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Network Game Shows Uncleared by Affiliates

^ A station would pretty much have to be a network O&O to run the schedule right, but like I said before, even *that* didn't stop NBC O&O WTVJ in 1989, cough Super Password cough.

cd
 
Like that in Charleston too. We did not have an independent until 1985. If something was preempted on one of the local big 3, there was no place to put it.
 
For a lot of years that it was an NBC affiliate, WBZ-4 here in Boston didn't clear several NBC daytime game shows.

For instance (and this still hurts almost 39 years later!), my all-time favorite NBC game show, the original "Jackpot!", was never cleared by WBZ.

Thankfully, WJAR-10 in Providence, did carry it, but at 1 P.M. ET (an hour after some east Coast stations got the show). During my senior year of high-school, I actually on some days got home from school (given a ride) at 1:15, so I could watch half of the show!
 
...interestingly, nobody's yet brought up the short-lived KCIT/50 Kansas City on this thread; David P. Johnson's fanpage for the station says that, during KCIT's short lifespan (October 1969 to July 1971) there were several NBC daytime shows that WDAF-TV/4 passed on, of which the games Letters to Laugh-In and Lohman & Barkley's Name Droppers wound up airing on KCIT instead. It Takes Two was apparently also scheduled by KCIT but they never actually ran the thing (CBS fed reruns of The Lucy Show at the same time, 9:00 AM Central, and KCIT tape-delayed those reruns, so it's possible that KCIT didn't have a second VTR to record the NBC feed at the same time). Neither WDAF or KCIT ran Snap Judgment during that same stretch. Apparently, the other indie in Kansas City, KBMA/41, ran the CBS airings of The Joker's Wild that KCMO-TV/5 pre-empted...
 
In Birmingham, the local ABC at the time WBRC and WVTM NBC station would either delay the daytime shows by a day or wouldn't even bother to carry them at all.  They had Donanue and local news on their minds at that time.  WBMG (Now WIAT) was the exception to that rule.  They carried all the daytime network shows, at their right time and that particular day's edition too.  They were a low rated UHF station, during this time and was trying to stay afloat.

In Montgomery, the local TV stations did carry all the daytime network programs.  One exception was WSFA airing local news at noon and delaying the start of Days till 12:30 P.M. 

Good Old WAKA (Formerly WSLA) was not known for preempting the network daytime programming.  They usually carried them, at their right time.  One exception was back in the late 70s.  For about a year, they would air The PTL Club (Insert Your ??? Here) at 10 A.M.  Price was aired at 3 P.M. during that year but then returned to its original time slot, following that experiment.

To anotherguy and Memphis readers, I did notice that WMC wasn't carrying all the NBC daytime shows, during the 80s.  Had a relative living there, during that time and she would share a copy of the local newspaper with me and discovered this.  I wondered why WMC would preempt many of those shows and as I was reading through this post, I discovered why.

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In the heyday of the 80s game show explosion, most of the TV stations in my market would follow this pattern:

6 A.M. National News and Talk Show
8 A.M. Syndicated talk show
9 A.M. till 3 P.M. Network programming.

Birmingham and Mobile was like this:

6 A.M. Local News
7 A.M. National News and Talk Show (Delayed by one hour)
9 A.M. Syndicated Talk Show
10 A.M. till 3 P.M. Network Programming (Delayed by a day in Birmingham on WBRC and WVTM)

Every TV station I kept up with back then, would always sneak in at least one syndicated talk show at 8 A.M. or 9 A.M.  Some would carry more than one. This is when Oprah first got started.  After a spell these stations moved her to the afternoon and restored those shows they dropped for her new program.
 
Ultimajock said:
... the other indie in Kansas City, KBMA/41, ran the CBS airings of The Joker's Wild that KCMO-TV/5 pre-empted...

In Tampa Bay, Sarasota ABC-affiliate WXLT (WWSB) ran CBS's "The Jokers Wild" on a half-hour delay from 1972 to 1975, when it was bumped by WTVT by the last 30 minutes of Mike Douglas.
 
It wasn't always like that in Birmingham. From the time Ch. 13
became fulltime NBC and Ch. 42 fulltime CBS (1970) until I moved
to Tampa (1973) only one game show aired on delay in the Magic City:
"The Dating Game" on WBRC, which was pre-empted at 1:30 (CT) by
reruns of "I Dream Of Jeannie" and which aired the next day at 9:30 AM.

