on WTVT and handed off to the ABC affiliate in
Sarasota; WTVT also did not carry any 4 PM CBS games.
One of the more notorious examples of gameshow pre-emption
was "Press Your Luck" on Charlotte's WBTV. When that show
aired at 10:30 AM, WBTV carried "Price Is Right" on a day-behind,
followed by its local "Top O' The Day" from 11:30-12:30. Only
those in range of WFMY Greensboro or WSPA Spartanburg could
see "PYL."
Often times stations carry LOCAL shows rather than network IF the local station does NOT receive network compensation - or they have a few LOCAL sponsors who will pay MORE than the network compensation.
Also, you'd be surprised how much a station can get for a stripped per-inquiry or religion program.
They are only network soaps or game shows, anyway. Who cares??
Also, you'd be surprised how much a station can get for a stripped per-inquiry or religion program.
They are only network soaps or game shows, anyway. Who cares??
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jwgreek8606
Guest
I think WKRG actually cleared The $25k Pyramid, PYL, and TPIR for a while. However, I know that WKMG never cleared Pyramid or Card Sharks. Or PYL. They aired Hour Magazine instead.
WXIA never cleared $otc, or Super Password,
WAGA cleared Card Sharks they never aired Pyramid. They aired Sally Jesse Raphael instead.
WXIA never cleared $otc, or Super Password,
WAGA cleared Card Sharks they never aired Pyramid. They aired Sally Jesse Raphael instead.
bpatrick said:
Didn't those end up on WTCG/17, leading them to declare on local billboards that they were Atlanta's new NBC affiliate?
Was there ever a CBS affiliate other than KXTV in Sacramento that pre-empted The Price is Right?
M.J. ,the 3 NBC Game show bumped in Atlanta did go to WTCG-17, and Turner's billboard said "The NBC Network has moved to Channel 17". They were two toher NBC shows that they took, but I do not know which ones.
About TPIR, WEYI-TV 25 Flint, which is now an NBC station, did not air TPIR for a time in the 1970's instead carrying the show that it replaced on Labor Day 1972: reruns of The Beverly Hillbillies and TPIR fans had to aim their antennas or get cable to watch TPIR on WJIM-TV (now WLNS-TV) Lansing or WJBK-Tv Detroit (now a Fox O&O). TPIR would return to 25 after the show's move to 11 am in 1979.
Also, when CBS moved Match Game '77 to 4pm after being beaten at 11 am by Wheel on NBC, WJIM did not air the show opting to air The Flintstones, instead but WKZO-TV (now WWMT-TV) Kalamazoo cleared it and all CBS games.
WAGA Atlanta did not air MG starting in 1976 or so going instead for other shows like I Dream of Jeannie which later blinked to WTCG-17. WATL would later pick up the show in 1978 after NBC axed The Gong Show which 36 aired on a tape delay. This was about the time Richard Dawson was about to leave MG.
About TPIR, WEYI-TV 25 Flint, which is now an NBC station, did not air TPIR for a time in the 1970's instead carrying the show that it replaced on Labor Day 1972: reruns of The Beverly Hillbillies and TPIR fans had to aim their antennas or get cable to watch TPIR on WJIM-TV (now WLNS-TV) Lansing or WJBK-Tv Detroit (now a Fox O&O). TPIR would return to 25 after the show's move to 11 am in 1979.
Also, when CBS moved Match Game '77 to 4pm after being beaten at 11 am by Wheel on NBC, WJIM did not air the show opting to air The Flintstones, instead but WKZO-TV (now WWMT-TV) Kalamazoo cleared it and all CBS games.
WAGA Atlanta did not air MG starting in 1976 or so going instead for other shows like I Dream of Jeannie which later blinked to WTCG-17. WATL would later pick up the show in 1978 after NBC axed The Gong Show which 36 aired on a tape delay. This was about the time Richard Dawson was about to leave MG.
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cd637299
Guest
As a game show freak as a child in the 60s, nobody could out-preempt WCKT 7 Miami. I had to watch fuzzy ch 5 in West Palm Beach to see some of these. I even wrote a letter to 7 (maybe I was about 8 years old), and I shoulda been amazed that they even responded to a kid. IIRC the letter must have mentioned 7's profitability.
Not that it was my fave, but can you imagine never running the NBC run of "Let's Make a Deal" outside of the primetime run? That was WCKT, who opted for Virginia Graham's "Girl Talk" in the 1:30 slot. When LMAD moved to ABC, ch 10 (who I am sure did some pre-empting of its own) did run it.
I loved "Eye Guess," and was glad that at least ch 5 had it.
Maybe I am overreacting....but at least the shows at 10 am & 12:30pm were taboo on 7. When "Girl Talk" ended, they ran NBC at 1:30. Oh BTW they week-delayed the 60s Match Game at 1pm.
Though not as much as today as WSVN, WCKT was committed to daily midday news. At least they ran Jeopardy! w/ Fleming in realtime. They almost bumped the noontime "Jackpot!" when they grabbed Phil Donahue, but amazingly they ran it. (I may have made a phone call to them about it....but I doubt my call made the difference.)