From 1972 on, which I remember most clearly, we got:

WBRC/6 (ABC) 9:30 Dating Game (delay)
11 AM Password
11:30 Split Second
12:30 Let's Make A Deal
1 PM Newlywed Game

WAPI/13 (NBC) 9:30 Concentration (replaced by "Baffle" on 3/26/73)
10 AM Sale Of The Century
10:30 Hollywood Squares
11 AM Jeopardy!
11:30 Who, What Or Where
12:30 Three On A Match

WBMG/42 (CBS) 9 AM Joker's Wild (beginning 9/4/72)
9:30 Price Is Right (beginning 9/4/72, replaced by "$10,000
Pyramid" on 3/26/73)
10 AM Gambit (beginning 9/4/72)
2 PM Price Is Right (beginning 3/26/73)
2:30 Hollywood's Talking (beginning 3/26/73, replaced by
"Match Game" on 7/2/73, two days after I moved to Tampa)

In Tampa, not only did WTVT pre-empt "Joker's Wild," it also pre-empted "Tattletales" whenever
it aired at 4 PM. Interestingly we did get one game show that was subject to pre-emption on the
East Coast: "The Money Maze," which aired in pattern on WLCY (WTSP)/10 at 4 PM from December
1974 to July 1975. WFLA/8 (NBC), which had pre-empted NBC's 10 AM show for years, began airing
"Dinah's Place" in September 1973, and aired "Name That Tune" when it replaced Dinah in 1974. All
the other NBC games aired in pattern in the Bay Area in 1973-76. When I moved to Tampa in the
summer of 1973 the game-show picture (as compared to Birmingham) looked like this:

WFLA/8 (NBC) 10:30 Baffle
11 AM Wizard Of Odds (Alex Trebek's first U.S. game show)
11:30 Hollywood Squares
12 N Jeopardy! (Art Fleming)
12:30 Who, What Or Where
1:30 Three On A Match

WLCY/10 (ABC) 12 N Password
12:30 Split Second
1:30 Let's Make A Deal
2 PM Newlywed Game
2:30 The Girl In My Life (technically a reality show rather than
a game show)

WTVT/13 (CBS) 10:30 $10,000 Pyramid (as noted, "Joker's Wild" aired at 10:30 on
Sarasota's Ch. 40)
11 AM Gambit
3 PM Price Is Right
3:30 Match Game '73

Orlando also tended to be pre-emption prone. WESH/2 (NBC) ran local news instead
of "Who, What Or Where"; WFTV/9 (ABC) aired "Password" on a day-behind at 11 AM
so it could run local news at noon; it also pre-empted "Money Maze"; WDBO/WKMG/6
(CBS) pre-empted "Tattletales" at 4 and also pre-empted "Now You See It" at 11 AM
in favor of "What's My Line?".
 
Like the above post, WTVJ 4 Miami, in its last full year as a non-O&O CBS affiliate, ran "$25,000 Pyramid" at 10 AM, but bumped the 10:30 show (I think it was the "Card Sharks" revival with Bob Eubanks), to air what had to be one of the worst game shows ever, a TV version of "Yahtzee" with Peter Marshall. Then it was back to CBS for "Price is Right."

"Press Your Luck" was not shown here during its CBS run, but, WSVN (still NBC I think) ran the reruns for syndication. WSVN also ran "Tattletales" which I think was a syndie run.

cd
 
Don't know if this has been mentioned, but in Pittsburgh, WTAE had an on-again off-again relationship with The Dating Game during its ABC daytime run.
 
Since the Great TV Affiliation Shake-Ups Of 1994 And 1995, most "big three" affiliates have cleared their network's complete daytime schedule, and usually in pattern.

But not always: Some CBS affiliates, including WBZ-4 in Boston, run the new "Let's Make A Deal" with Wayne Brady at 10 A.M. EST/EDT; while some other East Coast CBS stations air it at 3 P.M. EST/EDT. I suspect CBS may actually feed the show twice in the Eastern time zone, with affiliates given the option as to which feed to take.

Likewise, WBZ did this with "Guiding Light" during the final years of that show's long run.
 
Joseph_Gallant said:
I suspect CBS may actually feed the show twice in the Eastern time zone, with affiliates given the option as to which feed to take.

Likewise, WBZ did this with "Guiding Light" during the final years of that show's long run.

You are right - CBS does feed the show twice. Where I live, in Harrisburg, WHP 21 carries it at 10am. I believe they were originally going to carry the show at 3pm (WHP had been choosing the 3pm CBS feed up to that point) with the then-new show "The Doctors" at 10am, but they had a last-minute change of heart. NYC, Philly, Scranton, Baltimore, Washington, and Pittsburgh all carry the show at 10am as well. AFAIK, the only CBS station I can think of that carries it at 3 is WTAJ out of Altoona.
 