The then-indie WCIX 6 came to the 12:30 rescue for "Who, What or Where" & "Blank Check."
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Not that it was my fave, but can you imagine never running the NBC run of "Let's Make a Deal" outside of the primetime run? That was WCKT, who opted for Virginia Graham's "Girl Talk" in the 1:30 slot. When LMAD moved to ABC, ch 10 (who I am sure did some pre-empting of its own) did run it.
I loved "Eye Guess," and was glad that at least ch 5 had it.
Maybe I am overreacting....but at least the shows at 10 am & 12:30pm were taboo on 7. When "Girl Talk" ended, they ran NBC at 1:30. Oh BTW they week-delayed the 60s Match Game at 1pm.
Though not as much as today as WSVN, WCKT was committed to daily midday news. At least they ran Jeopardy! w/ Fleming in realtime. They almost bumped the noontime "Jackpot!" when they grabbed Phil Donahue, but amazingly they ran it. (I may have made a phone call to them about it....but I doubt my call made the difference.)
The then-indie WCIX 6 came to the 12:30 rescue for "Who, What or Where" & "Blank Check."
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I recall that in 1991 when I first visited Atlanta, WSB didn't carry "Match Game 90." It aired instead on WUPA-69 (Then WVEU), which carried it and the John Davidson season of "$100,000 Pyramid."
Having grown up, I believe the Evansville, Indiana stations all carried their respective network gameshows more-or-less in pattern during the 1980s. The lone exception may have been WFIE-14, which carried "Donahue" during the 9am hour for much of the late-70s and early-80s and eventually pre-empted "Super Password" for their "Midday" newscast perhaps in the last season of that show. However, I recall them carrying NBC's "Generations" and some Faith Daniels-hosted news/talk program prior to their newscast.
Additionally I know that for years WEHT-25, then the CBS affiliate, carried the CBS Morning (News, Show, whatever they happened to be calling it) at 6am followed by Captain Kangaroo at 7am (and later the 2nd hour of the the CBS Morning program). After that was their locally produced children's show "Peggy Mitchell" at 8am followed by the CBS afternoon gameshow (Body Language is one I recall and there may have been others). Later the 8am hour was home first to Sally Jesse Raphael and then the early season or two of "Jerry Springer" (back when he was still taping in Cincinnati).
Having grown up, I believe the Evansville, Indiana stations all carried their respective network gameshows more-or-less in pattern during the 1980s. The lone exception may have been WFIE-14, which carried "Donahue" during the 9am hour for much of the late-70s and early-80s and eventually pre-empted "Super Password" for their "Midday" newscast perhaps in the last season of that show. However, I recall them carrying NBC's "Generations" and some Faith Daniels-hosted news/talk program prior to their newscast.
Additionally I know that for years WEHT-25, then the CBS affiliate, carried the CBS Morning (News, Show, whatever they happened to be calling it) at 6am followed by Captain Kangaroo at 7am (and later the 2nd hour of the the CBS Morning program). After that was their locally produced children's show "Peggy Mitchell" at 8am followed by the CBS afternoon gameshow (Body Language is one I recall and there may have been others). Later the 8am hour was home first to Sally Jesse Raphael and then the early season or two of "Jerry Springer" (back when he was still taping in Cincinnati).
BobbyNBC10 said:
Many people in Bay City and Midland could also tune in to WWTV from Cadillac, either over the air or on Gerity Cable (full time in Midland, though only as a "back-up" for locally-prteempted shows in Bay City) -- I recalled WWTV carrying TPIR as well.
BobbyNBC10 said:
WEYI also did not carry Match Game after the move, also due to Flintstones (I think).
Tim-In-Houston said:
More or less the same thing in Rockford, where I spent part of my childhood before my family and I eventually moved to Los Angeles in the late '80s. WIFR, as I recall, clear the entire network daytime schedule (with the 11am time slot filled by either Tic-Tac-Dough [until '86], the Home Shopping Club game show ['86-87], and High Rollers ['87-88]), as WREX bumped off ABC at noon for news (but eventually added All My Children on a day delay at 9am by '87), and WTVO eliminating an hour of NBC daytime for a talk show at 9 or 11am, depending on the year (usually either Hour Magazine or Phil Donahue; the latter moved to 4pm in '87). WTVO was the more preemption-happy of the three, with eliminating the final hour of NBC's Saturday morning lineup as well as not picking-up one of the weekend editions of the NBC Nightly News. Even back when WQRF as was an indie, they never (as I recall) picked up any network program dropped from the network stations.
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Mario500
Guest
M.J. said:
After "The Price is Right" moved from 9:00 AM to 9:30 AM Central time, WKRG-TV stopped carrying the program and began airing "The Phil Donahue Show" at 9:00 AM, followed by the syndicated version of "The Joker's Wild" at 10:00 AM, and "Love of Life" at 10:30 AM. By August 1979, "The Price is Right" was back on WKRG-TV's schedule after the program recently moved to its regular time of 10:00 AM Central time.
Thank you for providing me this information, briancraig.
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