EJM said:
cd637299 said:
WSVN also ran "Tattletales" which I think was a syndie run.

I don't remember Tattletales airing in off-net syndication, but a quick search suggests that it did. Other stations that may (repeat, may) have carried it in this manner include Boston's WCVB, Harrisburg's WHTM, and Norfolk's WVEC.

Tattletales had a once a week syndicated nighttime version during the 1977-78 season. WOWT 6, then Omaha's CBS affiliate, aired it Saturday nights at 6:30 p.m.
 
I believe the WSVN Tattletales was a Mon-Fri run.....apparently reruns of the weekday show. They did that with PYL.

cd
 
EJM said:
I don't remember Tattletales airing in off-net syndication, but a quick search suggests that it did. Other stations that may (repeat, may) have carried it in this manner include Boston's WCVB, Harrisburg's WHTM, and Norfolk's WVEC.

I'll vouch for WHTM - per my Fall Preview issue from '84, they aired it at 10:30 a.m. weekdays. They are an ABC station, so nothing was pre-empted.
 
I thought I saw on WTAJ's website that they had moved "Let's Make A
Deal" to 10 AM, leaving WSEE Erie as the only CBS affiliate in Pennsylvania
that still carries it at 3.

CBS does three feeds: 9 AM, 10 AM, and 3 PM (ET); offhand the only station
in the Eastern time zone I can think of that airs it at 9 is WTKR Norfolk. I've
estimated that about 50 stations carry "LMAD" in the morning, as opposed to
15 that carried "GL" at 10 AM. And those morning stations actually do better
with "Deal" than those that carry it in the afternoons. I'm really surprised that
more stations don't carry "Deal" in the morning, since it's compatible with "The
Price Is Right," which follows on most of those stations. ("Guiding Light," like
most soaps, wasn't really suited to the morning, especially when I consider that
"Love Of Life" is the only soap that had a respectable run in the morning (11:30 AM
in the East), lasting there from 1969 to 1979.)

I do know that every CBS affiliate in the I-95 corridor (Boston to Richmond) carries
"Deal" in the morning; likewise every CBS o&o except San Francisco, Minneapolis, and
Denver does the same thing. Likewise, Virginia is like Pennsylvania; only one station,
WDBJ Roanoke, carries it at 3, yet every CBS affiliate in North Carolina carries it at 3,
and the only people in the Tar Heel state that see "Deal" in the morning are those in
range of Norfolk or Florence, SC.
 
Yeah, Charleston has aired LMAD at 3 since it began. I was looking at previous schedules, and this area did have a lot of preemptions.

WCIV (Channel 4, then NBC) never cleared NBC's 10am programs from 1983-89. They didn't clear Sale of the Century, maybe not for its entire run. For example, in 86-87, WCIV preempted Sale and the 10:30am show with Hollywood Squares and Love Connection.

They preempted it in 88-89, its last season, with a rerun of Family Ties.

For a while, they preempted the game shows for the 700 Club. They also preempted Dream House for much of its run to air CNN News back when it still aired on regular channels.

They also preempted Super Password's first season to run Sally Jesse Raphael.
 
Growing up in Portland, Oregon, the CBS station will the king of uncleared shows until now.  In the 1970s and early 1980s, KOIN-TV didn't air "The Price is Right."  They aired "Donahue" at 9am and then a local show at 10am.   When the local show was dropped in the early 1980s, KOIN aired reruns of "The Jeffersons" and "One Day at the Time" (CBS daytime) over "TPIR."  I think KOIN either brought back or started airing "TRIP" around 1982.   I don't know if KOIN first aired "TRIP" when it returned to TV in 1972 and then dropped it shortly after, but I was born in 1979.

Then, KOIN didn't aired "Search for Tomorrow" in the '70s as well.  Portland one-powerful independent station KPTV (now a FOX station) cleared the show.  KOIN did air the show in their last few years on CBS until moving to NBC in 1982.  

When "Search for Tomorrow" moved to NBC, KOIN didn't not clear CBS' new soap opera "Capitol" in 1982.  This was probably a good move for KOIN because they expanded their Noon newscast to an hour.  It was only Noon newscast a few years later in the Portland market.  Plus, it was a highly rated newscast.  However, it would take many years for KOIN to clear "Bold and the Beautiful."   KOIN did air "Bold" briefly in the Fall of 1989, but it aired at 3pm. When Emmis brought KOIN-TV from Lee Enterprises in 2000, "Bold and the Beautiful" was finally aired in Portland.  I am not a big soap opera guy, but that was the only uncleared show that bothered me because it that time "Bold" was the second-highest rated soap opera in the country.  Now, KOIN airs all of the CBS shows, but airs "Let's Make a Deal" at 9am.  

As for KATU, the ABC station in Portland, they have been the most loyal to the ABC network.  I can't speak before 1979, but they have aired majority of their daytime shows.  They even aired the final seasons of "The Edge of Night" when many ABC stations dropped it completely in the 1980s.   However, they aired "All My Children" at 3pm for many years until recently.  KATU aired News or syndicated programming at Noon in the 1980s.

As for KGW, the NBC station, it was a mixed bag.  They did air most the the NBC daytime shows, expect for "The Doctors" and "Texas" in the early 1980s.  I don't remember those show anyway.   KGW did air movies at 2pm in 1980.  I think "Texas" did air on KGW in 1981 when they dropped daytime movies completely from their schedule.  Then, KGW didn't air the first hour of NBC daytime programming in the Fall of 1982 because of local/regional programming.  Plus, KGW aired syndicated programming at 11:30am in the early 1980s.  I do remember KGW airing syndicated shows like "Newlywed Game," "Tic Tac Dough" and "Anything for Money" at 11:30am, but I don't recall dropping NBC programming during the mid 1980s.   They did air "Super Password," "Wheel of Fortune," and "Sale of the Century."

In 1987, KGW did not air the NBC version of "Win, Lose or Draw" because the daytime version aired on KATU at 7pm.  KGW aired their own local game show called "On the Spot."  
 
In my area, from sometime in the early '70s until 1980, WGAL aired its noon news (known then as "Noonday on 8") at 12:30. This meant any NBC offering that aired at 12:30 never aired in this area. When "America Alive!" was on in 1978, WGAL aired the first half hour, from 12-12:30, and then aired their news. In 1980, when "Another World" was scaled back from 90 to 60 minutes (moving from 2:30-4:00 to 2:00-3:00), which resulted in "The Doctors" moving from 2:00 to 12:30, WGAL moved "Noonday" from 12:30 to 12:00 to make room for "the Doctors". This move signaled the end of "Card Sharks" (which moved from 10:00 to 12:00) on WGAL, and every subsequent show after that aired at noon. So, no "Password Plus" (once it moved to noon), "The Doctors" (once it moved to noon), "Go!", or "Super Password".

WHP (CBS) was pretty faithful at airing the CBS lineup in pattern until the early '90s when it started airing talk shows from 10am-11am. However, WLYH (another CBS affiliate in the area) did air the CBS 10am-11am offerings. Also, when WHP stopped having a noon newscast in the early '90s, they started airing the CBS "Family Feud" at noon. When the show expanded to an hour and became "Family Feud Challenge", WHP aired the last half hour of it at noon.

WHTM (ABC) was also very faithful at airing the ABC lineup in pattern up until about the late '80s. Starting in the fall of 1988, they aired "Family Medical Center" at noon instead of "Ryan's Hope" (which was on its last legs anyway and would be gone in January 1989). They aired the new version of "Match Game" at noon from its July 1990 premiere until September, when they opted for "Trump Card" instead. When TC tanked, they replaced it in January with reruns of "People's Court". That June, for the last month of its run, WHTM went back to airing "Match Game" at noon and carried the complete 90 minute run of "Home" when it expanded from 60 to 90.
 
Been a while - but I'll add some.

KPIX 5 in San Francisco did not clear The Price is Right for YEARS, deciding to put Group W's "People Are Talking" in the TPiR slot. That ended around the mid 1990s.

KCPQ took loads of CBS and NBC game shows in Seattle. In 1982, they were running Wheel of Fortune (from NBC) and Tattletales (CBS). Later in the '80s they took Card Sharks and $25,000 Pyramid from CBS/KIRO which ran syndicated talk and off-network drama reruns in the 9am hour. Also, KIRO 7 NEVER, ever ran the Ray Combs' Family Feud from CBS - all of the daytime run, including the "Family Feud Challenge" around 1992 - aired on KCPQ 13 at 9AM. IIRC, KCPQ also took "Classic Concentration" from KING for a while.

Around 1975, KSTW 11 in Tacoma/Seattle also took some CBS game shows. At 9AM they offered "The Joker's Wild" preempted from KIRO, as well as Gambit.

-crainbebo
 
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